Pakistan To Upgrade C-130 Fleet, US DSCA Tells Congress

[American Eagle]

PAF is already short of C-130s committing them to AC-130 version will not be a good idea, instead PA / PAF can ask for retiring A-10s which will be retired due to defense budget cuts.

Excellent idea!

The A-10, which us old timers in the USAF nick named the "flying bathtub" exist and now is a good time to ask for some.

The pilot's seat in the A-10 is a very bullet proof titanium lined "tub" which protects the pilot from ground fire.

The A-10 is a real wars battle tested tank killer.

Good luck, and hope you get some A-10s soon.

 

[razgriz19]

According to this if u look: List of aircraft of the Pakistan Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pakistan operates 18 C-130 Hercules. Pakistan operates 18 of these versions for past 50+ years:

C-130B - 5
C-130E - 5
C-130E (ex-Australian) - 2
C-130 H - 6

Anyone knows which versions are to be upgraded too, any engine management upgrade and what standards ?

Frankly am damn scared if these Lockheed Martin PAF C-130s start crashing...like the Indian new ones !!!

Airplanes can fly forever as long as they are carefully maintained, which PAF/PAC does.
People retire airplanes because of their high running costs, and SOMETIMES because of life limit air frame/structural parts.
60+ years old DC-3 are still flying in some parts of the world

 

[American Eagle]

Airplanes can fly forever as long as they are carefully maintained, which PAF/PAC does.
People retire airplanes because of their high running costs, and SOMETIMES because of life limit air frame/structural parts.
60+ years old DC-3 are still flying in some parts of the world

The USAF B-52 bomber fleet has been flying a very long time.

The first B-52 flew in 1952. Pending budget legislation in our US Congress seeks to continue the B-52 through 2044.

Obviously B-52s to date have been flying for the USAF for 62 years. The DC-3 has been flying since January, 1936, before WW II, which is approximately 78 years!

 

[Nishan_101]

PAF should have at least 50 C-130s: 30 Transport + 10 AC-130s + 10 ELINT/SIGNIT.

Although there is clear chance for PAF and TuAF to buy from all of the GCC countries and complement their own fleet.

 

[American Eagle]

PAF should have at least 50 C-130s: 30 Transport + 10 AC-130s + 10 ELINT/SIGNIT.

Although there is clear chance for PAF and TuAF to buy from all of the GCC countries and complement their own fleet.

C-130s configured into special warfare gunships a very good plan and effective tool in today's world.

 

[fatman17]

the US would be very reluctant to release both A-10 and the AC-130 as these have not been given to anyone else.

 

[Nishan_101]

C-130s configured into special warfare gunships a very good plan and effective tool in today's world.

Better for US to fund PAF to gain aircraft from GCC Like KSA, UAE, Jordan, Oman, Yemen, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Libya, Algeria, Tunisia and Morocco as well as Turkey which has money can buy them.

I am sure this will help PAF to gain about 70 of them along with large numbers for spares and about 100 for TuAF. PAF then can convert 35 of them for transport, 20 of them for Gunship and 15 of them for ELINT/SIGNIT.

the US would be very reluctant to release both A-10 and the AC-130 as these have not been given to anyone else.

How many A-10s they have in service?? And its not the case they will not release any A-10s to PAF... I am sure if they have any plans they will transfer all of them to PAF any time.

 

[Black Eagle 90]

The US Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress today of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Pakistan for a C-130 Fleet Upgrade Program for an estimated cost of $100 million.

The upgrade will allow continued operation of the Pakistan’s Air Force C-130 fleet (five C-130B and eleven C-130E models) for counter-insurgency/counter-terrorism flights; regional humanitarian operations; troop transport; and Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance (ISR) missions within Pakistan and in the region, according to the statement.

Pakistan To Upgrade C-130 Fleet, US DSCA Tells Congress

Should PAF buy through US aid the fleet of KSA C-130s.

 

[American Eagle]

Should PAF buy through US aid the fleet of KSA C-130s.

Sure, why not? Pakistan would be given the money with one hand to buy the planes, then with the other hand Pakistan executes the purchase.

Essentially a wash transaction.

 

[Black Eagle 90]

Sure, why not? Pakistan would be given the money with one hand to buy the planes, then with the other hand Pakistan executes the purchase.

Essentially a wash transaction.

Then US should do that for PAF.

 

[American Eagle]

All the background on this thread/topic says that USAID is in the process now of asking the US Congress to approve this $100 million for purchase of replacement C-130s of various types as enumerated in this threat several days ago.

 

[foxhound]

Pakistan requests US for C-130 fleet upgrade
14 March 2014
http://www.airforce-technology.com/news/newspakistan-requests-us-for-c-130-fleet-upgrade/

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The US Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) has notified Congress of a potential foreign military sale (FMS) of a C-130 fleet upgrade programme and associated equipment to Pakistan.

Under the estimated $100m sale, Pakistan has requested a possible sale of C-130B/E avionics upgrades, engine management and mechanical upgrades, cargo delivery system installation, and the replacement of outer wing sets on six military transport aircraft.

The package also includes spare and repair parts, support equipment, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, US Government and contractor technical and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics support.

The upgrade are expected to enable the continued operation of the Pakistan Air Force's (PAF) C-130 fleet for counter-insurgency/counter-terrorism flights, regional humanitarian operations, troop transport, and intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) missions within Pakistan and in the region.

Comprising five C-130B and 11 C-130E models, PAF's fleet is facing airworthiness and obsolescence issues, and will require upgrades and repairs for continued operation and effectiveness.

"The proposed modernisation is also anticipated to ensure C-130's continued viability for an additional 10 to15 years."
The proposed modernisation is also anticipated to ensure C-130's continued viability for an additional 10 to15 years.

The proposed sale also contributes to the foreign policy and national security of the US by helping to enhance the security of a major non-Nato ally, which continues to serve as an important force for regional stability and US national security goals in the region.

The prime contractor currently remains undisclosed, and is expected to be determined through a competitive bid process in future.

Powered by four Allison AE2100D3 turboprop engines, the C-130 aircraft is designed to conduct airborne assault, search-and-rescue, scientific research support, weather reconnaissance and aerial refuelling, maritime patrol and aerial firefighting operations.

Image: A Pakistan Air Force's C-130E Hercules aircraft in flight. Photo: courtesy of Asuspine.

 

[fatman17]

Old news

 

[Wolfhound]

Old news

But is it happening?

 

[wiseone2]

i have not read anything about it