Pakistan terror wave sparks rare criticism of Saudi Arabia!

[Levina]

High time!!!
This introspection has a come bit late, it took Pakistan the supreme sacrifice of 100 innocent souls to realise the root cause of disturbance in the country.
But they say "its never too late".
About Saudi, only they could tell the motivation behind their actions.

 

[asad71]

It's easy - and perhaps satisfying to some, to blast the Saudis just because they are rich. Let us look at this in this way. A hungry person will try all means to get food.

 

[chhota bheem]

It's easy - and perhaps satisfying to some, to blast the Saudis just because they are rich. Let us look at this in this way. A hungry person will try all means to get food.

No one is blaming KSA for the food,but the extra salt and chille or something else they add in the food,which is slowly killing the body.

 

[Al Bhatti]

SAudi money continues to reach the LEJ and Jundullah. LEJ leaders themselves have admitted to this monumental fact.

Sir,


Or shall i say, Pakistani Authorities are not capable to work to make sure the money "coming from outside" is not used for wrong purposes.

They cannot run a country then. It is not something new that our authorities cannot run the nation properly utilizing all it's resources for the best of the nation and work with at least 80%+ efficiency, or tell me otherwise.

 

[anant_s]

Thank God, this "criticism" of "untouchable" Saudi Arabia was long overdue.

Lets hope govt. understands that any charitable or otherwise monetary help doesn't amount to purchasing a nation's sovereignty. Good move!

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

The two countries, both with majority Sunni Muslim populations, are bound together by shared Islamic religious ties. PHOTO: REUTERS

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have long enjoyed close relations, but Islamabad’s new-found resolve for fighting the root causes of extremism has seen the Gulf state come in for rare criticism.

The two countries, both with majority Sunni Muslim populations, are bound together by shared Islamic religious ties, financial aid from oil-rich Saudi and Pakistan military assistance to the kingdom.

But a Taliban massacre at a school that killed more than 150 people in December, mostly children, has led the government to crack down on militants and talk of bringing religious seminaries under tighter control.

Now the country’s media and even government ministers have begun to question whether support from Saudi Arabia for seminaries, known as madrassas, is fuelling violent extremism – bringing tension to the relationship for the first time.

Last week the Saudi embassy issued a statement saying that all its donations to seminaries had government clearance, after a minister accused the Riyadh government of creating instability across the Muslim world.

The Pakistani foreign ministry responded by saying that funding by private individuals through “informal channels” would also be scrutinised closely to try to choke off funding for terror groups.

While the statement avoided mentioning Saudi Arabia specifically, it was widely interpreted as a rebuke.

Away from the seminaries, there has also been widespread criticism of the decision to allow Saudi royals to hunt the rare houbara bustard, prized in the Middle East for its supposed aphrodisiac properties, in the southern provinces of Sindh and Baluchistan.

Officials granted permission to hunt the bird, which is on the International Union for Conservation of Nature’s “red list” of threatened species, in defiance of a court order, prompting allegations that the government prized its lucrative ties to Riyadh over its own wildlife.

Badar Alam, editor of Herald magazine, said the recent wave of criticism was unprecedented.

“Saudi has vast commercial and economic interests in Pakistan. There are open questions being asked on this relationship,” he said.

“Before, nobody would ask any questions in any manner. Now even the Urdu press is asking questions.”

Donors in Saudi Arabia have long been accused of quietly funding terror groups sympathetic to the kingdom’s hardline version of Sunni Islam.

Leaked diplomatic cables by then-US secretary of State Hillary Clinton in 2009 said Saudi Arabian donors were “the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide”.

The cable cited the Taliban, Al-Qaeda and Pakistan’s Sunni Muslim sectarian militants Lashkar-e-Jhangvi as examples of where funds were being channelled.

Linked to the funding is Saudi Arabia’s long geostrategic struggle with Iran, the key Shia Muslim power in the region.

Nawaz Sharif, Pakistan’s current prime minister, enjoys particularly close ties with the Saudi royal family, which hosted him during his almost decade-long exile from Pakistan following his ouster by then military ruler Pevez Musharraf.

And last year the government said it had received a $1.5 billion “gift” from a friendly Muslim nation, widely thought by experts to be in fact a loan from Saudi Arabia.

But Najmuddin Sheikh, a former foreign secretary and ambassador, said the December attack on an army school in Peshawar, which left 153 people dead including 134 children, had opened the door for criticism.

“This has been triggered by Peshawar and a strong feeling that much of the terrorism that is here is being financed by outside countries,” he said.

“Countries like Kuwait, UAE and Qatar must also do much more at home to curtail this.”

But, he added, any efforts to cut back on foreign funding for extremist seminaries must go hand in hand with similar efforts at home.

He said this would include the state dropping its links with proxy groups that have historically been used by the military establishment to further strategic goals in Afghanistan and Indian-administered Kashmir.

“Our fund collection within Pakistan remains unimpeded. If you want more from abroad you need to do more at home,” he said.

A senior government official, speaking on condition of anonymity, agreed.

“We didn’t need the Saudis to radicalise us, we have geared ourselves to that,” he said.

And while the current mood may be critical of Riyadh, the official said in the long run the relationship was too important and too beneficial to jeopardise.

“There is no change in policy. Both the Sharif government and the military are very much on board with Saudis. Actual policy is not likely to change,” he said.
Pakistan terror wave sparks rare criticism of Saudi Arabia – The Express Tribune

Thank God, this "criticism" of "untouchable" Saudi Arabia was long overdue. Now I am pretty sure Pakistan won't be providing Saudis with nukes (as part of their holy deal) in case Iran acquires them first!

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Why was Pakistan quiet on this for a pretty long time?

 

[Gandh brandi]

Why was Pakistan quiet on this for a pretty long time?

Then who would've funded pakistan's nuclear programme?

 

[Diggy]

i have been saying it , there is ample proof to suggest saudi involvement in spreading radicalism and terror in pakistan & india . Saudi arabia is not a country which it looks on the surface with being a close ally of US , there are many terror sympathizers in this country .

 

[Gandh brandi]

It's easy - and perhaps satisfying to some, to blast the Saudis just because they are rich. Let us look at this in this way. A hungry person will try all means to get food.

 

[Diggy]

There is no free lunch, you knew exactly what you were getting from Saudis,you wanted Money from them.The Saudis knew exactly what they wanted to do in Pakistan with their Money,that is spreading of Wahabi Ideology.Pakistan is neck deep in it,they cannot go back now, Neither will there be Government control of Madarassas funded by Middle eastern nations.
The aftermath of Peshawar is because, Kids belonging to Army men and officers kids were killed not some poor mans kids,as long as Poor mans dies Army won't care,they will keep playing "Good Taliban,Bad Taliban".
Only when they were directly affected,did they gather resolve to do Zarb-e-Arb(that too is not sure how successful it was).

One Lal Masjid which was small when compared to Zarb-e-Arb, created TTP and many splinter groups,think how many groups will be formed after this Zarb-e-Arb operation is over,the militants will bide time till the heat passes, then they will emerge out of the woodwork.

It's upto Pakistan to decide what is a bigger priority first,
1)Finish the border dispute with India recognize Loc as International Border and have a chance of setting their house in order and live in peace,looking after the welfare of its citizens.
or
2)Continue waging proxy war in India, while suffering setbacks at home from TTP and god knows which other groups in future with the risk of destabilizing its state and lose grip over its provinces.
Their choice.

Excellent post

 

[Indian Patriot]

Resolve the border issue with India? Leave no avenue for Indian media to score its ratings!! Are you mad man, the economy of India would collapse.

The Indian media does not run Indian economy.

Peace with India should be the goal for Pakistan. The ties with China, Saudi Arabaia, creation of Taliban, the communalisation of Pakistan has all been directly or indirectly influenced by Pakistan's animosity towards India.

Pakistan wanted to portray itself as the sword of the Islamic ummah, the perceived notion in Pakistan was that in return for Saudi oil+funds Pakistan would act as the military arm of the Islamic state in the gulf. So far so good. Zia ul Haq wanted to consolidate his power and tap into the new breed of radical Islamic ideology sponsored by US in the wake of Soviet invasion in Afghanistan. Tens of thousands of Afghan refugees entered Pakistan and were radicalised in Pakistani refugee camps. Zia had an unofficial army of many thousands. So far so good again. Next is the close proximity with China, the new all weather friend of Pakistan who delivered weapons and is building a port in Pakistan. So far the Chinese have not yet demanded their returns but they will.

The Pakistanis yet again were caught in their short-term profit, long-term loss dilemma. The Saudi funds for Pakistani madrassa brainwashed Pakistani youth who have their own idea of government. The radicalisation of Pakistan by Zia ul Haq indirectly helped the Saudis. Today is TTP and other extremist groups have a steady source of manpower then the Saudi funds and radicalisation of Pakistani society is to be blamed.

The Chinese now practically control the balance of Pakistani economy. Pakistan is dependent on China. From infrastructure to nuclear power everything in Pakistan is run on the blessings of China. This again will bring future consequences because it is never good for one country to be so dependent on another.

 

[Diggy]

How come LOC got involved here? We are talking about Saudis not Indians!

It is mate , it gives you a lot more time & resources to clean up yourself internally . Currently pak army's whole apparatus is dedicated to fighting india in kashmir which gives these home grown terrorists that space to operate . And some points made by wolfschanzze on why saudis are helping you financially are damn right . Nothing comes for free , everything has a pricetag

 

[Gandh brandi]

i have been saying it , there is ample proof to suggest saudi involvement in spreading radicalism and terror in pakistan & india . Saudi arabia is not a country which it looks on the surface with being a close ally of US , there are many terror sympathizers in this country .

Everyone knows it, but none wants to say it out loud. Why? Hint: Modern civilization needs Hydrocarbon. I say invest heavily on alternative fuel and revert them to the desert-crawlers they once were. Read history. They gave us almost nothing but misery. Almost every Muslim achievement was beget without them. The Iraqis, the Iranis, the Turks and the Kurds were the ones who gave something every Muslim ever wanted to boast about.

 

[Indian Patriot]

The Saudi oil-weapon can be neutralised overnight if the west wants. But that would mean propping up Russia their hated enemy. One 9/11 notwithstanding the US and west are indifferent to extremist Islam in the middle east. Americans and Europeans are not getting killed so they don't care. A case of near genocide forced US to intervene against ISIS but they did that through dropped humanitarian aid and evacuation of refugees, no military muscle involved.

Only after ISIS started beheading US and Europeans did the air strikes begin.

USA is not dumb, they know what the Saudis are up to. As long as they have access to middle east oil and influence on regional politics they don't care. Wahhabi ideology threatens local countries, not America. Americans will calmly go on drilling oil while the others fight and bleed. That is called real politik.

 

[Diggy]

Everyone knows it, but none wants to say it out loud. Why? Hint: Modern civilization needs Hydrocarbon. I say invest heavily on alternative fuel and revert them to the desert-crawlers they once were. Read history. They gave us almost nothing but misery. Almost every Muslim achievement was beget without them. The Iraqis, the Iranis, the Turks and the Kurds were the ones who gave something every Muslim ever wanted to boast about.

tell you what mate , i respect iranians a lot . They are pretty smart & patriotic people . Even your country is way better than this country of terror sympathizers .

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P.S why do you tag indian trolls in our internal/domestic issues? Even now you have tagged like 90% indians!

saudi money has been creating some trouble in the indian subcontinent for a very long time , so this not just about you .

i was going through this thread started by one of your members

Pakistan before 90s (Coloured Photos)

what happened ? i am sure your leaders screwed up but you can't ignore the fact that saudi oil money has played an important role in this shift . And they are doing the same in our country , funding madrasahs to propogate their garbage ideology , i am sure they might have some plans for even bangladesh . Its time we put aside our differences and deal with this problem jointly before shit hits the fan .

And i commend pakistani politicians for finally realizing this problem .