Pakistan slams Pentagon, summons US ambassador over report accusing it of harbouring terrorist

[Bratva]

The theory of India funding a proxy war in Pakistan is as proven as the theory that there are aliens out there circling the earth and considering which race of humans makes the best meal. You have one of the best funded intelligence agencies and a highly competent military intelligence structure. They haven't provided a shred of evidence of Indian involvement in your crap. The fact that you have rebellion in your country and particularly on your western areas far far away from India, doesn't necessarily signify Indian involvement.

You have been addressing India in your threatened manner for ages. Look where that has landed you. You raised and fed a few rabid dogs hoping to use them against India when the opportunity presented itself. When those dogs grew large enough, they started attacking you. Now you blame India, Afghanistan, the USA, Mighty Mouse and anybody else who you perceive worth blaming for those dogs behaving in the manner in which they did.

In another thread on this forum, Pakistani members were gloating about the open availability of weapons and ammunition in Pakistan. When we Indians pointed out to them that this was an abnormal society, we were told that those weapons were being stored by the Pakistanis for use against a potential Indian invasion and that Pakistanis are martial unlike the weak Indians who wouldn't take up a fight to defend their country leaving it to their armed forces to do so.I can assure you that in a few years time (going by the current logic of the average Pakistani) when Pakistan turns into further chaos with a full blown civil war , Pakistanis will blame India and Afghanistan for all the mayhem in their country once again claiming that India and Afghanistan are equipping their citizens with arms and ammo to fight each other. This displayed mentality makes us question whether you guys really know what you are doing out there

Just sit back for a moment, think, In 10 year, Afghan insurgency, Were Soviet Union with their best funded and hardcore intel agency KGB able to prove american involvement In afghan resistance ? America Role was to provide Money and weapons through Pakistan. So was russia able to prove monetary and materialistic support ? Or was it the aliens who provided Afghan the weapons and other materialistic support ? Going by your logic, It was a theory back then until America and Pakistan themselves admitted it in mid to late nineties about their involvement.



Now replace or reverse the role in today's context. India Afghanistan Pakistan. The weapons (M-82, Heavy caliber weapons, mortars and tons of explosives coming from Afghanistan side ) baloch and TTP insurgents are using, the sophistication, the communicating gear (SDR, frequency hopping, Location and direction finding devices). So do you think These weapons are being supplied to them by Pakistan army themselves ?

How hard was it to think this crap logically ? We Pakistanis connect dots and make conclusions based on facts available at hand. We are not like you who just sit on their cushy seats and shout conspiracy theories at every chance you get because you dont bother to keep track of your own Intel agencies activites


Afghan intelligence colluding with TTP is proven fact. There collusion with Balochi terrorists is another fact. All the weapons, explosives coming from Afghanistan to Balochistan is another proven fact.

US catches Afghan govt ‘red handed’ in plotting with Pakistani Taliban: Report – The Express Tribune

now tell me who is training and partially funding Afghani intelligence,, Indian Military intelligence right?

US exit: India steps up Afghan army training

The training includes counter-terrorism operations, military field-craft, signals, intelligence, counter-IED, information technology

US exit: India steps up Afghan army training - The Times of India\

Secret military intelligence unit ran 8 covert operations abroad?

Secret military intelligence unit ran 8 covert operations abroad? - The Times of India

MI operatives moved into Tajikistan and later Afghanistan in support of the Ahmad Shah Massoud-led Northern Alliance that overthrew the Taliban in 2001.Besides furthering national strategic goals, MI officials say these 'third country operations' allowed the agency to peep into countries of their immediate interest.

How Indian Army's Military Intelligence Directorate works : Special Report - India Today

Ravi Datt Mehta (1955 – 7 July 2008) was a brigadier in the Indian army. He died in the suicide bombingof the Indian Embassy in Kabul while serving as India's Defence Attaché to Afghanistan on 7 July 2008. Brig. Mehta had earlier also served as the head of the Indian Army's Intelligence Corps in the state of Jammu and Kashmir






So do you think This is all Conspiracy theories made up by some Gray aliens ? It is not my fault if you are thick head and don't keep yourself abreast with whats happening around for a while


Now rest of your rhetoric is blabbering of a desperate person. If pakistani members gloat, then the way Indian members were gloating when Indian Army killed Pakistani civilians last months, I was began to wonder if Indians are sadistics and take pleasure in muslim deaths. So Going by your measuring yard stick, Even I can make ridiculous assumptions about your country men.

 

[karan.1970]

It has become rare to hear anything positive about Pakistan from the mouths of Americans. A huge amount of distrust exists between the two sides. To bridge this distrust statements like the one just made should be avoided.

Let us not forget that it was the United States that formed these terrorists and used them against the Soviets just to see a Soviet defeat without bothering about the human life lost and the carnage which these same so called freedom fighters caused. Over 4 Billion dollars were spent by the US on Afghanistan to create a situation ripe for the invasion of Soviet forces. Once they invaded Soviets were challenged by so called mujahideens which were supported by America.

There is a picture of Haqqani, now a sworn enemy shaking hands with the Americans. I have to wonder why whenever such comments come we don't talk back and tell the world that it is the United States which began what is modern day terrorism by supporting the terrorists of yesterday and warlords who ruined Afghanistan.

Does not absolve Pakistan for first helping USA in that act and then for 3 decades, nurturing the same terrorists as instruments of asymmetric war against India and Afghanistan. Just because someone else did something 35 years back, does not give Pakistan a blank check to continue doing that in the present.

 

[VCheng]

Does not absolve Pakistan for first helping USA in that act and then for 3 decades, nurturing the same terrorists as instruments of asymmetric war against India and Afghanistan. Just because someone else did something 35 years back, does not give Pakistan a blank check to continue doing that in the present.

There is nothing constant in international geopolitics except national interests, however best served.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

For the Americans Islamic terrorism was like some distant African civil war conflicts, prior to 9/11.

Once Americans are hurt, they will try to bomb those responsible back to stone age

 

[Neemo neemo]

The theory of India funding a proxy war in Pakistan is as proven as the theory that there are aliens out there circling the earth and considering which race of humans makes the best meal. You have one of the best funded intelligence agencies and a highly competent military intelligence structure. They haven't provided a shred of evidence of Indian involvement in your crap. The fact that you have rebellion in your country and particularly on your western areas far far away from India, doesn't necessarily signify Indian involvement.

You have been addressing India in your threatened manner for ages. Look where that has landed you. You raised and fed a few rabid dogs hoping to use them against India when the opportunity presented itself. When those dogs grew large enough, they started attacking you. Now you blame India, Afghanistan, the USA, Mighty Mouse and anybody else who you perceive worth blaming for those dogs behaving in the manner in which they did.

In another thread on this forum, Pakistani members were gloating about the open availability of weapons and ammunition in Pakistan. When we Indians pointed out to them that this was an abnormal society, we were told that those weapons were being stored by the Pakistanis for use against a potential Indian invasion and that Pakistanis are martial unlike the weak Indians who wouldn't take up a fight to defend their country leaving it to their armed forces to do so.I can assure you that in a few years time (going by the current logic of the average Pakistani) when Pakistan turns into further chaos with a full blown civil war , Pakistanis will blame India and Afghanistan for all the mayhem in their country once again claiming that India and Afghanistan are equipping their citizens with arms and ammo to fight each other. This displayed mentality makes us question whether you guys really know what you are doing out there

You my dear, deserve a salute.

 

[acid rain]

Again, that is incorrect. USA as the sole superpower will remain engaged globally, including in South Asia. Relative emphases may change in response to an ever changing world, but the engagement will remain.

What's incorrect? The Asian pivor or that the US is quitting the region? US will be engaged in South Asia for sure, there's a policy difference in what they perceive as South Asia and the afg pak region. They are through with the afg pak region....okay some engagement will be there but not to the extent that you envisage.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

guys
I have a suggestion to solve this issue once and for all
we people of Pakistan will really want the end to this proxy wars and we will do what we can to stop it if its happening from Pakistan. we have removed both the Democratic and military dictators from the offices so we shouldn't be taken lightly


oh yea the suggestion

what about instituting a team of say 3 or 4 neutral countries along with the members from India, Pakistan and Afghanistan and America and then Pakistan arrange their visit to all suspected sites where these training camps, or hide outs are, let the teams speak to the people freely and if such places are found they are dismantled on the order of Pakistan supreme court and the responsible people charged. if nothing is found then such allegation be put to rest

once that is done


we move to the interesting part

how about we repeat the process along the Pak Afghan border and visit say Kunar and Nooristan? and get the guys expelled or handed over to Pakistan? charge the complicit Afghans punched by the Afghan government? and see if indeed those Indian cultural centers are doing doing something culturally or are more interested in cross border activities of BLA?

I am not aware of any terrorist camps in India today like in the past there were training MQM camps when MQM was openly fighting against the Pakistan state and the working of Makti bahani terrorist training in India is well known and Indians even brag about it since they got their desired outcome. if there are any Indian terrorist camps in India then they also be visited and dismantled


in summary, the Blackops activities of assassinations, subversion, unrest , funding etc be discontinued and once we have purged these elements then we join hands and curb the funding and inflow of funds and terrorists from central Asia and Middle east .


Or we just ignore everything Pakistan says and only focus on Pakistan and continue to blame it whether or not such places are found or not? (we tried that it didnt work)


trust me Americans and Indians and "innocent peace loving Afghans" we Pakistani people are really fed up with this proxy war because we have suffered a lot so we will like to help you to deny terrorists from using our land against other countries. should we expect the same favor from you? would you address our concerns? hmmm?

 

[asquare]

I have never been to Pakistan, but almost everywhere I have been in the Middle East, there is a chronic problem of people blaming others for their countries problems. Yes, the West did many awful things to the middle east but what's the point of complaining about Israel, Sykes-Picot etc in this day and age? Whatever goes right is because of their great civilisation, whatever goes wrong is because of the US/Israel. A good President/Ruler is a great Arab, a bad one is a CIA/Mossad agent.

Thankfully, in India we have gotten over blaming the British for our problems, of which we have many, long ago.

The Americans were also going to use you and then leave you- that's just the reality of foreign policy. What happens in Pakistan is up to you guys.

 

[IPL5]

guys
I have a suggestion to solve this issue once and for all
we people of Pakistan will really want the end to this proxy wars and we will do what we can to stop it if its happening from Pakistan. we have removed both the Democratic and military dictators from the offices so we shouldn't be taken lightly


oh yea the suggestion

what about instituting a team of say 3 or 4 neutral countries along with the members from India, Pakistan and Afghanistan and America and then Pakistan arrange their visit to all suspected sites where these training camps, or hide outs are, let the teams speak to the people freely and if such places are found they are dismantled on the order of Pakistan supreme court and the responsible people charged. if nothing is found then such allegation be put to rest

once that is done


we move to the interesting part

how about we repeat the process along the Pak Afghan border and visit say Kunar and Nooristan? and get the guys expelled or handed over to Pakistan? charge the complicit Afghans punched by the Afghan government? and see if indeed those Indian cultural centers are doing doing something culturally or are more interested in cross border activities of BLA?

I am not aware of any terrorist camps in India today like in the past there were training MQM camps when MQM was openly fighting against the Pakistan state and the working of Makti bahani terrorist training in India is well known and Indians even brag about it since they got their desired outcome. if there are any Indian terrorist camps in India then they also be visited and dismantled


in summary, the Blackops activities of assassinations, subversion, unrest , funding etc be discontinued and once we have purged these elements then we join hands and curb the funding and inflow of funds and terrorists from central Asia and Middle east .


Or we just ignore everything Pakistan says and only focus on Pakistan and continue to blame it whether or not such places are found or not? (we tried that it didnt work)


trust me Americans and Indians and "innocent peace loving Afghans" we Pakistani people are really fed up with this proxy war because we have suffered a lot so we will like to help you to deny terrorists from using our land against other countries. should we expect the same favor from you? would you address our concerns? hmmm?

correction... Mukti Bahini was not a terrorists organisation.

my suggestion... get rid of your kashmir obsession and stop harboring terrorists as strategic assets .. rest will be fine.

 

[nair]

oh yea the suggestion

what about instituting a team of say 3 or 4 neutral countries along with the members from India, Pakistan and Afghanistan and America and then Pakistan arrange their visit to all suspected sites where these training camps, or hide outs are, let the teams speak to the people freely and if such places are found they are dismantled on the order of Pakistan supreme court and the responsible people charged. if nothing is found then such allegation be put to rest

?

You know If our agencies (ISI & RAW) got half the capability of what they have been credited, They will know that the other stopped the proxy activities........ no need for neutral countries.....

 

[notsuperstitious]

@Irfan Baloch please share your honest answer. Dawood ibrahim (whose entire family openly lives in Pakistan (although they are indian)), do you think he's not in pakistan?

When Zabiuddin ansari, an indian national, a major terrorist who was an important member of the 26-11 mumbai attacks was arrested in Saudi Arabia, he had a genuine pakistani passport. Then pakistan tried their best to get him deported to pakistan, when based on his passport details pakistan could have verified his credentials and known the passport was based on fake details (as his family is in india) very easily. Why? Why did pakistan want a terrorist who was not their national and not wanted in pakistan for terrorism???

If this is not harboring terrorists, what is???

 

[Bratva]

@Irfan Baloch please share your honest answer. Dawood ibrahim (whose entire family openly lives in Pakistan (although they are indian)), do you think he's not in pakistan?

When Zabiuddin ansari, an indian national, a major terrorist who was an important member of the 26-11 mumbai attacks was arrested in Saudi Arabia, he had a genuine pakistani passport. Then pakistan tried their best to get him deported to pakistan, when based on his passport details pakistan could have verified his credentials and known the passport was based on fake details (as his family is in india) very easily. Why? Why did pakistan want a terrorist who was not their national and not wanted in pakistan for terrorism???

If this is not harboring terrorists, what is???

Pakistani Terrorist Barhamdagh bugti mostly travels on Indian passport. Even Musharraf said it so infront of Indian audience. It takes two to tango I presume

Zabiuddin although being an Indian, held a Pakistani passport and two Pakistani identity cards, which pointed towards Pakistans's involvement.[35] One of the two Pakistani identity cards provided to him was for internal use in Pakistan while the other was to be used outside Pakistan.[36] His Pakistani passport was issued in the name of Riyasat Ali, and was arranged by a senior Lashkar commander and Mumbai attack plotter Muzammil.The documents had mentioned his address at a place close to Muridke, where the Lashkar-e-Taiba headquarters is situated

Do you know Afghanis also have Fake Pakistani passports and NICOP's ? So does it mean ISI was involved behind this nefarious scheme ?

It is easy to fake credentials. Don't you know how easy to create Indian passport and ID card by greasing palms of some officers ?

Logic and common sense my friend. Logic and common sense

 

[arbit]

Who harbour terrorists ? CIA were surveilling 9/11 bombers from Mid-2000. Despite that bombers landed in America, took flying lessons, but nobody says CIA harboured these terrorists but a intelligence lapse and misc-communication. Likewise that's what occured with OBL.

Come out of delusions Pakistan harbour such terrorists

Oh dear. That is so misleading. I hope you did it on purpose.

Those terrorists who landed on 9/11 were under surveillance. May be. Was there intelligence lapse in gauging their intentions? Possibly. What did not happen was they didn't build a palatial property near the most secure military facility in US, cut it off of all forms of communications and hid the MOST WANTED PERSON ON EARTH and went on about their business! That is not called intelligence 'lapse". That is called COMPLICITY.

What happened in that raid in Abbottabad was no intelligence failure. And even if one assumes what you are saying is true, after all we also listen to General Musharraf occasionally, this paints a pretty dismal picture of ISI. Please do tell what earth shattering action did you take against your officers for this unpardonable lapse of harbouring the world's foremost terrorist apart from making lame excuses.

And as for pakistan not harbouring any terrorists, less said about it the better.

 

[Ragnar]

There is nothing constant in international geopolitics except national interests, however best served.

National interests are a misnomer. There are elites in every nation, and their interests must be served first.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Pakistani Terrorist Barhamdagh bugti mostly travels on Indian passport. Even Musharraf said it so infront of Indian audience. It takes two to tango I presume

Zabiuddin although being an Indian, held a Pakistani passport and two Pakistani identity cards, which pointed towards Pakistans's involvement.[35] One of the two Pakistani identity cards provided to him was for internal use in Pakistan while the other was to be used outside Pakistan.[36] His Pakistani passport was issued in the name of Riyasat Ali, and was arranged by a senior Lashkar commander and Mumbai attack plotter Muzammil.The documents had mentioned his address at a place close to Muridke, where the Lashkar-e-Taiba headquarters is situated

Do you know Afghanis also have Fake Pakistani passports and NICOP's ? So does it mean ISI was involved behind this nefarious scheme ?

It is easy to fake credentials. Don't you know how easy to create Indian passport and ID card by greasing palms of some officers ?

Logic and common sense my friend. Logic and common sense

I think i was not clear. I'm not saying fake passport can not be obtained. I'm saying once he was arrested in saudi, pakistan would have quickly ascertained that his was a fake passport (or genuine passport obtained under fake details).

Yet they wanted him sent to pakistan.

Thats harboring terrorists.