Pakistan to skip US summit on democracy

[IceCold]

Chinese client state of Pakistan cannot afford to make China unhappy LOL.

That's rich coming from the likes of Nepalis.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

It was cunning move to invite Pakistan when US ignored Pakistan in other such summits. Idea was to create rift in between China and Pakistan relations, had we participated. This move clearly indicates that Pakistan now give more importance to her relationship with China than US. Perhaps 10-15 years situation would had been different. Why US invited Pakistan in first place ? when Biden govt have been ignoring Pakistani govt by inlarge this year. Even over Afghanistan exit , they didn't took us in confidence and in the end it was their unilateral decision.

 

[Ghessan]

Each country should weight pros and cons of its diplomatic decisions. Personally, I believe that a US-Pakistan relation is much more beneficial for Pakistan than the Sino-Pak relation. It is because we are constantly in need of financial assistance and will remain that way for the foreseeable future. China, practically, is too petty with finances and all their assistance is in the shape of loans and/or advances with conditions attached (interest on finances or materialistic). Whereas the US has generally been happy just with services and is a whole lot generous with financial assistance than any other country. What we need is to walk a fine line between both the US and China with inclination towards our own benefits on each matter.

Furthermore, the US has a hegemony on global politics and finances; it is outright insane antagonizing the US. US can very simply crush Pakistani economy and China will sit in a corner and watch, just as the US did to North Korea, Iran and Afghanistan amongst other countries which have faced the US wrath. And worst of all is the unrealistic fear that the US is after our Nuclear Weapons. It is my opinion that the US only cares that our Nuclear Weapons do not fall into the wrong hands and hence has game planned eventualities but those are only in circumstances where the Military is defeated by terrorists/extremists and so negligible and inconsequential.

it is always our foreign policy that has over decades ruined the relationship time to time. we cannot even score the point for when we had good relations with US, it was them who came to us for their own interests. when interests are high and at stake we were their great ally and discarded later, because they knew we need them and even if they discard us we will still go reminding them of our contributions to their cause time to time.

even when today we have such a cold with them, we are still waiting and keep waiting once they give a wink and we'll be running.

US could be a better partner which would always be in our favor but to have them we never play clever. taking benefit, they always kept us on ventilator giving that much dosage which was required to keep this State not to default.

we never learn from it, busy in our own political bias and plundering and selling cheap. that's what suit them for their own interests in the region that is always critical, hence they always found a partner within Pakistan and was brought forward in the form of a regime to forward their interests. this is why we see our "people" running to Washington of and on.

with China we need to play a different game as to how bring them to the table and make them look into our problems. but what good we did with our relationships with US that we will ever be able to bring China to a table where coffee is served to both.

That's rich coming from the likes of Nepalis.

they are a good economy and prospering but it seems they don't know their economy is based on a partner who is a back stabber.

 

[Beast]

although a bold step but to me it seems it will have consequences though we already are going through in certain forms.

it also seems our foreign ministry is not keeping a balance when it comes to China and US which leads to, we are not clear with our foreign policy and still taking influences.
but, this time there may not be much hue and cry because it is China this time? then this too is wrong indeed.

You still cling onto delusion? Pakistan is able to depend on US for something? Rather than try stay neutral and please both side which end up you getting nothing. Why not make your position clear and stand with the one who will always support u?

 

[Battlion25]

You still cling onto delusion? Pakistan is able to depend on US for something? Rather than try stay neutral and please both side which end up you getting nothing. Why not make your position clear and stand with the one who will always support u?

Don't listen to that guy and you will run into sometime questionable posts from time to time don't put much weight to it. I guess the reason could be maybe this was geared towards an anti-china summit or atleast has such undertones

 

[Ghessan]

You still cling onto delusion? Pakistan is able to depend on US for something? Rather than try stay neutral and please both side which end up you getting nothing. Why not make your position clear and stand with the one who will always support u?

you seems don't know the ground realities or do i say i am talking about my country and we have reservations even with CPEC.

we are trapped with countless institutions, organizations, banks and many other security and human rights related departments that work in several ways particularly related to economy. we cannot ignore them.

these all can play with us anytime they want or to serve their purposes on geopolitics, one example is FATF. and if i continue you will get bored.

and i come to your point:
"Why not make your position clear and stand with the one who will always support u?"

ok support us:
improve balance of trade with us
remove duty from Pakistan imports into China
get us out of FATF
influence IMF, World Bank, ADB and other financial institutions to ease up
to some extent convert CPEC projects into "support your partner"
help us establish trade with the countries that you can influence
we are defaulting on committed tariff on power projects under CPEC, so?
we are defaulting on loan pay back, so?

any single of above will never be served that is what i am sure and the world is always this way hence we have to deal with them our way as those are either our blunders or are imposed.

 

[Battlion25]

you seems don't know the ground realities or do i say i am talking about my country and we have reservations even with CPEC.

we are trapped with countless institutions, organizations, banks and many other security and human rights related departments that work in several ways particularly related to economy. we cannot ignore them.

these all can play with us anytime they want or to serve their purposes on geopolitics, one example is FATF. and if i continue you will get bored.

and i come to your point:
"Why not make your position clear and stand with the one who will always support u?"

ok support us:
improve balance of trade with us
remove duty from Pakistan imports into China
get us out of FATF
influence IMF, World Bank, ADB and other financial institutions to ease up
to some extent convert CPEC projects into "support your partner"
help us establish trade with the countries that you can influence
we are defaulting on committed tariff on power projects under CPEC, so?
we are defaulting on loan pay back, so?

any single of above will never be served that is what i am sure and the world is always this way hence we have to deal with them our way as those are either our blunders or are imposed.

Instead of going all that road why not just say the simple shorten version which is ''sanctions and trade blockade'' avoidance

 

[SD 10]

Islamabad believes both countries can engage on the subject at an 'opportune time in the future'

Kamran Yousaf
December 08, 2021


ISLAMABAD:
Pakistan has decided to skip the summit on democracy being convened by President Joe Biden in a rebuke to the White House that may have serious implications for the already strained relationship between the two countries.

The announcement was made by the Foreign Office (FO) just hours before the two-day summit is to kick start after days of in-house consultations.

No reason was cited by the FO in the official handout of virtually snubbing the US invite but multiple factors played a part. One of the reasons includes the exclusion of China from the summit while the overall state of the relationship between the two countries also compelled Islamabad to stay away from the democracy summit.

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It is believed that President Biden's move to continue to ignore Prime Minister Imran Khan also made it difficult for Islamabad to attend the summit on democracy.


The US president is hosting the summit on December 9 and 10 and has invited leaders from over 100 countries. Pakistan was amongst the only four South Asian countries which were invited to the summit. Others included India, Maldives and Nepal.

"We are thankful to the United States for inviting Pakistan for participation in the Summit for Democracy, being held virtually on 9-10 December 2021," the foreign office said in a statement.

"Pakistan is a large functional democracy with an independent judiciary, vibrant civil society, and a free media. We remain deeply committed to further deepening democracy, fighting corruption, and protecting and promoting the human rights of all citizens. In recent years, Pakistan has instituted wide-ranging reforms aimed at advancing these goals. These reforms have yielded positive results," the official communique read.

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It went on to emphasise that Pakistan values its partnership with the US which it wishes to expand both bilaterally as well as in terms of regional and international cooperation.

"We remain in contact with the US on a range of issues and believe that we can engage on this subject at an opportune time in the future," the statement said while politely rejecting the US invitation.

"Pakistan will, meanwhile, continue to support all efforts aimed towards strengthening dialogue, constructive engagement, and international cooperation for the advancement of our shared goals," it concluded.

Hell yeah...**** democracy

 

[Titanium100]

Biden is likely going to preach values Biden is gon Biden good luck to these who will sit thru that session

 

[Ghessan]

Instead of going all that road why not just say the simple shorten version which is ''sanctions and trade blockade'' avoidance

so sanctions and trade blockade is what you welcomes with open arms.

having no thoughts of ones own, nothing to share and bragging about here and there favoring one ditching other, what does your credibility tells you besides?

 

[Battlion25]

so sanctions and trade blockade is what you welcomes with open arms.

having no thoughts of ones own, nothing to share and bragging about here and there favoring one ditching other, what does your credibility tells you besides?

Look I never said I would welcome it and one gotta do what one gotta do to avoid that but you just took the long road to explain that simple part

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

am i dreaming ?

Not surprised as Biden is ignoring Pakistan. All due to Organizations like TLP,TTP, and other 72 banned jidahi organization & Incident like Sialkot and Pakistan most vulnerable country for minorities . No wonder World don't take us serious. Imran Khan always has soft for Jihadi organizations. We need some secular leader to save Pakistan.
We should attend international meeting and try to make friends.

 

[Ghessan]

Look I never said I would welcome it and one gotta do what one gotta do to avoid that but you just took the long road to explain that simple part

comprehensive reply is necessary sometimes, it is needed to avoid long useless discussions.
besides they way you quoted me to him, my reply to you was to that very statement and that you rather come up with some thing constructive and debatable.

 

[Battlion25]

comprehensive reply is necessary sometimes, it is needed to avoid long useless discussions.
besides they way you quoted me to him, my reply to you was to that very statement and that you rather come up with some thing constructive and debatable.

It was just unnecessary to go with the eassy route but aside from that we don't disagree

 

[Nasr]

Good that Pakistan is not attending america's ... more so a Hypocrisy Summit than a Democracy Summit. A country responsible for wars around the world over the last century, is not a democracy. A country, whose government is habitual and compulsive LIAR, is one any sane and dignified human can dismiss outright. The proverbial "Apple" didn't fall far from the tree, america is what britain and france have been for the last 150 years ... LIARS, MURDERERS, THIEVES .... SCUM!!!