Pakistan successfully tests Babur 2 Cruise Missile.

[alwaysfair]

This one uses satellite imagery taken before and follows a set path comparing the contours and features onboard to the real time . Needs good processing .
At sea i have no idea as the target will be moving.

 

[The SC]

I am sure its being noticed alright . In addition to the "sea targets", the main component of that is the Digital Area matching system, aka, Satellite pictures of sea assets fed into this system, and it can hunt it down in the ocean on its own like 430 miles out (700 KMs). Even if the GPS system was taken out. This range covers the entire EEZ of Pakistan and on the otherwise, all the way to the Indian ports. So this can directly be sent to Indian ports to take out any Indian naval units, way before they can even enter the Pakistani waters. This is pretty big news for Pakistan in terms of strategic threat perception and neutralization.

That's pretty advance and makes this system on par with a few most advanced systems in the world.

What about moving targets?
It will; work against a blockade though..when enemy ships are almost stationary..

 

[DJ_Viper]

What about moving targets?
It will; work against a blockade though..when enemy ships are almost stationary..

Sir, ships are a moving target.... when they say "sea targets", they aren't referring to parked vessels

 

[The SC]

Sir, ships are a moving target.... when they say "sea targets", they aren't referring to parked vessels

I was answering your post. I hope you did read it!
"the main component of that is the Digital Area matching system, aka, Satellite pictures of sea assets fed into this system, and it can hunt it down in the ocean on its own like 430 miles out (700 KMs). Even if the GPS system was taken out. This range covers the entire EEZ of Pakistan and on the otherwise, all the way to the Indian ports"
Do you mean they will hit the ports? because hitting an individual ship you need a homing device..

 

[Fenrir]

Can any one tell How big VLS system is need in ships to fit this missile on them ?

Babur is the size of Tomahawk. Tomahawk only fits in the deepest MK41 cells.

Therefore, Babur would need a VLS of similar size.

Another option is to keep a system similar to the current Babur tel. Tomahawk used to be packed onto ships in armored box launchers, like were found on the reactivated Iowa class battleships.

They're pretty big, so as @Oscar notes, space on the helipad would need to be allocated to fit such a launcher.

Since your ships are too small for the VLS farm of the Burkes or similar sized ships, a smaller 8 or 16 cell, like is found on the Nansen class frigates might be an option. Perhaps not right behind the gun, maybe somewhere on either side of the superstructure, but it's doable regardless.

Something like the MK48 Mod 0 which can be placed where there is space.

At sea i have no idea as the target will be moving.

They'd have to use a form of TERCOM called Automatic Target Recognition. Like TERCOM, the missile is loaded with the known profiles of ships and automatically ids, tracks and attacks the ship based on data it stores inside and matches. These profiles can be radar signatures, IR, electromagnetic, acoustic or any other profile type. It requires major processing power and for the missile and operating nation to know the signatures of the ships it's trying to attack, but it can id, track and target ships in real-time, where as TERCOM is most suited for targeting static targets like runways or bunkers

Modern missiles like LRASM and NSM use this type of guidance. GPS gets you to an area. ATR, IR or active radar homing get you to a specific ship.

Satellite cuing has been used for real-time targeting too. A2A engagements using satellite tracking and guidance of AIM-120 and AIM-9 have taken place as an augment to radar or IR guidance, which are easier to fool or jam then satellites.

 

[ISI-1]

So we should make long range missiles. thats my point

Alhumdulillah, Paak already has capability and technology, inappropriate to disclose any information at this point. InshaALLAH, when the time is right, all will be divulged.

 

[Aasimkhan]

Here you go guys.

Can it sink their aircraft carrier?

 

[Khanate]

No, they were talking about the Babur..sea launch is almost a certainty in the near future..

I thought you said Babur has an air launched version?

 

[DJ_Viper]

I was answering your post. I hope you did read it!
"the main component of that is the Digital Area matching system, aka, Satellite pictures of sea assets fed into this system, and it can hunt it down in the ocean on its own like 430 miles out (700 KMs). Even if the GPS system was taken out. This range covers the entire EEZ of Pakistan and on the otherwise, all the way to the Indian ports"
Do you mean they will hit the ports? because hitting an individual ship you need a homing device..

Sir, its a projectile, what's fed into it, whether moving or stationary, it will try to do its job and will take it out. Unless the target's defensive systems identify this thing coming and will try to take it out first. But the digital matching really means that if you fed it a recent image of the target and it is intelligent enough to understand dimensions, colors, weights, layout, etc, and when it reaches the target area, if there are multiple objects, it will try to match the one in its memory and will only hit that one.

Let's say you fire this on a destroyer and the destroyer is either parked or moving with 6 frigates next to it. This system upon reaching the area will match the picture with the real objects (things I mentioned earlier, aka, the intelligence), and will take the destroyer out, not worrying about the frigates. Thanks

 

[alwaysfair]

Technogainist bhaiya , understood what you are saying . Missile has to reach general area of the ship through gps and then the short range methods are used for individual ship recognition. And Pakistan has developed this level of sophisticated tech ? Ok.

 

[Aasimkhan]

I have personally seen air to air footage captured from a chase aircraft right up to the impact on target, but for some reason it's kept confidential. Even in today's test one can see the missile in mid-flight .

Terminal and impact phase reveals many classified information that is why it is not released normally, I remember when us launched B2 bomber photographers were not allowed to capture pictures of its rear to hide the details of thrust vectoring exhaust nozzles

I'm waiting for a confirmation of anti shipping capabilities. If it's true, we just built a superweapon.

If it is true then we just built a safety wall of 700 km around our sea shore, indian surface ships will not risk coming within 700 km range, however submarines are a different ball game

 

[graphican]

Terminal and impact phase reveals many classified information that is why it is not released normally, I remember when us launched B2 bomber photographers were not allowed to capture pictures of its rear to hide the details of thrust vectoring exhaust nozzles


If it is true then we just built a safety wall of 700 km around our sea shore, indian surface ships will not risk coming within 700 km range, however submarines are a different ball game

India had sent their submarine into Pakistani waters and had it shunned out. With China in Arabian Sea, there will be even more anti-submarine radars in place to take care of underwater vehicles.

CPEC has changed situation of Arabian Sea remarkably.. instead of Pakistan, India would be worried about Chinese presence in its waters.

 

[Aasimkhan]

India had sent their submarine into Pakistani waters and had it shunned out. With China in Arabian Sea, there will be even more anti-submarine radars in place to take care of underwater vehicles.

CPEC has changed situation of Arabian Sea remarkably.. instead of Pakistan, India would be worried about Chinese presence in its waters.

May be we can lay an underwater chain of listening dwvices and passive sonars to monitor movement of indian subs in our waters

 

[The SC]

Sir, its a projectile, what's fed into it, whether moving or stationary, it will try to do its job and will take it out. Unless the target's defensive systems identify this thing coming and will try to take it out first. But the digital matching really means that if you fed it a recent image of the target and it is intelligent enough to understand dimensions, colors, weights, layout, etc, and when it reaches the target area, if there are multiple objects, it will try to match the one in its memory and will only hit that one.

Let's say you fire this on a destroyer and the destroyer is either parked or moving with 6 frigates next to it. This system upon reaching the area will match the picture with the real objects (things I mentioned earlier, aka, the intelligence), and will take the destroyer out, not worrying about the frigates. Thanks

It is possible with live feed for a moving target, at least at the final stage.., we are not talking about stationary targets, those will be handled like ground targets..and as you describe it..

 

[Khafee]

http://www.dnd.com.pk/pakistan-successfully-tests-babur-weapon-system-version-2/120995
Pakistan successfully tests Babur Weapon System version – 2
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DND
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December 14, 2016
RAWALPINDI, Pakistan: Pakistan on Wednesday conducted a successful test of an enhanced version of the indigenously developed Babur Cruise Missile, according to the Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR).

The ISPR said that Babur Weapon System version – 2 incorporates advanced aerodynamics and avionics that can strike targets both at land and sea with high accuracy at a range of 700 kilometers.

It is a low flying, terrain hugging missile which carries certain stealth features and is capable of carrying various types of warheads.

Equipped with state of the art navigational technologies of Terrain Contour Matching (TERCOM) and all time Digital Scene Matching & Area Co-relation (DSMAC) which enables it to engage various type of targets with pinpoint accuracy even in the absence of GPS navigation. Babur Weapon System is an important force multiplier for Pakistan’s strategic defence.

Today’s launch was witnessed by the Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (CJCSC) General Zubair Mahmood Hayat, senior officers from Strategic Plans Division, Strategic Forces, scientists and engineers of strategic organizations.

The CJCSC congratulated the scientists and engineers on achieving yet another milestone of great value and significance. He appreciated the technical prowess, dedication and commitment of scientists who contributed to the success of this launch.

Expressing his full confidence over the Strategic Command and Control System and the Strategic Forces’ operational preparedness, CJCSC stated that this test further strengthens Pakistan’s Deterrence Capability.

President Mamnoon Hussain and Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif have congratulated the scientists and engineers on successful conduct of today’s missile test.

Please see items in Red. IF Babur -2 is a minor upgrade, then what is the top tier so happy about?

Green Bleeders - Do note.

Satellite cuing has been used for real-time targeting too. A2A engagements using satellite tracking and guidance of AIM-120 and AIM-9 have taken place as an augment to radar or IR guidance, which are easier to fool or jam then satellites.

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