Pakistan To Participate In Turkey’s TFX Next-Gen Fighter Aircraft Program

[Mughal-Prince]

2025 and 2020 is the expected date of all operational 5th Gen's the ones in development stages,Till by 2030 with a huge rival market to the United states F-22 and technological progression of avionics nothing in the F-22 will be a secret anymore,So F-22 will be open to Pakistan.
With a peaceful,safe,strong and vibrant economy like of the 1960s and 1980s why you don't think they'll give us F-22's?
Times change.
The India of 1960s going through Famines today is the worlds largest democracy and a GDP of 83USD compared to Pakistans 81USD and Pakistans GDP Percentage growth was 6.8 percent all through out the 1960s this was a time when South korea had a GDP growth rate of 5 percent all through 1960s and a few two good decades ahead.
Remember the remarks of Nixon against Indhira Gandhi when he called her a B**** Lol and yeah we all know that.
So yeah I do believe they'll give us F-22's.The overall political outlook of the world has changed Yes.
But the Americans are Good people they will be willing to give it to us if we work seriously with them.
PS#No Goddamn Indo Quote me and start a war,This is the truth.

Bhai sahib I am addressing your post so I am quoting you.

Now please I gave you a clear example how many of F-117, B2 Spirit, B1B sold out of USA ?? They will not sold them and the time you are quoting here it will be obsolete as well as reopening its assembly line would be costly. Instead other machines would be offered with new tech. even its price refrain USA to not build more than 180 examples from which none of the iteration been replaced as its assembly line had been shut down years ago. They won't even offer there used ones to any of the country as they will juice them out and when they were in twilight of lifespan it would be loaded with such technologies which they never share with any of the country. Left alone the F-22 they had not shared certain technologies of F-35 to the nations which are participating in research and development. They denied SK for 5 techs from F-35 for their NG Fighter program.

Summing up in 1 line F-22 is not for export! Period

 

[salarsikander]

Good finally Pakistan dumped Chinese mal


Jf 17 will nə developed into stealth in block 4

No Offence but why do you have to prove yourself as stupid ?

Close as China - Pakistan relations are, Pakistan is not keen on rely exclusively on Chinese equipment. Turkey seems like the only country that is willing to sell Pakistan without strings attached.

A wise man once said never put all your eggs in one basket. Plus Pakistan always had the opportunity of using American, French and chinese equipement. Brings about good diversity too

 

[hussain0216]

Jf17 not developed for Pakistan. But delovelped for export by China in mid 80s and 90s. Pakistan was offered with Sweet deals aiming at India. It was win win for Pakistan and China as China irk India and make cash out of it with interest. While Pakistan gets new fighters to replace it's old fleets with yearly payment for some decade. To be frank I feel Block 3 configuration should be basic for Block 1. For which Chinese are capable of putting in best features but they dint. In the name of block 2 they fixed refueling probe likes in other minor upgrades.

It's good Pakistan should go with turkey. If am not wrong Chinese Type 99 failed to impress PA and now atlay Turkish tank is on the card. But Chinese are lobbying hard.

Keep your delusions to yourself

 

[Basel]

It will be wise to join some western supported 5th gen fighter jet program from a reliable source, it will make Pakistan more independent and have access to tech used or developed from F-35 or any other project.

Currently Pakistan is not supporting China in terms of tech knowledge as they have done since long due to access to advance western tech. TFX could allow improvement in future J-31 versions if Pakistan procure them.

TFX may use engine used in EFT so if Pakistan join the project it may also procure some EFTs to maximize benefit of it.

@waz @Bilal Khan 777 @Windjammer

 

[WaLeEdK2]

2025 and 2020 is the expected date of all operational 5th Gen's the ones in development stages,Till by 2030 with a huge rival market to the United states F-22 and technological progression of avionics nothing in the F-22 will be a secret anymore,So F-22 will be open to Pakistan.
With a peaceful,safe,strong and vibrant economy like of the 1960s and 1980s why you don't think they'll give us F-22's?
Times change.
The India of 1960s going through Famines today is the worlds largest democracy and a GDP of 83USD compared to Pakistans 81USD and Pakistans GDP Percentage growth was 6.8 percent all through out the 1960s this was a time when South korea had a GDP growth rate of 5 percent all through 1960s and a few two good decades ahead.
Remember the remarks of Nixon against Indhira Gandhi when he called her a B**** Lol and yeah we all know that.
So yeah I do believe they'll give us F-22's.The overall political outlook of the world has changed Yes.
But the Americans are Good people they will be willing to give it to us if we work seriously with them.
PS#No Goddamn Indo Quote me and start a war,This is the truth.

F-22 is not for export nor is it ever going to be.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

China became the worlds Third largest arms exporter.

J20 entered limited production, Other than US, how many other states are producing stealth fighter jets?

China conducted a seventh successful flight test of its hyper sonic glide vehicle, which travels at speeds between 4,000 and 7,000 miles per hour. How many other states have this other than US and Russia?

Has an operational ASAT system. Other than US and Russia how many other states?

Has built three different kinds of AWACS KJ2000, KJ200 and KJ500.

China is fielding the worlds first operational ASBM, referred to as the DF-21D, a theater range ballistic missile equipped with a maneuverable reentry vehicle(MaRV) designed to hit moving ships at sea.

Chinese Gunship WZ-10 uses WZ9 ingeniously developed WZ9 engine.

Exported weaponized drones to several countries.

Conducted 7th test of DF-41 ICBM with a range upto 15000kms and MIRV's.

Laser weapons like LAG II to destroy aerial targets.

Exceptional cyber espionage skills...For that you can refer to Pentagon for details

I am certain that there are so many other military accomplishments that China has made over the last few years about which i am not even aware of, same goes for their engine programs, for that you will have to talk to the Chinese members, as they can provide better details. So far Chinese antagonists have been banking on this one point extravagantly to play down Chinese military industrial complex & its achievements, which you ask me, in all fairness is nothing but a folly and a "feel good attemp
@Beast @Chinese-Dragon @ChineseTiger1986 @Sinopakfriend @SinoSoldier Would you like to add more?

My dear friend,

Why waste your energies on those who have chosen blindness...these ******** are so self possessed with their delusions and invented mythologies that nothing can cure this sickness.

China is truly transformed in defence production...and its almost there in many areas against the US...and some other areas it is already ahead of the game.

It is not just the defence sector...you have to see the overall scientefic and industrial development and output as well. Now the great Russia is importing state of the art electronics components for its strategic sector from China.

******** are just burning inside with jealosuy...they can never achieve the achievements of China...hence they belittle everything Chinese and have only half a billion people living as subhumans to show.

You keep your spirits up. Bless you and your great country. Just crush the hindu sponsored terrorists..focus and economic progress. CPEC is just the beginning...many many great things to come to your good people.

Ignore the sick filled with dark hatred of Sino-Pak Friendship.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

This is like a blind man’s figuring out the elephant:

• Here, Turkey has requested for Pak’s participation, so Pak is an honorable guest. Turkish folks are known for their hospitality.
  
• My association with Pak folks, although very limited, shows that they have an air of independence in them. That means they won’t feel shy to ask tough questions and figure out the weaknesses. These are the philosophical musts for a successful engineering project.
  
• Paks love aviation – look at JF17 project. Thanks to the OBL ops they must have a first-hand experience with different aspects of the stealth technology – materials science, mechanics etc.
  
• As for the funding, leave it to Reis Erdo’an. When he sets his eyes on something usually he gets it done. The same is true for Paks; otherwise, they couldn’t have been a nuclear power.
  
• As for Ehl-i Iman, the higher the levels of participation the more the probability of success due to Bereket, Rahmet, Ijazet etc. factors.
• When the Turkic folks in the harsh steppes of the Central Asia put all their belongings (mostly weapons) on their horses and set into the journey to the unknown - Byzantines and Hindistan- it was a very hard task too. Consider TFX as the modern day version of that scenario...

 

[dani958]

PAKISTAN TO PARTICIPATE IN TURKEY’S TFX NEXT-GEN FIGHTER AIRCRAFT PROGRAM
WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 24, 2016 BY INDIANDEFENSE NEWS

Turkey has invited Pakistan to participate in the development of its next-generation fighter program, TFX.
Pakistan’s Minister of Defense Production Rana Tanveer Hussain in an interview with PTV last Sunday, said that Turkey had requested Islamabad to be part of the development program for its next-generation fighter aircraft.
Turkey is evaluating proposals for purchasing training aircraft for the Turkish Air Force, and Pakistan’s Super Mushshak trainer aircraft is a leading contender. A final decision is likely soon.
As for future collaboration, both countries are in discussions over possible cooperation on Turkey's first indigenous FX Fighter Jet program, Anadolu agency had quoted unnamed sources as saying in June this year.
Pakistan and Turkey are also collaborating on building a new warship fleet tanker. Pakistan’s Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KSEW) has launched a 17,000-tonne heavy Warship fleet tanker, which was being constructed by the company in collaborating with the Turkish firm Savunma Teknologiler Muhendisilik (STM) Sunday.
http://www.defencenews.in/article/M...se-of-fighter-jets,-submarines,-warships-7670

 

[cabatli_53]

You don't understand what am trying to say. Leave the Americans. How many countries developing 5th gen fighter? Very few? Why?

Because of cost and resources involved is huge. This two engine fighter will take decade to get inducted of not decades. Turkey and Pakistan both facing financial crunch. If it's not for funds Pakistan could have gone for western fighters than Chinese jf17.


Very true exactly my point. And nothing wrong with that.

Turkey looks TF-X project as a huge step towards own independence so keeping it in a special place.

The number of TF-X to be produced for Turkish Air Force: 240
The first flight: before 2023
Turkey's budget: 12 billion $

The Pakistan like brother states that is going to join the project will also support it in terms of engineering, cost and total aircraft number to be produced.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

A fifth generation air superiority fighter jet like the Turkish TFX with BVR's would certainly even the playing field when it comes to the quantitative and qualitative edge the Indian air force has managed to develop over the past decade, all those 100's of SU- 30MKI's would be for naught and any fifth generation stealth jet India manages to acquire would mean the potential win or loss would certainly fall back to the skill of the pilot which favors the PAF, superior numbers of 4th and 4.5 generation jets would not influence the outcome in any significant way.

 

[SQ8]

What if i say that they all are not your concern??

Why not?
He is a member with a right to know if he is asking with genuine curiosity

Jf17 not developed for Pakistan. But delovelped for export by China in mid 80s and 90s. .

As an example to forum members.

Posters like these try to pass off total Cow dung as actual knowledge by trying to sound confident. Your best bet is to report them for parroting trash as this one is right now and let us handle the rest.

 

[anatolia]

hey pakistani brothers;
it may not be best fighter on earth but it would be ours (both TURKISH AND PAKISTAN) !!.

 

[Tps43]

Good news but investment should be made when turks them selves start to follow the project with much more seriousness.

 

[Pandora]

Good finally Pakistan dumped Chinese mal


Jf 17 will nə developed into stealth in block 4

JF Thunder will never be converted to stealth but most likely semi stealth on lines of F15 Silent eagle. A stealth aircraft needs to designed from scratch due to complex aerodynamic features.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

PAF should welcome it with open arms and participate in TFX