Pakistan will become another North Korea if it doesn't stop nuclear blackmail: US

[Trango Towers]

India is the founding fathers of NAM , we make our own path, don't compare our superior geo politics to yours where you were either the proxy of U.S. or the puppets of the Chinese.

Call me when you are simultaneously the closest allies to Iran & Israel .


senior member ...hmm

Ahhh you worried about senior members. Why not worry about your media and it's tamasha

 

[Sully3]

Ahhh you worried about senior members. Why not worry about your media and it's tamasha

keep reporting @NukeAcola to the mods nothing but a cheap bollywood troll

 

[blain2]

Sorry for a bit of reality dose here. Pakistan cannot do anything militarily. People need to wake up and stop living in a child's fantasy world. What Pakistan CAN do is to walk away from any or all US assistance for good and that will set a tone where even if Pakistan cannot respond militarily, it will have a moral yet effective victory. I know that even as I say this, some foreign policy mandarins and economic advisors are trying to figure a way out to keep the funding life-line alive. This is how pragmatically bey-sharam our policy makers are. On the surface it is about khuddari, but internally, their economic planning is so short-sighted that they cannot think outside of the box.

The balance of payment is akin to judgement day for these idiots! They get paralysis just thinking about it.

The solution is that the Pakistani parliament needs to pass a bill prohibiting government from taking assistance from the United States. They have to make it illegal for any government to get into this kind of situation. I don't care if the US side comes offering grants, just walk away. This is essential if Pakistan is to survive as an independent country. The military and the civilian government are ALL guilty for the situation that Pakistan finds itself in.

The pathetic case of "we have suffered 50,000 dead" makes no sense. The US side would not care if we lose 500,000 dead given their own selfish interests in the region. Pakistan has to be just as ruthlessly selfish but it cannot for as long as Pakistan is beholden to them for aid. This is a country of 210 million people which is considered "food secure" by the United Nations. This means that if economic management and taxation are handled properly, there is NO reason for Pakistan to turn to the US or any of the international monetary funds. The problem is that both the civvies and khakis have becomes accustomed to easy money and shiny new toys respectively.

In all honesty, our air defence posture will not get denuded if F-16s and US equipment are not acquired. Train harder and use less sophisticated hardware while we struggle and strive to get better equipment developed locally or with collaboration from China and Turkey. Hardware alone does not win wars and when it is a matter of national interests and prestige, let go of the hang-ups and nostalgia about what Pak-US relations were.

There should be a national campaign in Pakistan making the citizens realize what not paying taxes is doing to the reputation of Pakistan. Our immature qaum has the habit of getting jazbaati over this issue of bheek/khairaat etc., yet no one talks about the national responsibility for the beghairat industrialists and the landlords to pay their taxes.

Other nations, in far tougher situations, have survived with their dignity intact. If these good for nothing leaders (civil and military) cannot come together despite having a massive Chinese investment in the country and shatter this cursed kashkol for good, Pakistan deserves all the ignominy that is piled on it. As a Pakistani, I myself cannot offer any sympathy to such a beghairat government polity or nation!

Someone needs to make our government realize that as a nation, we should be proud of our poverty if it allows us to live with dignity. Maybe a slightly jazbaati rant, but this is doable.

If the above is not acceptable, then take all the aid AND do the bidding of the master. The choice is quite simple!

 

[Sully3]

Sorry for a bit of reality dose here. Pakistan cannot do anything militarily. People need to wake up and stop living in a child's fantasy world. What Pakistan CAN do is to walk away from any or all US assistance for good and that will set a tone where even if Pakistan cannot respond militarily, it will have a moral yet effective victory. I know that even as I say this, some foreign policy mandarins and economic advisors are trying to figure a way out to keep the funding life-line alive. This is how pragmatically bey-sharam our policy makers are. On the surface it is about khuddari, but internally, their economic planning is so short-sighted that they cannot think outside of the box.

The balance of payment is akin to judgement day for these idiots! They get paralysis just thinking about it.

The solution is that the Pakistani parliament needs to pass a bill prohibiting government from taking assistance from the United States. They have to make it illegal for any government to get into this kind of situation. I don't care if the US side comes offering grants, just walk away. This is essential if Pakistan is to survive as an independent country. The military and the civilian government are ALL guilty for the situation that Pakistan finds itself in.

The pathetic case of "we have suffered 50,000 dead" makes no sense. The US side would not care if we lose 500,000 dead given their own selfish interests in the region. Pakistan has to be just as ruthlessly selfish but it cannot for as long as Pakistan is beholden to them for aid. This is a country of 210 million people which is considered "food secure" by the United Nations. This means that if economic management and taxation are handled properly, there is NO reason for Pakistan to turn to the US or any of the international monetary funds. The problem is that both the civvies and khakis have becomes accustomed to easy money and shiny new toys respectively.

In all honesty, our air defence posture will not get denuded if F-16s and US equipment are not acquired. Train harder and use less sophisticated hardware while we struggle and strive to get better equipment developed locally or with collaboration from China and Turkey. Hardware alone does not win wars and when it is a matter of national interests and prestige, let go of the hang-ups and nostalgia about what Pak-US relations were.

There should be a national campaign in Pakistan making the citizens realize what not paying taxes is doing to the reputation of Pakistan. Our immature qaum has the habit of getting jazbaati over this issue of bheek/khairaat etc., yet no one talks about the national responsibility for the beghairat industrialists and the landlords to pay their taxes.

Other nations, in far tougher situations, have survived with their dignity intact. If these good for nothing leaders (civil and military) cannot come together despite having a massive Chinese investment in the country and shatter this cursed kashkol for good, Pakistan deserves all the ignominy that is piled on it. As a Pakistani, I myself cannot offer any sympathy to such a beghairat government polity or nation!

Im sorry but a pakistani and chinese joint Naval and Air base planned in jiwani is a big enough counter measure for any military options America is thinking.

they won't dare attack Pakistan if they knew Chinese armed forces are operating there. Plus when you add turkey and russia into the mix military option against Pakistan became a no no.

 

[blain2]

Im sorry but a pakistani and chinese joint Naval and Air base planned in jiwani is a big enough counter measure for any military options America is thinking.

they won't dare attack Pakistan if they knew Chinese armed forces are operating there. Plus when you add turkey and russia into the mix military option against Pakistan became a no no.

You are worried about the tactical. Think strategically. Americans are not coming in all guns blazing. There are very many tools at their disposal given our weak kneed leadership's mentality that they cannot survive economically without this assistance.

If Pakistan is firm on its interests, we may have to suffer militarily as well without being able to do a whole lot in response, but that would be a cost that the country would have to bear.

 

[Max]

Yanks are low on options, their officials have started to comment on ifs and buts,

Pakistan never threatened anyone with nukes, what this idiot is blabbering about?

 

[PDF]

Sorry for a bit of reality dose here. Pakistan cannot do anything militarily. People need to wake up and stop living in a child's fantasy world. What Pakistan CAN do is to walk away from any or all US assistance for good and that will set a tone where even if Pakistan cannot respond militarily, it will have a moral yet effective victory. I know that even as I say this, some foreign policy mandarins and economic advisors are trying to figure a way out to keep the funding life-line alive. This is how pragmatically bey-sharam our policy makers are. On the surface it is about khuddari, but internally, their economic planning is so short-sighted that they cannot think outside of the box.

The balance of payment is akin to judgement day for these idiots! They get paralysis just thinking about it.

The solution is that the Pakistani parliament needs to pass a bill prohibiting government from taking assistance from the United States. They have to make it illegal for any government to get into this kind of situation. I don't care if the US side comes offering grants, just walk away. This is essential if Pakistan is to survive as an independent country. The military and the civilian government are ALL guilty for the situation that Pakistan finds itself in.

The pathetic case of "we have suffered 50,000 dead" makes no sense. The US side would not care if we lose 500,000 dead given their own selfish interests in the region. Pakistan has to be just as ruthlessly selfish but it cannot for as long as Pakistan is beholden to them for aid. This is a country of 210 million people which is considered "food secure" by the United Nations. This means that if economic management and taxation are handled properly, there is NO reason for Pakistan to turn to the US or any of the international monetary funds. The problem is that both the civvies and khakis have becomes accustomed to easy money and shiny new toys respectively.

In all honesty, our air defence posture will not get denuded if F-16s and US equipment are not acquired. Train harder and use less sophisticated hardware while we struggle and strive to get better equipment developed locally or with collaboration from China and Turkey. Hardware alone does not win wars and when it is a matter of national interests and prestige, let go of the hang-ups and nostalgia about what Pak-US relations were.

There should be a national campaign in Pakistan making the citizens realize what not paying taxes is doing to the reputation of Pakistan. Our immature qaum has the habit of getting jazbaati over this issue of bheek/khairaat etc., yet no one talks about the national responsibility for the beghairat industrialists and the landlords to pay their taxes.

Other nations, in far tougher situations, have survived with their dignity intact. If these good for nothing leaders (civil and military) cannot come together despite having a massive Chinese investment in the country and shatter this cursed kashkol for good, Pakistan deserves all the ignominy that is piled on it. As a Pakistani, I myself cannot offer any sympathy to such a beghairat government polity or nation!

Someone needs to make our government realize that as a nation, we should be proud of our poverty if it allows us to live with dignity. Maybe a slightly jazbaati rant, but this is doable.

If the above is not acceptable, then take all the aid AND do the bidding of the master. The choice is quite simple!

Our Military and Civilian leaders will never think in this way unless theirs and their family members surrender US nationality. They should be allowed to go abroad and study, live but forbidden to gain American nationality. Till then, we should never expect them to be sincere.

 

[Mav3rick]

Pakistani bravado is not unlike Iraqi bravado. It is a slippery slope - I understand their citizens are proud people. But sometimes you need to hold your own Govt's feet to the fire. Indians did that in 1975 with Indira Gandhi - don't confuse your Govt/Army with your nation.

Woh kia hai na, this nation, when pushed, prefers to die a dignified death than live like an Indian! Issi liye alag ho gayee the.

 

[Meengla]

Sorry for a bit of reality dose here. Pakistan cannot do anything militarily. People need to wake up and stop living in a child's fantasy world. What Pakistan CAN do is to walk away from any or all US assistance for good and that will set a tone where even if Pakistan cannot respond militarily, it will have a moral yet effective victory. I know that even as I say this, some foreign policy mandarins and economic advisors are trying to figure a way out to keep the funding life-line alive. This is how pragmatically bey-sharam our policy makers are. On the surface it is about khuddari, but internally, their economic planning is so short-sighted that they cannot think outside of the box.

The balance of payment is akin to judgement day for these idiots! They get paralysis just thinking about it.

The solution is that the Pakistani parliament needs to pass a bill prohibiting government from taking assistance from the United States. They have to make it illegal for any government to get into this kind of situation. I don't care if the US side comes offering grants, just walk away. This is essential if Pakistan is to survive as an independent country. The military and the civilian government are ALL guilty for the situation that Pakistan finds itself in.

The pathetic case of "we have suffered 50,000 dead" makes no sense. The US side would not care if we lose 500,000 dead given their own selfish interests in the region. Pakistan has to be just as ruthlessly selfish but it cannot for as long as Pakistan is beholden to them for aid. This is a country of 210 million people which is considered "food secure" by the United Nations. This means that if economic management and taxation are handled properly, there is NO reason for Pakistan to turn to the US or any of the international monetary funds. The problem is that both the civvies and khakis have becomes accustomed to easy money and shiny new toys respectively.

In all honesty, our air defence posture will not get denuded if F-16s and US equipment are not acquired. Train harder and use less sophisticated hardware while we struggle and strive to get better equipment developed locally or with collaboration from China and Turkey. Hardware alone does not win wars and when it is a matter of national interests and prestige, let go of the hang-ups and nostalgia about what Pak-US relations were.

There should be a national campaign in Pakistan making the citizens realize what not paying taxes is doing to the reputation of Pakistan. Our immature qaum has the habit of getting jazbaati over this issue of bheek/khairaat etc., yet no one talks about the national responsibility for the beghairat industrialists and the landlords to pay their taxes.

Other nations, in far tougher situations, have survived with their dignity intact. If these good for nothing leaders (civil and military) cannot come together despite having a massive Chinese investment in the country and shatter this cursed kashkol for good, Pakistan deserves all the ignominy that is piled on it. As a Pakistani, I myself cannot offer any sympathy to such a beghairat government polity or nation!

Someone needs to make our government realize that as a nation, we should be proud of our poverty if it allows us to live with dignity. Maybe a slightly jazbaati rant, but this is doable.

If the above is not acceptable, then take all the aid AND do the bidding of the master. The choice is quite simple!

Top post! And a practical guide for a way forward.
As I have been saying again and again... when/if Pakistanis are willing to eat the proverbial grass then there is no need for any foreign assistance and even loans in a short time. The shiny cars, the imported electronics, the Paans and Chaliyas... everything not 'essential' should be banned from importing. Following this path, unlike the likes of North Korea, Pakistan will not only survive but also thrive long term. Pakistan has great agricultural and industrial potentials. A climate not too harsh. A people who are not on mass addiction on drugs. A people who are hard working. A people who are increasingly getting past the ethnic divides. A people ready to face aggression in unity.

So, a Pakistani brand of 'Juche' philosophy of self reliance needs to be developed NOW... as I see it, it's the best, perhaps the only way forward. There needs to be discussion about it on PDF and in Pakistani media.

 

[Jackdaws]

You want us to follow the failed policies of the USA

They had the same policy 10 years ago

They had over 100,000 soldiers involved
Multi billions commited to reconstruction of Afghanistan and a coherent policy which failed

Today they have almost nothing
The coalition has collapsed and run off
They have a few thousand soldiers covering a country the size of France and no coherent plan

Ontop of this they want Pakistan to jump into their fiasco

It dosent matter how bad sanctions are they are better than agreeing to partake in a ill thought out American plan with a boob like Trump at the helm

U.S gravitas is fading it only has threats and we can put our nation at peril on the back of their threats and stupidity

No. I say get rid of the 20th century mindset of strategic assets and get rid of all non state actors within your territory - not for the US, but for yourself as well. US has never been anyone's long term friend - they even sold Saddam weapons to fight Iran.

Woh kia hai na, this nation, when pushed, prefers to die a dignified death than live like an Indian! Issi liye alag ho gayee the.

Nice to type. Nice to say. But from offering your country on a platter to everyone - from the Americans to the Chinese for a pittance, reality is quite different.

 

[Mrc]

It's not possible...

Firstly there are no UN sanctions on Pakistan... 2ndly there cannot be UN sanctions on Pakistan...

Thirdly economically USA will continue to lose ground to new super power and we are very friendly with them

Fourthly we have never signed NPT ... so be carefull what u wish for...

Finally to do that u will have to accept defeat in Afghanistan....THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO TWO WAYS ABOUT IT...

 

[Mav3rick]

Nice to type. Nice to say. But from offering your country on a platter to everyone - from the Americans to the Chinese for a pittance, reality is quite different.

Woh kia hai na, hum thora pagal bhi hain......pyaar se mango ge jaan bhi de denge.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

While McMaster holds the candle for a pumpkin asks Pakistanis disavow its government. While it threatens to turn a country to stone age asks the protagonist to submit or be called another North Korea. Interesting times!

 

[bafxet]

Threats is all what we get from US. Whether we go after Haqqani's or we don't, doesn't matter.
US is not a friend of Pakistan, it is merely using Pakistan to take out Haqqani's at the cost of Pakistani blood.

 

[Jackdaws]

Woh kia hai na, hum thora pagal bhi hain......pyaar se mango ge jaan bhi de denge.

Lol. I don't know how to respond