Pakistan to test fire a medium range missile?

[The Deterrent]

@kurup I was referring to thrusters on the TCS on Pakistani missiles only. There is also a pair of thrusters on the base of RVs for initiating spin motion for re-entry.

 

[Bilal.]

smoke line aur kitni chizon se banti .. by the way ya bas mera andaza ha ..

What you saw were the contrails of a high flying aircraft.

 

[truthseeker2010]

live Weapon = yes
Jet activity = I don't know
=================
SECURITE

111215 UTC NOV 2014

NAVAREA NINE (.) 306 (.) ARABIAN SEA (.) PAKISTAN (.) CHARTS PAK 33,
58 (INT 7019) BA 4071 AND 4705 (.)

2. MISSILE FIRING WILL BE CARRIED OUT BETWEEN 0600 TO 0900 UTC ON
13 AND 14 NOV 2014 IN AREA BOUNDED BY FOLLOWING COORDINATES:

A.
(1) 25-10.63N 066-21.24E
(2) 25-02.31N 066-36.83E
(3) 24-16.71N 066-04.30E
(4) 24-25.03N 065-49.03E

B.
(1) 14-40.15N 059-26.80E
(2) 14-29.64N 059-46.29E
(3) 13-43.56N 059-16.77E
(4) 13-54.61N 058-56.74E

ALTITUDE 436000 METRES

3. SHIPS AND CRAFT ARE TO KEEP WELL CLEAR AND NOT TO ENTER ASSIGNED
DANGER AREA ON ABOVE SPECIFIED DATES AND TIME (.)

4. CANCEL THIS MESSAGE ON 141100 UTC NOV 2014.

5.CANCEL NAVAREA NINE WARNING 302 OF 2014

http://paknavy.gov.pk/securite/20141111SEC 306.txt

Distance from Somyami Missile Firing site to the coordinate is (just) 1500 KM .....
View attachment 149810

If it is fired from tilla, then range is increased to around 2600 km.

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

What you saw were the contrails of a high flying aircraft.

may be

 

[Zarvan]

It is going to be soon 9 am and no tests yet Dam will that ever happen ?

 

[Arsalan]

It is going to be soon 9 am and no tests yet Dam will that ever happen ?

it was YOU who made us believe that there will be one,, you source you said, remember!! Ab asay tu na kro yaar!

 

[A.Rafay]

Please lock this useless thread. There are no tests. We are broke.
@WebMaster @chuckbamu

 

[Zarvan]

it was YOU who made us believe that there will be one,, you source you said, remember!! Ab asay tu na kro yaar!

Yes something is delaying things don't know what but test will happen in few days may get a little delayed but tests are due

 

[Arsalan]

A whole different set of modifications need to be made to the Shaheen series (II/III) to make them deliver MIRVs, which is why the MIRVed BM would look like a new system. No, Shaheen-IA has neither the payload capacity nor the geometrical parameters to be able to carry a MIRV bus.

Actually no, this is a general misconception. Since mostly MIRV arm long range intercontinental ballistic missiles (mainly deployed by Russians, Americans and not Chinese and for obvious reasons they arm intercontinental missiles with MIRV) normally it is believed that only long range missiles can be fitted with MIRV. This is not the case. The Shaheen 1A have a payload capacity of 1000Kg, we no we are making smaller nuclear warheads (not to mention loads of conventional weapons options) and this is good enough to get this armed with a 2-3 multiple warhead re-entry vehicle. Whether it will be done or not is an other debate. Regarding Shaheen 2, the chances are high that once we get MIRV developed and tested we will see follow up tests of Shaheen 2 missiles carrying MIRV.

 

[JonAsad]

 

[farhan_9909]

The word "Shaheen III" should be filtered

 

[The Deterrent]

Actually no, this is a general misconception. Since mostly MIRV arm long range intercontinental ballistic missiles (mainly deployed by Russians, Americans and not Chinese and for obvious reasons they arm intercontinental missiles with MIRV) normally it is believed that only long range missiles can be fitted with MIRV. This is not the case.

Of course range is not that much of a constraint, however there is minimum limit (somewhere between 2000-3000km) for MIRV capable missiles. Reason being, any lesser than that, the MIRV bus won't be able to disperse the RVs effectively to "independent" targets, because it is not gaining enough altitude.

The Shaheen 1A have a payload capacity of 1000Kg, we no we are making smaller nuclear warheads (not to mention loads of conventional weapons options) and this is good enough to get this armed with a 2-3 multiple warhead re-entry vehicle. Whether it will be done or not is an other debate. Regarding Shaheen 2, the chances are high that once we get MIRV developed and tested we will see follow up tests of Shaheen 2 missiles carrying MIRV.

Shaheen-IA has too much less range/apogee for effectively deploying MIRVs, however, in theory, MRVs are possible. But then again, there is a minimum limit also on the warhead (rather RV) miniaturization. Because there is always the weight of RV structure, spin mechanisms, detonation mechanism, triggers, electronics etc. Even if that problem is solved, there isn't simply enough volume/area available on Shaheen-IA (1m diameter). Suppose that even this issue is resolved, the end product will be 3xRVs of around 1kt each, randomly detonating over a large target area. Now this is much much less effective than a single 20kt warhead.

 

[hunter_hunted]

38 Pages and still no tests. Yar koi dil rakhne k liya he kh do k test ho gae ....

 

[sathya]

Testing missile or what ?

If it's delayed due to monsoon or some other reason. It should haVe been notified ?

 

[Arsalan]

Of course range is not that much of a constraint, however there is minimum limit (somewhere between 2000-3000km) for MIRV capable missiles. Reason being, any lesser than that, the MIRV bus won't be able to disperse the RVs effectively to "independent" targets, because it is not gaining enough altitude.



Shaheen-IA has too much less range/apogee for effectively deploying MIRVs, however, in theory, MRVs are possible. But then again, there is a minimum limit also on the warhead (rather RV) miniaturization. Because there is always the weight of RV structure, spin mechanisms, detonation mechanism, triggers, electronics etc. Even if that problem is solved, there isn't simply enough volume/area available on Shaheen-IA (1m diameter). Suppose that even this issue is resolved, the end product will be 3xRVs of around 1kt each, randomly detonating over a large target area. Now this is much much less effective than a single 20kt warhead.

As said earlier, theoretically it is possible but will PA find it practical enough is a separate debate. the possible advantages it will present compared to cheaper and already exiting alternatives that we have, that is for some other time.

Of all the problems you have identified, a agree with the flight trajectory/ apogee that need to be addressed with and reduced range will solve that. The weight is not an issue since there are 200 Kg warheads in existence with complete guidance mechanism (not saying they can be fitted as it is in MIRV but pointing out the miniaturization to this scale is being done same goes for volume. Again, after going through the details again, i also feel that Shaheen1A with MIRV might not be something PA will be overly excited about so that may not happen as you said. Shaheen 2 and later series missiles will be better option. We also have small range and tactical ballistic missile arsenal so fitting Shaheen 1A with MIRV, compromising on range might not be happening as you say.