Pakistan To Buy Chinese Plz45(hat)

[HAIDER]

The turret uses a modified autoloader from the Russian 2S19 Msta-S turret, using a 155m gun instead of 152mm, mounted on a slightly extended PLZ45 hull. There is a gap between the fifth and six road wheel, which has a beefed up suspension. The barrel is 8.06 metres long and can fire a rocket assisted shell to 53km.

 

[Dazzler]

Pakistan never had any interest in PLZ-45, rather in SH-1 system which is more mobile and advanced as well. We already have more than adequate systems ranging from m109-A5 to T-155 panter. PLZ-45 is a good system but not in the league of the two mentioned above. SH-1 (95 systems) is also inducted so this also goes against its purchase.

 

[fatman17]

Pakistan never had any interest in PLZ-45, rather in SH-1 system which is more mobile and advanced as well. We already have more than adequate systems ranging from m109-A5 to T-155 panter. PLZ-45 is a good system but not in the league of the two mentioned above. SH-1 (95 systems) is also inducted so this also goes against its purchase.

panter is towed arty isnt it?

 

[TaimiKhan]

panter is towed arty isnt it?

Sir, its towed, but has limited self propelled mobility having a 160hp engine which can propel it to something like 20KM/h on main roads.

http://www2.ssm.gov.tr/katalog2007/data/245010/10/uruning/uruning6.html

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Sir, its towed, but has limited self propelled mobility having a 160hp engine which can propel it to something like 20KM/h on main roads.

http://www2.ssm.gov.tr/katalog2007/data/245010/10/uruning/uruning6.html

So I assume that gives it a degree of 'shoot and scoot' capability once deployed in a particular theater by being towed there.

BTW, I know we acquired a few systems for trials, but did not here much more after that on the results of the trials and whether acquisition would take place or not. Any more info on that count?

 

[fatman17]

So I assume that gives it a degree of 'shoot and scoot' capability once deployed in a particular theater by being towed there.

BTW, I know we acquired a few systems for trials, but did not here much more after that on the results of the trials and whether acquisition would take place or not. Any more info on that count?

it is being inducted. 10-12 guns already delivered.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Pakistan never had any interest in PLZ-45, rather in SH-1 system which is more mobile and advanced as well. We already have more than adequate systems ranging from m109-A5 to T-155 panter. PLZ-45 is a good system but not in the league of the two mentioned above. SH-1 (95 systems) is also inducted so this also goes against its purchase.

For desert terrain which we have to defend in huge numbers & have strike formations and hopefully some mobile brigades, we should be looking at acquiring PLZ-05s, the export model 52 caliber ones.

PLZ-45 had export success having been sold to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia and after reading through the system, it seems the Chinese system was put into competition with the western options and succeeded. So this system must be capable enough.

SH-1 would be a good option for plainer areas of Punjab, while the tracked ones can be used extensively in the desert terrain.

Plus, maximum range of fire 50km+ of PLZ-05 / SH-1 are much superior when compared to max 30KM of the A5s.

20KM greater range is one hell of a plus point.

 

[TaimiKhan]

So I assume that gives it a degree of 'shoot and scoot' capability once deployed in a particular theater by being towed there.

BTW, I know we acquired a few systems for trials, but did not here much more after that on the results of the trials and whether acquisition would take place or not. Any more info on that count?

Yups, it does gives a good shoot and scoot capability by looking at its engine performance, but useful in the plains of Punjab, not in desert area.

No more news with regard to Panter has come after the initial induction of some of the guns, it seems something has halted to process, my say would be most probably financial one, as we were and are already in the process of inducting the Chinese systems, thus it has been postponed.

Some inside news would be more welcome.

 

[Arsalan]

Can someone give numbers? How many PLZ-45, 155 mm self-propelled howitzers we are going to buy from china.

the deal first surfaced in 2006 and nothing was seen happening in this regard since then.

i personally think that PA have opted out, atleast for time being.

the reason may be the provision of some 115 M109A5 howitzers and upgradation of all exixting fleet to A5 level. perhaps this made army think to use available funds in some thing more important and the Chines Howitzer deal was put into corner.

well actually if this is the case to be, we wont ever see the PLZ45 in PA colors as by the time PA will deceide to get a new System we will have better options on cards.

regards!
regards!

 

[Arsalan]

Pakistan never had any interest in PLZ-45, rather in SH-1 system which is more mobile and advanced as well. We already have more than adequate systems ranging from m109-A5 to T-155 panter. PLZ-45 is a good system but not in the league of the two mentioned above. SH-1 (95 systems) is also inducted so this also goes against its purchase.

yes,
and as far as my knowledge is concerned, the SH-1 are being inducted. this is also an excellent system with a range of 53Km. it is also an agile system with a speed of about 90Km/Hr that is real good.
what it lacks is a good loading system that may be a limitaion when it comes to rounds fired per minute.

The SH1 self-propelled howitzer was developed by NORINCO for the export market. Development of this artillery system commenced in 2002. It was first revealed in 2007. Details of this artillery system were released at the same time as were details of the smaller SH2 122-mm truck-mounted howitzer. Pakistan acquired approximately 90 SH-1 truck-mounted howitzers. It may also enter service with the Chinese Army in the near future.

The SH1 is armed with a 155-mm / L52 howitzer. It is compatible with all standard 155-mm NATO ammunition, as well as ammunition developed by NORINCO. Claimed maximum range of fire is 53 km which was achieved with a rocket assisted V-LAP projectile using charge zone 10. In addition this artillery system is able to use indigenous precision guided munitions, based on the Russian Krasnopol technology.

Ammunition box of the SH-1 artillery system houses 25 rounds of seven different types and their modular charges.

Before firing a large spade is lowered to the ground. It provides more stable firing platform.

The SH1 is fitted with a computerized fire control system, navigation, positioning and targeting systems. Vehicle receives target information from artillery command vehicle.

Secondary armament consists of a 12.7-mm machine gun, mounted on top of the roof.

Vehicle has a crew of five. An armored driving cab provides protection against small arms fire and artillery shell splinters.

The SH1 artillery system uses 6x6 truck chassis. Vehicle can be airlifted by most medium transport aircraft.

A complete SH-1 regiment comprises 24 truck-mounted howitzers, four battery command post vehicles, one battalion command post vehicle, one meteorological radar, four 6x6 wheeled reconnaissance vehicles and one artillery locating radar.

Sir Fatman can confirm on there induction

regards!

 

[Jigs]

According to Planeman's guide. Pakistan has moved Panter towed artillery units to replace smaller calibers at the indo/pak border. It would give it the longest range of any piece stationed there (On both the Indian and Pakistani side) 40KM+ with MKEK ERFB/BB rounds.

 

[Super Falcon]

well of we got chinese than we have three artillery system one fr USA and from turkey already inducted now chinese hope they have bought msam system than artillery guns we are short on SAMS not Artillery guns

 

[Super Falcon]

better to het those MPRLS before that we are short on MPRLS not on Artillery guns

 

[HAIDER]

Specifications

Armament
One 155 mm gun and one 12.7 mm machine gun.
Country user
China
Company Designer
Norinco.
Accessories
NBC protection system, Nigh/Day driving vision,
Crew
5 soldiers

Armor
Protection against small arms and shell splinters.
Weight
35,000 kg
Speed
55 km/hr on raod
Range
550 km
Dimensions
Lenght, ? m; Width, ? m; Height, ? m

 

[Dazzler]

For desert terrain which we have to defend in huge numbers & have strike formations and hopefully some mobile brigades, we should be looking at acquiring PLZ-05s, the export model 52 caliber ones.

PLZ-45 had export success having been sold to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia and after reading through the system, it seems the Chinese system was put into competition with the western options and succeeded. So this system must be capable enough.

SH-1 would be a good option for plainer areas of Punjab, while the tracked ones can be used extensively in the desert terrain.

Plus, maximum range of fire 50km+ of PLZ-05 / SH-1 are much superior when compared to max 30KM of the A5s.

20KM greater range is one hell of a plus point.

Taking into consideration all these points, Army went for SH-01 instead of PLZ-05 buddy. There are more than one reasons for this.