Pakistan Tests Upgraded Shaheen-1A Missile

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You should prostrate before god in thanks that it did not!



Its the same JF-17 block-II euphoria again..
They take an incremental upgrade as having turned the thing into an F-22.

Although the question of MIRVs and MRVs is debatable since the I in MIRV is for independently targetable ..

So while the ReV's may be all pointed at the same target..they will manoeuvre separately.. and take different trajectories..
Pretty much what many cold war MIRV's were supposed to do.. and hence have increased effectiveness over a target area.

What it does imply is that since this has now been tested on the Shaheen-1..
these upgrades are more than likely going to be applied across the Shaheen series and all systems developed at NESCOM.
The KRL Ghauri series will fall back to second line systems and will eventually be phased out.

Yes! the Ghauri series will be the waste of money cuz it uses liquid fuel and are not so handy.....more heavy and bulky, hard to maintain for war......

 

[DARKY]

Have you gone made? XYZ said Blah Blah and you instantly believed because it suited your propaganda? What part of Intermediate Missile does not get into your brain? 1200-1500 Km is the latest version. Upgraded it's accuracy which mean Less CEP and for the sake of your LORD KRISHNA. Read previous pages, Some Ex General quoted 4000 Range which is entirely wrong and we have refuted this range in previous pages. SO stop BS'ing yourself and making others annoying.

And also put some sense in your brain when next you claim that Generals are making baseless claims while None of the Generals who are involved with missile program said anything or any other general. One Ex-GENERAL who made this claim was retired 18 years ago.

Its your countrymen who have lost sleep over the intermediate range issue... intermediate range is not 1000-1500km.. but 2500-5500km which lies between short range and long range..

Intermediate-range ballistic missile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

neither does this makes your Shaheen 1A fly more than 1000km.. In fact its range would still be around 700km.. If it carries the same amount of payload and not a reduced one.. there is no modification done on the missile body Its still the old shaheen.. without those small canards(unless the weight is reduced substantially by the use of composite casings but in this case the weight has rather increased according to source and links posted)... Its your Generals and officials who are claiming nonsense...increasing the range of missile is not a big issue here... I can explain how its done in solid fuel missile but that would go over your head.

Now on the accuracy part.. care to explain what was put inside the last stage to make it more accurate or what kind of guidance was used through which the small thrusters correct the course in space.. or what CEP has the missile been able to achieve on the basis of deflection in degree per hour.

What time the missile took to reach its target and what trajectory did it follow...(the height of apogee..etc..).. before reaching the conclusion that the missile is the improved version and not just another version... until you have the answers of the following for your ALLAH's sake stop concluding baseless conclusions like imaginary range figures and alien abilities(such as being invisible to radar).

 

[Peregrine]

Its your countrymen who have lost sleep over the intermediate range issue... intermediate range is not 1000-1500km.. but 2500-5500km which lies between short range and long range..

Even if the rumors, regarding this missile having intermediate range are preposterous, then to be precise, Pakistani's are dreaming not losing sleep. The only one's losing sleep over this are indians, attempting 24/7 to prove that they know more about this missile. And even after making your point, you people can't resist coming here. Seriously that's sick, in an obsessive kind of way.

 

[Emmie]

Its your countrymen who have lost sleep over the intermediate range issue... intermediate range is not 1000-1500km.. but 2500-5500km which lies between short range and long range..

Intermediate range ballistic missiles are also known as long range ballistic missiles therefore IRBM lies between medium range and ICBM.

neither does this makes your Shaheen 1A fly more than 1000km.. In fact its range would still be around 700km.. If it carries the same amount of payload and not a reduced one.. there is no modification done on the missile body Its still the old shaheen

Care to explain??

 

[SQ8]

Its your countrymen who have lost sleep over the intermediate range issue... intermediate range is not 1000-1500km.. but 2500-5500km which lies between short range and long range..

Intermediate-range ballistic missile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

neither does this makes your Shaheen 1A fly more than 1000km.. In fact its range would still be around 700km.. If it carries the same amount of payload and not a reduced one.. there is no modification done on the missile body Its still the old shaheen.. without those small canards(unless the weight is reduced substantially by the use of composite casings but in this case the weight has rather increased according to source and links posted)... Its your Generals and officials who are claiming nonsense...increasing the range of missile is not a big issue here... I can explain how its done in solid fuel missile but that would go over your head.

Now on the accuracy part.. care to explain what was put inside the last stage to make it more accurate or what kind of guidance was used through which the small thrusters correct the course in space.. or what CEP has the missile been able to achieve on the basis of deflection in degree per hour.

What time the missile took to reach its target and what trajectory did it follow...(the height of apogee..etc..).. before reaching the conclusion that the missile is the improved version and not just another version... until you have the answers of the following for your ALLAH's sake stop concluding baseless conclusions like imaginary range figures and alien abilities(such as being invisible to radar).

All wonderful holier than thou words..but can you prove otherwise that it is not all that is stated?
just by looking at the picture or video?

 

[Bratva]

Its your countrymen who have lost sleep over the intermediate range issue... intermediate range is not 1000-1500km.. but 2500-5500km which lies between short range and long range..

Intermediate-range ballistic missile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

neither does this makes your Shaheen 1A fly more than 1000km.. In fact its range would still be around 700km.. If it carries the same amount of payload and not a reduced one.. there is no modification done on the missile body Its still the old shaheen.. without those small canards(unless the weight is reduced substantially by the use of composite casings but in this case the weight has rather increased according to source and links posted)... Its your Generals and officials who are claiming nonsense...increasing the range of missile is not a big issue here... I can explain how its done in solid fuel missile but that would go over your head.

Now on the accuracy part.. care to explain what was put inside the last stage to make it more accurate or what kind of guidance was used through which the small thrusters correct the course in space.. or what CEP has the missile been able to achieve on the basis of deflection in degree per hour.

What time the missile took to reach its target and what trajectory did it follow...(the height of apogee..etc..).. before reaching the conclusion that the missile is the improved version and not just another version... until you have the answers of the following for your ALLAH's sake stop concluding baseless conclusions like imaginary range figures and alien abilities(such as being invisible to radar).

have you made shaheeen 1 A that you are making the most idotic comments that missile has not improved? Have you seen the inner side of shaheen where updates and improvements have been made actually?

Officials did not disclose any of the updates they have done with missile so your claims based on exteriors of missile is same so no improvement made is the most desperate attempt on your part.

Let me put some sense in to you. Ghauri is irbm having range of 1500. So when shaheen 1 A is declared IRBM by official army press release. Everone assumed it has a range of 1500 km. So when you don't know about the facts and figures of pakistani missiles, dont make desperate claims that we are imagining or making up claims

Dr.Samar mubarikmand, shaheen 1 missile program supervisior in an interview said shaheen 1 cep is around 15-20 meter. So improved accuracy must have put its accuracy at 10-15 m.


And all in all, why are you qouting some members who are making baseless claims of invisiible to radar or having range greater than 2000?

When you know, pakistan army didnot discloe anything yet about alpha updates why are you idiotocally asking same thing again and again.if you dont believe any update is made, then we are not forcing you to believe,except stop irritating us with your foolish repetitve arguments.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I think Pakistan is trying to fully master the re-entry technology of the warhead, after ICBM shouldn't be a major issue after all.

 

[The Deterrent]

Its your countrymen who have lost sleep over the intermediate range issue... intermediate range is not 1000-1500km.. but 2500-5500km which lies between short range and long range..

Intermediate-range ballistic missile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

neither does this makes your Shaheen 1A fly more than 1000km.. In fact its range would still be around 700km.. If it carries the same amount of payload and not a reduced one.. there is no modification done on the missile body Its still the old shaheen.. without those small canards(unless the weight is reduced substantially by the use of composite casings but in this case the weight has rather increased according to source and links posted)... Its your Generals and officials who are claiming nonsense...increasing the range of missile is not a big issue here... I can explain how its done in solid fuel missile but that would go over your head.

Now on the accuracy part.. care to explain what was put inside the last stage to make it more accurate or what kind of guidance was used through which the small thrusters correct the course in space.. or what CEP has the missile been able to achieve on the basis of deflection in degree per hour.

What time the missile took to reach its target and what trajectory did it follow...(the height of apogee..etc..).. before reaching the conclusion that the missile is the improved version and not just another version... until you have the answers of the following for your ALLAH's sake stop concluding baseless conclusions like imaginary range figures and alien abilities(such as being invisible to radar).

Err dude...You want the details, released officially by the Army, right? We get it...

I am surprised that being in touch with Pakistani missiles news for so long, you still expect them to release any details.
An upgrade is an upgrade if it is said so. Dont believe if you dont want to.

If the missile is officially designated an upgrade with a separate name, I'm sure that it has undergone massive upgrading. You really expect Pakistan not to do any upgrading on a missile, which was first test fired 12 years ago???

Of course we had to upgrade it!

 

[Thorough Pro]

Hi,

My brothers here are still focussed on range and have missed the most important aspect of the new missile, which is the ability to carry multiple warheads.
1. 1 nuclear warhead of 300 kg + 1 conventinal warhead of 600 kg (or three nuclear warheads of 300 kg each)
2. Advanced fule giving higher speed (less time for the enemy to counter)
3. higher range 750 -> 1000 (33% increase, same tech applied to ShaheenII would increase its range to 2500->3300 KM)
4. Advanced ECM to provide more stealth.

One last request, DO NOT RESPOND TO TROLLS, Ijust ignore them.. thanks.

 

[Last Hope]

Hi,

My brothers here are still focussed on range and have missed the most important aspect of the new missile, which is the ability to carry multiple warheads.
1. 1 nuclear warhead of 300 kg + 1 conventinal warhead of 600 kg (or three nuclear warheads of 300 kg each)
2. Advanced fule giving higher speed (less time for the enemy to counter)
3. higher range 750 -> 1000 (33% increase, same tech applied to ShaheenII would increase its range to 2500->3300 KM)
4. Advanced ECM to provide more stealth.

One last request, DO NOT RESPOND TO TROLLS, Ijust ignore them.. thanks.

Please. The range is not 1000. A official, who would like to be kept anonymous, stated the figure to be between 2,500 and upto 3,000 and said that this now is the longest-range missile in Pakistan's inventory.

 

[laiqs@mi]

 

[Zarvan]

Please. The range is not 1000. A official, who would like to be kept anonymous, stated the figure to be between 2,500 and upto 3,000 and said that this now is the longest-range missile in Pakistan's inventory.

Sir the range is not 2500 to 3000 still not clear many news papers are reporting it to be 1500 KM

 

[DARKY]

have you made shaheeen 1 A that you are making the most idotic comments that missile has not improved? Have you seen the inner side of shaheen where updates and improvements have been made actually?

Officials did not disclose any of the updates they have done with missile so your claims based on exteriors of missile is same so no improvement made is the most desperate attempt on your part.

Let me put some sense in to you. Ghauri is irbm having range of 1500. So when shaheen 1 A is declared IRBM by official army press release. Everone assumed it has a range of 1500 km. So when you don't know about the facts and figures of pakistani missiles, dont make desperate claims that we are imagining or making up claims

Dr.Samar mubarikmand, shaheen 1 missile program supervisior in an interview said shaheen 1 cep is around 15-20 meter. So improved accuracy must have put its accuracy at 10-15 m.


And all in all, why are you qouting some members who are making baseless claims of invisiible to radar or having range greater than 2000?

When you know, pakistan army didnot discloe anything yet about alpha updates why are you idiotocally asking same thing again and again.if you dont believe any update is made, then we are not forcing you to believe,except stop irritating us with your foolish repetitve arguments.

One get a little idea by looking at the picture and keeping in mind the state of R&D in Pakistan.
The missile clearly doesn't show weight reduction methods.. If it somehow exists then its being delliberately hidden with another layer of metal and paint.

Gauri 1 and 2 both are MRBM
Ghauri (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pakistan's Missile Technology

I am only saying that the missile is just another version of Shaheen 1 weather or not its upgraded can only be said once the specs come out...
Musharraf approves another missile test
for example they can install GPS guidance inside the missile and make it have a very good CEP... you can call that some upgrade but the real upgrade would a new INS and Guidance which has improved upon the older ones in the missile.. (GPS are jammed very easily these days even Iran and NK does it)... Increased weight, MRV and a conventional warhead system... although a few things like post separation trajectory and altitude correction system can be termed as improvement if the earlier shaheen 1 didn't have that which is highly doubtful since it is having a CEP of 25-50m.

 

[Arsalan]

News Video:

Launch Video:

 

[Last Hope]

Sir the range is not 2500 to 3000 still not clear many news papers are reporting it to be 1500 KM

Would you believe in the journalists or officials?
Dawn news, AFP, APP, BBC all quote the officials stating the range to be between 2500-3000 (which could be further increased to 3500 but that would be at cost of lower warhead).

General Talat Masood, told AFP intermediate range ballistic missiles could reach targets up to 2,500 to 3,000 kilometres away.