Pakistan will become another North Korea if it doesn't stop nuclear blackmail: US

[war&peace]

Sorry for a bit of reality dose here. Pakistan cannot do anything militarily. People need to wake up and stop living in a child's fantasy world. What Pakistan CAN do is to walk away from any or all US assistance for good and that will set a tone where even if Pakistan cannot respond militarily, it will have a moral yet effective victory. I know that even as I say this, some foreign policy mandarins and economic advisors are trying to figure a way out to keep the funding life-line alive. This is how pragmatically bey-sharam our policy makers are. On the surface it is about khuddari, but internally, their economic planning is so short-sighted that they cannot think outside of the box.

The balance of payment is akin to judgement day for these idiots! They get paralysis just thinking about it.

The solution is that the Pakistani parliament needs to pass a bill prohibiting government from taking assistance from the United States. They have to make it illegal for any government to get into this kind of situation. I don't care if the US side comes offering grants, just walk away. This is essential if Pakistan is to survive as an independent country. The military and the civilian government are ALL guilty for the situation that Pakistan finds itself in.

The pathetic case of "we have suffered 50,000 dead" makes no sense. The US side would not care if we lose 500,000 dead given their own selfish interests in the region. Pakistan has to be just as ruthlessly selfish but it cannot for as long as Pakistan is beholden to them for aid. This is a country of 210 million people which is considered "food secure" by the United Nations. This means that if economic management and taxation are handled properly, there is NO reason for Pakistan to turn to the US or any of the international monetary funds. The problem is that both the civvies and khakis have becomes accustomed to easy money and shiny new toys respectively.

In all honesty, our air defence posture will not get denuded if F-16s and US equipment are not acquired. Train harder and use less sophisticated hardware while we struggle and strive to get better equipment developed locally or with collaboration from China and Turkey. Hardware alone does not win wars and when it is a matter of national interests and prestige, let go of the hang-ups and nostalgia about what Pak-US relations were.

There should be a national campaign in Pakistan making the citizens realize what not paying taxes is doing to the reputation of Pakistan. Our immature qaum has the habit of getting jazbaati over this issue of bheek/khairaat etc., yet no one talks about the national responsibility for the beghairat industrialists and the landlords to pay their taxes.

Other nations, in far tougher situations, have survived with their dignity intact. If these good for nothing leaders (civil and military) cannot come together despite having a massive Chinese investment in the country and shatter this cursed kashkol for good, Pakistan deserves all the ignominy that is piled on it. As a Pakistani, I myself cannot offer any sympathy to such a beghairat government polity or nation!

Someone needs to make our government realize that as a nation, we should be proud of our poverty if it allows us to live with dignity. Maybe a slightly jazbaati rant, but this is doable.

If the above is not acceptable, then take all the aid AND do the bidding of the master. The choice is quite simple!

100% agreed. Some people can't live without that aid, some people can't live without US arms, some people can't live without F-16s (whether they will get it or not is another question), some people can't live without US visa, US education....and unfortunately these are the people who virtually controlling our country while the rest of the 95% people are indifferent since that aid never reaches them...not even the peanuts.

 

[jamal18]

Guys, the road to war with Pakistan continues. It's been in the planning stage for a while, now it begins.

 

[Dalit]

Sorry for a bit of reality dose here. Pakistan cannot do anything militarily. People need to wake up and stop living in a child's fantasy world. What Pakistan CAN do is to walk away from any or all US assistance for good and that will set a tone where even if Pakistan cannot respond militarily, it will have a moral yet effective victory. I know that even as I say this, some foreign policy mandarins and economic advisors are trying to figure a way out to keep the funding life-line alive. This is how pragmatically bey-sharam our policy makers are. On the surface it is about khuddari, but internally, their economic planning is so short-sighted that they cannot think outside of the box.

The balance of payment is akin to judgement day for these idiots! They get paralysis just thinking about it.

The solution is that the Pakistani parliament needs to pass a bill prohibiting government from taking assistance from the United States. They have to make it illegal for any government to get into this kind of situation. I don't care if the US side comes offering grants, just walk away. This is essential if Pakistan is to survive as an independent country. The military and the civilian government are ALL guilty for the situation that Pakistan finds itself in.

The pathetic case of "we have suffered 50,000 dead" makes no sense. The US side would not care if we lose 500,000 dead given their own selfish interests in the region. Pakistan has to be just as ruthlessly selfish but it cannot for as long as Pakistan is beholden to them for aid. This is a country of 210 million people which is considered "food secure" by the United Nations. This means that if economic management and taxation are handled properly, there is NO reason for Pakistan to turn to the US or any of the international monetary funds. The problem is that both the civvies and khakis have becomes accustomed to easy money and shiny new toys respectively.

In all honesty, our air defence posture will not get denuded if F-16s and US equipment are not acquired. Train harder and use less sophisticated hardware while we struggle and strive to get better equipment developed locally or with collaboration from China and Turkey. Hardware alone does not win wars and when it is a matter of national interests and prestige, let go of the hang-ups and nostalgia about what Pak-US relations were.

There should be a national campaign in Pakistan making the citizens realize what not paying taxes is doing to the reputation of Pakistan. Our immature qaum has the habit of getting jazbaati over this issue of bheek/khairaat etc., yet no one talks about the national responsibility for the beghairat industrialists and the landlords to pay their taxes.

Other nations, in far tougher situations, have survived with their dignity intact. If these good for nothing leaders (civil and military) cannot come together despite having a massive Chinese investment in the country and shatter this cursed kashkol for good, Pakistan deserves all the ignominy that is piled on it. As a Pakistani, I myself cannot offer any sympathy to such a beghairat government polity or nation!

Someone needs to make our government realize that as a nation, we should be proud of our poverty if it allows us to live with dignity. Maybe a slightly jazbaati rant, but this is doable.

If the above is not acceptable, then take all the aid AND do the bidding of the master. The choice is quite simple!

I have posted similar sentiments quite recently. I concur word for word. We already identified the dubious US role in this debacle. The US deserves full scrutiny. The US role is based on deceit, exploitation and hypocrisy to say the least. The US has from the outset based its relationship with Pakistan on a master slave paradigm. The problem is that we have happily obliged and embraced this suicidal contract.

Turning to Pakistan, we have a huge credibility problem and as you rightly point out, the rot starts from the very bottom all the way to the top. Pakistan is very far from being not complicit in this incredible tale of self-immolation. Both the civilian rulers and the establishment are responsible for the economic and political malaise from the very beginning. The policies are flatly flawed and self-centered. The put it bluntly, the policies are designed for self-enrichment. The ruling class in Pakistan is extremely biased and corrupt. Worse, the moral decay has for decades trickled down to the masses. The people are as guilty as their civilian and military leaders.There is no desire for self-criticism and course correction. In fact, this notion is non-existent and that is a worrying prospect. There is a constant clash between peoples who seek course correction and those who are part of the status quo.

Collectively as a nation, we have become accustomed to surviving on economic handouts. Our military mostly utilises external funds for defence expenditure and acquisition. Our civilian government falls in the same bracket. The liberal elite seeks to continue the path of self-destruction. It is simply put easy money and we are addicted. The bottom line is, we lack basic principles such as moral decency and self-esteem.

There is a clear reason why the civilian government is reluctant to outrightly reject US warmongering. There has been a subdued response from the political elite which continues to repeat the victim mentality mantra. Fact remains that Pakistan has never ever shown the intent of changing its role as a US aid recipient. Even our current protest is based on convincing the US to change its rhetoric in order to continue the inflow of bribe money.

Pakistan is hijacked by elitism and all of its associated tendencies. This internal tug of war between good and bad will continue. I don't expect the elite to change their behavior. We will continue to witness cosmetic opposition to US warmongering. Beneath the surface, the reality is quite different.

Pakistan can achieve a great deal by transforming its economic prospect. We are like a sick patient denying ailment. We are in a state of refusal to accept our shortcomings. One immediate measure would be to, as you rightly point out, increase i.e. widen the tax base. Who is going to take such measures? A government which is part of the problem? Another measure is austerity coupled with effecient explotation of resources at disposal. This sounds nice and doable on paper, but we lack the motivation and sincerity to reach the goals. We simply lack the right people for the right job.

As long as Trump is in power, Pakistan will be tested. This is a reality which cannot be ignored. Time has come to mend our ways. If we fail to mend our ways, the penalty is unimaginable. CPEC has served as a miracle, but we must do more for our own good. Collectively, we know what is required. Time dictates we face the reality and embrace it wholeheartedly.

 

[SecularNationalist]

I think we are ok to dump a system where 30 Trillion dollar in debt country, is presented as more richer

We can do ok with our Agricultural commodities

NORMAL WORLD :
Guy 1 : I have 30,000 USD loan
Guy 2 : I have 1 USD loan

Anyone can see , Guy 2 is more financially secure


TWISTED WORLD:
USA-----: 30,000,000,000,000 USD debt
Pakistan: ------80,000,000,000 USD debt

However comical requirements, 1 USD is equal to 100 Rupees ..........

However, based on the debt figures 80,000,000,000 : 30,000,000,000,000
1 Rupee should be equal to $375 Dollar

We have a potential and this country has everything .We have poor management,corruption and nepotism unfortunately.

 

[batmannow]

US National Security General H R McMaster has said that Pakistan uses terror as state policy and goes after terrorists 'very selectively' and if the country tries its nuclear capability as a lever to blackmail others, it would end up as another North Korea.


McMaster, a former US Army General, was speaking on US President Donald Trump's New Year Day tweet on Pakistan in a Voice of America interview.


He said that the tweet speaks for itself where Trump blamed Pakistan for being a lying and deceitful country in spite of receiving huge US aid and helping those very terrorists the US hunts in the Afghanistan and pledged 'no more US aid to Pakistan'.


McMaster said Pakistan's double-dealings have frustrated Donald Trump and America. He said by very selectively going after terror groups, hitting some while choosing others as an arm of its foreign policy, Pakistan has not only betrayed the values America hoped would make for a great partnership, but also its own people.


"What's frustrating at times is we see Pakistan operating against the interests of its own people by going after these groups only selectively, by providing safe havens and support bases for Taliban and Haqqani network leadership that operate out of Pakistan as they perpetuate hell in portions of Pakistan and in Afghanistan," he said.


"America has great sympathy for the Pakistani people and in particular, how much they've suffered at the hands of terrorists who have victimized so many Pakistanis with mass murders, with that horrible mass murder in a school a few years ago," McMaster says in the interview and emphasizes that for its own sake, the Pakistani government must go after these groups less selectively.


Putting the Trump tweet in a clear perspective, his NSA says this is not a blame game but an effort to communicate clearly to Pakistan that the US relationship can no longer bear the weight of contradictions, and that we have to really begin now to work together to stabilize Afghanistan, emphasizing that doing so would hugely benefit Pakistan.


PAKISTAN WOULDN'T WANT TO BECOME A PARIAH STATE


McMaster warns if Pakistan doesn't want to become a pariah state, it will have to stop going after terror groups only selectively, and will have to stop providing safe havens and support bases and other forms of support for leadership.


On asking if any other country may step in to aid Pakistan in case the US pulls out, McMaster says he doesn't think any country including China would like Pakistan to continue its support for terror groups like the Taliban or the Haqqani Network.


China may be Pakistan's all-weather friend and has defended Pakistan in the wake of Trump tweet but it has a terrorist problem on its southern border that does have connections back into Pakistan, "It's not going to be any other country in the region, certainly, who will want Pakistan to continue this, really, pattern of behaviour that we've seen, where it goes after these groups only selectively, while it sustains and supports others who act as an arm of its foreign policy."


NUCLEAR BLACKMAIL WILL MAKE PAKISTAN ANOTHER NORTH KOREA


On the possibility of Pakistan using its nuclear capability as a leveraging tool, or to extort or blackmail, something that North Korea is doing, McMaster says he doesn't think so, "It would just be unwise for any Pakistani leader - I can't imagine a Pakistani leader using nuclear weapons to extort or for blackmail. That's the day when Pakistan would become North Korea."


He puts a very vital question before the Pakistani leadership, "Does Pakistan want to become North Korea? Doesn't look too appealing a model to me. So, I think Pakistan could be on a path to increase security and prosperity, or it could be on a path to replicating North Korea. I think that's an easy choice for Pakistani leaders."

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...esnt-stop-nuclear-blackmail-us/1/1124110.html

if pakistan uses terror , then USA uses invasions , attacks day n night bombings from its modern airforce all around the world ?

 

[mingle]

When pak did nuclear blackmailing???

 

[thesolar65]

So who is gonna Kim Jong of Pakistan? Any Dear Leader for Pakistanis??
And ask him to get his Anti-aircraft guns ready.