Pakistan Successfully Tested Babur 3 Cruise Missile launch from Submarine : ISPR

[Rashid Mahmood]

@Rashid Mahmood please clarify about launch platform. ISPR said launched from submarine while members here saying not from sub? My personal info tells me all PN subs are capable of firing this version of SLCM but only A-90Bs would be used for SLCM due to wear n tear issue with A-70s, m I right?

Agosta 90B.
I already have clarified.
Some members are still doubtful, so let it be, as it also helps.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Dear friend those Exocet and YJ082 are tube launched but Babur 3 is a step ahead. It is stealth. Those counter measures will never get a chance to be deployed.

you are first to be develop stealth SLCM and stealth CM doesn't meant that its a invincible missile for all enemy sensors and divices

 

[BHarwana]

you are first to be develop stealth SLCM and stealth CM doesn't meant that its a invincible missile for all enemy sensors and divices

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/russia-test-unstoppable-satan-2-7935675
this is the link of the news paper Mirror where there is a missile SATAN 2 is reported about. Please read.
There is a state of matter named plasma. When a space shuttle reenters earths atmosphere the outer skin of the shuttle which is made of ceramic tiles achives that state due to heat and friction and at that point it immune to all RADARS so please get some knowledge.

 

[Burhan Wani]

Mostly I miss the live coverage of big news because of this time difference.

Stay tuned on PDF. We are here to keep you updated.

what poop are you talkin about?

Check the post shared related to Khaleej time. Khaleej time wrote on news headlines that India Launched SLCM and show pictures of Babur. Yesterday.

Some people are realllllly buuuuuurning


How are you?

Late comers.

 

[Fenrir]

you are first to be develop stealth SLCM and stealth CM doesn't meant that its a invincible missile for all enemy sensors and divices

To say Babur is a stealthy platform is questionable and would require a further look at more sensitive features, but some do lead to conclusions that can be inferred. Babur has a round body similar to Tomahawk, but without Tomahawk's redesigned low-RCS nose. This design element is not present on previous iterations of Tomahawk, but was introduced into the Tomahawk Block IV which is capable of land-attack, anti-shipping and is being upgraded to better attack moving targets.

Babur - taken from the test video.

Early Tomahawk

Tomahawk Block IV - notice the reshaped nose? It's an RCS reduction feature.

Babur, like Tomahawk has a cruciform tail and straight wings. It's shaping doesn't show any stealthy considerations - round with many straight edges and planes. Now it could have RAM paint which helps, and greatly increases the cost of the missile, but that doesn't make a platform invisible, it just helps to reduce the distance at which a platform is detected for a given wavelength. Optimize wrong and you'll still be lit up light a Christmas tree.

What Babur does have is a small profile and terrain hugging/sea-skimming capability which helps mask it from sensors like IIR, Electro-Optical or Radar scanners, but that's inherent to most modern missiles.

In terms of actual stealth optimized submarine launched cruise missiles you're looking at NSM-SL which was designed from the ground up to maximize all aspect stealth. It has a low IR signature, a radar cross section reducing airframe and uses composites to further enhance this effect and does not use active seekers like active radar homing and relies strictly on passive guidance like DSMAC, dual-band IIR and home-on-ECM.

Babur is more similar to Tomahawk and SCALP Naval and likely features some signature reduction techniques like passive guidance using GPS or internal navigation which limit the effectiveness of electronic countermeasures and make the missile's approach less noticeable then using active homing, and it likely has some form of IR suppression too, but it's profile does not indicate radar cross section reduction unless using RAM.

I wouldn't call it a "stealth" platform like I would NSM, but it has elements which make it less detectable too.

Irrespective this represents a major step forward for Pakistan and forces India to invest further in missile countermeasures and early-warning sensors which are expensive and need to be deployed enmass to achieve the desirable coverage. The missile is most often cheaper then the countermeasures.

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BHarwana has made many questionable claims and assertions. I've wanted to address several but felt it would be unproductive. I'd recommend you not engage them anymore for both your and the threads sake.

 

[Burhan Wani]

really, or is that fiction?

Based on my desires.

 

[Moonlight]

Stay tuned on PDF. We are here to keep you updated

I might miss it then. This person is going to be extremely busy in upcoming days.

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

Can SAMs work in submarine via VLS? And , Can radar work when submarine is submerged? Sorry for noob question

No.

 

[Ultima Thule]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/russia-test-unstoppable-satan-2-7935675
this is the link of the news paper Mirror where there is a missile SATAN 2 is reported about. Please read.
There is a state of matter named plasma. When a space shuttle reenters earths atmosphere the outer skin of the shuttle which is made of ceramic tiles achives that state due to heat and friction and at that point it immune to all RADARS so please get some knowledge.

Plasma stealth is useless because its absorb all electromagnetic radiations, so if we put plasma generators on missiles, Jets how can we guide it because all missiles, jets using electromagnetic navigation what a genus you are

 

[Burhan Wani]

I might miss it then. This person is going to be extremely busy in upcoming days.

Yes i have a work burden these days. But i am always available on holidays to share wonderful news related to Pakistan Defence here in PDF.

@amardeep mishra ghussa hi kar gaya tou yaar

I was expecting this Sehera kay Mujahid.

 

[BHarwana]

BHarwana has made many questionable claims and assertions. I'd recommend you not engage them anymore for both your and the threads sake.

My claims are base on Russia todays report the Russians were not able to detect it through their RADAR from Irani waters and Similar case was with US as the US and Irani ships fired shots at each other trying to observe the launch so Get a grab with your words. Pakistan was testing the tech. China already had the tube launch system and was easily available to Pakistan but the missile was delayed to make it nuclear capable and stealthy to RADAR.

 

[Hassan Guy]

Me too I'm happy too but now we should go for SLBM development

Yes that should be next

 

[BHarwana]

Plasma stealth is useless because its absorb all electromagnetic radiations, so if we put plasma generators on missiles, Jets how can we guide it because all missiles, jets using electromagnetic navigation what a genus you are

LOL plasma is not generated it is a state achieved and due to which the reentry object is a Hyper glider war head and navigation is done before reentry after that hyper glider act as a falling artillery shell. USA has already admitted it has no counters to defend against hyper gliding warheads currently being developed by Russia and China.

 

[noksss]

Congrats to Pakistan on the launch

 

[Ultima Thule]

My claims are base on Russia todays report the Russians were not able to detect it through their RADAR from Irani waters and Similar case was with US as the US and Irani ships fired shots at each other trying to observe the launch so Get a grab with your words. Pakistan was testing the tech. China already had the tube launch system and was easily available to Pakistan but the missile was delayed to make it nuclear capable and stealthy to RADAR.

Stealth means low RCS "RADAR CROSS SECTION" doesn't means that its a invincible missile to all enemy sensors and devices