Pakistan slams Pentagon, summons US ambassador over report accusing it of harbouring terrorist

[MilSpec]

I dont understand the point of this non sense by the pentagon, One one hand it makes allegations againt the pakistani state, and on the other pours defence equipment specifically aimed against India through FMS and EDA....

 

[Imran Khan]

I dont understand the point of this non sense by the pentagon, One one hand it makes allegations againt the pakistani state, and on the other pours defence equipment specifically aimed against India through FMS and EDA....

both are different issues . good pakistan bad pakistan wala

 

[Irfan Baloch]

so when is the report going to come out about Saudi Arabia and Qatar harboring,training, and funding terrorists???

hssshh thats blasphemy


in other news.
by the way Western and Arab analysts and unnamed security officials are predicting a major terror incident in India which will be blamed on Pakistan. the commotion in Kolkata and the threat by the Indian chapter of AQ to India is also related to this new risk

I dont understand the point of this non sense by the pentagon, One one hand it makes allegations againt the pakistani state, and on the other pours defence equipment specifically aimed against India through FMS and EDA....

Monkey deciding the fate of the bread for the 2 cats

 

[The SC]

The American diplomacy seems to be very confused, they can not solve the puzzles in the middle east either, the imbroglio of the Afghan, Pakistan region is too complicated for them, one can add Iran and India into it, and not forget the Russian ambition in the area too.
They themselves are jumping from one alliance to the next, and in their confusion they blame others for doing so. It is their game of power and hegemony, that to their dismay does not seem to work well in those areas, but the few successes they have enjoyed from the ethnic disparities and one might add from desperate groups to live a better (American dream) life even if it is to be virtual in essence, just like a dream, and just to get them out of their troubled life, closing their eyes and minds on the fact that the ones who are encouraging this virtual dream are the ones behind their real life troubles. This plays well in the hands of those who seek to keep these Areas in troubled waters, since it is one of the richest if not the richest Area in the world in natural resources.
One has just to take a look at Africa, the other richest Area of the globe and how it was exploited for centuries living it like a carcass for any kind of vultures to feed on.
Those are interests and more precisely conflicts of interests, that we should all understand as laws of the jungle, proving again that despite the technological advancements, and the so called high education, the "forces" that control the Western world, live by savage laws, thoughts and deeds. Hence their opposition to Islam and Muslim countries which stand for more humane behavior, but depicted today as more savage than those real savages, the only difference it they could not make Islam less humane, but use some "Muslim" desperate groups (of their own creation as it was proven most of the time), to stir trouble and go to extremes known only in the Jahiliya (the pre-Islamic world). All of it being designed and directed by these same savages to justify their presence and forceful interventions to enforce this shaky presence for the sole purpose of controlling the wealth and the allegiances of the people of these places to fit their own purpose of hegemony.
It reminds one of any pack of animals, where one will always want to overwhelm the others to submission, for him to take the best and biggest part of "the meal", the only difference is that these "Humans" apply the intelligence they were endowed with to enhance this instinct of supremacy over the pack, instead of suppressing it.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Indians are jumping up and down for no reason... Pathetic..

 

[VCheng]

The American diplomacy seems to be very confused, they can not solve the puzzles in the middle east either, the imbroglio of the Afghan, Pakistan region is too complicated for them, one can add Iran and India into it, and not forget the Russian ambition in the area too.
They themselves are jumping from one alliance to the next, and in their confusion they blame others for doing so. It is their game of power and hegemony, that to their dismay does not seem to work well in those areas, but the few successes they have enjoyed from the ethnic disparities and one might add from desperate groups to live a better (American dream) life even if it is to be virtual in essence, just like a dream, and just to get them out of their troubled life, closing their eyes and minds on the fact that the ones who are encouraging this virtual dream are the ones behind their real life troubles. This plays well in hands of those who seek to keep these Areas in troubled waters, since it is one the richest if not the richest Area in the world in natural resources.
One has just to take a look at Africa, the other richest Area of the globe and how it was exploited for centuries living it like a carcass for any kind of vultures to feed on.
Those are interests and more precisely conflicts of interests, that we should all understand as laws of the jungle, proving again that despite the technological advancements, and the so called high education, the "forces" that control the Western world, live by savage laws, thoughts and deeds. Hence their opposition to Islam and Muslim countries which stand for more humane behavior, but depicted today as more savage than those real savages, the only difference it they could not make Islam less humane, but use some "Muslim" desperate groups (of their own creation as it was proven most of the time), to stir trouble and go to extremes known only in the Jahiliya (the pre-Islamic world). All of it being designed and directed by these same savages to justify their presence and forceful interventions to enforce this shaky presence for the sole purpose of controlling the wealth and the allegiances of the people of these places to fit their own purpose of hegemony.
It reminds one of any pack of animals, where one will always want to overwhelm the others to submission, for him to take the best and biggest part of "the meal", the only difference is that these "Humans" apply the intelligence they were endowed with to enhance this instinct of supremacy over the pack, instead of suppressing it.

Sir, neither the West has a monopoly on barbarism, nor the East on nobly cultured humanity, as you claim. All sides are equally barbaric and noble as humankind. That is the way it has always been, and always will be.

 

[Joeblow]

guys
I have a suggestion to solve this issue once and for all
we people of Pakistan will really want the end to this proxy wars and we will do what we can to stop it if its happening from Pakistan. we have removed both the Democratic and military dictators from the offices so we shouldn't be taken lightly


oh yea the suggestion

what about instituting a team of say 3 or 4 neutral countries along with the members from India, Pakistan and Afghanistan and America and then Pakistan arrange their visit to all suspected sites where these training camps, or hide outs are, let the teams speak to the people freely and if such places are found they are dismantled on the order of Pakistan supreme court and the responsible people charged. if nothing is found then such allegation be put to rest

once that is done


we move to the interesting part

how about we repeat the process along the Pak Afghan border and visit say Kunar and Nooristan? and get the guys expelled or handed over to Pakistan? charge the complicit Afghans punched by the Afghan government? and see if indeed those Indian cultural centers are doing doing something culturally or are more interested in cross border activities of BLA?

I am not aware of any terrorist camps in India today like in the past there were training MQM camps when MQM was openly fighting against the Pakistan state and the working of Makti bahani terrorist training in India is well known and Indians even brag about it since they got their desired outcome. if there are any Indian terrorist camps in India then they also be visited and dismantled


in summary, the Blackops activities of assassinations, subversion, unrest , funding etc be discontinued and once we have purged these elements then we join hands and curb the funding and inflow of funds and terrorists from central Asia and Middle east .


Or we just ignore everything Pakistan says and only focus on Pakistan and continue to blame it whether or not such places are found or not? (we tried that it didn't work)


trust me Americans and Indians and "innocent peace loving Afghans" we Pakistani people are really fed up with this proxy war because we have suffered a lot so we will like to help you to deny terrorists from using our land against other countries. should we expect the same favor from you? would you address our concerns? hmmm?

Your suggestion is a good one. The only problem is that by the time a neutral party shows up, all traces would have been wiped out in all the countries. The problem right now, is that each country looks at it's security as a Zero Sum game. Till that attitude changes, there can be no peace in the region. There is one question I want to ask you. It is probably the most important piece of the puzzle. Let's say for argument's sake that all the allegations regarding India, Pakistan and Afghanistan are true. India and Afghanistan's role in Pakistan is more punitive than anything else since they have no intention of taking over Pakistan. So a peace treaty or a mutual defense treaty would eliminate their roles in Pakistan. Pakistan has an interest in seeing a Pakistan friendly government in Kabul. I believe that too, would be automatically addressed once the 3 nations are on friendly terms with each other. However, let's now address the elephant in the room, Kashmir. Could Pakistan be persuaded to give up providing weapons and material support to the Kashmiri separatists? This would be a sea change in Pakistan's position. Could a government in Pakistan persuade its people to let Kashmir go? I know an Indian govt will not be able to persuade its people to do so. What happens to Pakistan's position on Kashmir then? Even if Pakistan backs off from providing weapons and training to Kashmiri insurgents, could it stop bringing up Kashmir in the international forums? And would a peace treaty hold when one country is publicly embarrassing the other? By now, you must have realized that India cannot be persuaded to go for joint administration or open borders. Their position has hardened as they have grown more powerful. You don't have any real way of taking the rest of Kashmir away from them just as India has no way of taking away your part of Kashmir from you and obviously, both of you together wouldn't be able to get back the part China occupies. So how do you break the stalemate? If the only way to do that is to settle for what you have, would Pakistan be able to live that?

 

[The SC]

Sir, neither the West has a monopoly on barbarism, nor the East on nobly cultured humanity, as you claim. All sides are equally barbaric and noble as humankind. That is the way it has always been, and always will be.

I was talking about degrees in barbarism , if you refer to history West holds most records of barbarism since the crusades. Otherwise you are right, all humans have the animal instincts, but it is the degree to which it is controlled that matters for the sake of survival of he whole, not just an entity or a part. You can safely compare it to a body with very healthy and vigorous parts and yet has other parts that are disease infected, what do you think of the outcome of the body as a whole.

 

[VCheng]

I was talking about degrees in barbarism , if you refer to history West holds most records of barbarism since the crusades. Otherwise you are right, all humans have the animal instincts, but it is the degree to which it is controlled that matters for the sake of survival of he whole, not just an entity or a part. You can safely compare it to a body with very healthy and vigorous parts and yet has other parts that are disease infected, what do you think of the outcome of the body as a whole.

So what about the Mongols and how they pillaged Baghdad and nearly all of Central Asia? Or how about the Arabs and how they sold more slaves from Eastern Africa to all along the shores of the Indian Ocean than the "barbaric" West? What about the exceedingly cruel wars of succession between Mughal Princes?

The only safe conclusion that no one can claim any superiority. We all are the same.

 

[The SC]

So what about the Mongols and how they pillaged Baghdad and nearly all of Central Asia? Or how about the Arabs and how they sold more slaves from Eastern Africa to all along the shores of the Indian Ocean than the "barbaric" West? What about the exceedingly cruel wars of succession between Mughal Princes?

The only safe conclusion that no one can claim any superiority. We all are the same.

That is you opinion and I respect it.
The Mongols were savages too, since in my definition, when you invade to loot and set your supremacy on others , you act as total animal.The slave trade is known throughout history to have been conducted by Jews not Arabs, the Arabs were hosting those Jews, Islam is known for anti-slavery , you can refer to Bilal, the first slave bought by the prophet Mohammad PBUH, and liberated from slavery.
Not only the Mughal princes, the same phenomenon was observed in Andalusia, and that was the main cause of the downfall of the Islamic empire. It all started when they violated islamic rules of conducts for Sultans, kings and princes. First and the mainly unforgivable mistake is for a Muslim king to mary a foreigner, this rule was violated in both places, the offspring got too many allegiances, we all know how much we love our mothers and her family, so here goes the allegiance to one and only code of conduct. The second reason is that wealth went up their noses, since they were brought up to be too spoiled, hence egoistic, plus the different mothers (allegiances ) push to the crown. It is like a passive foreign intervention by foreign implanted moles (the foreign wives)
Like I have stated before the difference between our opinions is in the degree of savagery, is it maximized (Read about the massacres during the Inquisition of Spain, during the crusades, or during the Iraq war that left one million dead and more injured... for savage reasons of supremacy) like in the Western case or minimized like we find in the history of true Islam, where invasions were mostly defensive offensives against bitter enemies that threatened the existence of Islam, and albeit this threat, Muslims had a different inherent aim on their minds than any savage civilizations, and that was mostly to pacify these threats and bing them to reason with unprecedented rewards of the choice of their life conducts in a civilized frame, plus full membership in society and much more. So how can anyone compare this with even the best thought of the West that would be destruction in the hope to build or construct something new and "Hopefully" better for them, not for the people whom they have invaded, At best this is hypocritically constructive
It is quite simple, no one can compare a destructive behavior with a genuine constructive one.

 

[VCheng]

The slave trade is known throughout history to have been conducted by Jews not Arabs, the Arabs were hosting those Jews, Islam is known for anti-slavery

Sir, Islam permits slavery, and the Arabs took full advantage of it:

Arab slave trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Story of Africa| BBC World Service

The Arab slave trade: 200 million non-Muslim slaves from all colors and nationalities | The Muslim Issue

Like I have stated before the difference between our opinions is in the degree of savagery

And like I have shown, all cultures, religions, empires, countries and civilizations have similar degrees of both savagery and humanity.

 

[The SC]

Sir, Islam permits slavery, and the Arabs took full advantage of it:

Arab slave trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Story of Africa| BBC World Service

The Arab slave trade: 200 million non-Muslim slaves from all colors and nationalities | The Muslim Issue




And like I have shown, all cultures, religions, empires, countries and civilizations have similar degrees of both savagery and humanity.

No sir Islam forbids slavery, it allows to be part of that system as buyers, with the sole purpose of giving freedom to those who have been enslaved.
One should not confuse war booties as they were practiced then with slavery.
The articles you have profided are faulty in that they do not show who was responsible for that trade, althought it was in parts of the Muslim empire.
the following statements might help open your eyes:

One of the earliest accounts of Jewish trade across the Mediterranean to the Far Fast is to be found in The Book-- Roads and Governments compiled in the mid-ninth century by the Arab official responsible for postal arrangements the caliphate of Baghdad. He records how Jewish travel" embarking from the ports of southern France, would carry cargoes of slaves, brocades, and furs to the marts of Constantinople, Alexandria, and Damascus. The more venturesome would then proceed by caravan across the Fertile Crescent and sail from the Persian Gulf for India and China, to return with "musk, aloe, wood, camphor, cinnamon, and other products of the eastern countries" for distribution in the lands the West." --
From Aspects of Jewish History, 274pp., Marcus Arkin, Director General of The South African Zionist Association, Published by The Jewish Publication Society of America, Philadelphia, 1975, p. 44.

It is known, however, that Amsterdam Jewry 'ibuted more than thirty-six thousand guilders to the colony's initial capital and that by 1674 at least one-tenth e main shareholders bore Jewish names. During the company's ill-fated Brazilian enterprise (1624-54) from Amsterdam were active as sugar merchants, dealers, and tax farmers; after being ousted by the Portuguese many settled in Curacao, from which they carried on a lively contraband business with the Spanish mainland colonists. Others went to Surinam (Dutch Guiana), where they came to own extensive sugar plantations and to employ many thousands of African slaves; in fact, by 1786 the of Surinam formed the majority of the local European population. --
From Aspects of Jewish History, 274pp., Marcus Arkin, Director General of The South African Zionist Association, Published by The Jewish Publication Society of America, Philadelphia, 1975, p. 96.

The two main sources of company revenue in Brazil were levies on the output of the sugar mills and duties on the importation of Negro slaves, and in both these spheres Jewish entrepreneurs were active. In 1638, for example, Monsea Navarro bought the right to "farm" the tax on sugar from the Pernambuco district for fifty-four thousand guilders. Jewish speculators bought slaves for ready cash from the Dutch West India Company and resold them to the planters at three or four times the purchase price, since they had to accept payment by installments and often in kind. (Although this is not the place to recount the miserable working conditions of the African slaves in seventeenth-century Brazil, those sold to Jewish planters seem to have been somewhat better off than the ones purchased by Portuguese or Dutch colonists, since they not only rested on the Jewish Sabbath but also by statute-on Sunday.) --
From Aspects of Jewish History, 274pp., Marcus Arkin, Director General of The South African Zionist Association, Published by The Jewish Publication Society of America, Philadelphia, 1975, p. 202.

What you say is true but to what degree sir?

anyhow back to topic. American decisions are based on their own interests, if your interests don't fit in their interests then you are a foe somehow. This is what one can call an extremist policy based on the most fundamental definition of egoism, jingoism and what have you (exactly what they accuse others of, if you can understand this behavior, then you are on your way to fully understand what is going on) motivated by their perceived power to be able to enforce it at any price including going to war (I do not see any difference with a spoiled and faulty thoughtless Mafia chief), which is a bit too much exaggerated in my opinion

 

[SMC]

why don't you expose us ? i have heard you crying on kashmir all the time. why you talk about terrorism from India. the problem is that you don't have proof. OBL was found in pakistan along with many top terrorists leader.

You do realize that the official US state stance is that Pakistan did not protect OBL. There have been accusations by individuals however it is not part of the official US government stance that Pakistan protected OBL.

 

[SMC]

More relevant to the topic: why is it that someone or some part of US government makes such accusations once every other year, never provide any evidence, never do anything about it, never make it part of their official foreign policy, and more or less forget about it in a week? Obviously it makes the naive bharatis happy and giddy for a week, but for all practical purposes these accusations are ceremonial since they're never acted upon and they're forgotten in no time. The keyboard warrior bharatis have no idea how useless and insignificant these accusations are since nothing is done about them - it is actually hilarious to see them jumping up and down over nothing.

Also, why does US never present this evidence publicly and at the UN? Some keyboard warrior bharati better not come up with the "the evidence is classified" response, because that response is so common from bharatis on this subject, yet they criticize Pakistan if they see a similar response from Pakistan.

 

[airuah]

Pakistani Terrorist Barhamdagh bugti mostly travels on Indian passport. Even Musharraf said it so infront of Indian audience. It takes two to tango I presume

Zabiuddin although being an Indian, held a Pakistani passport and two Pakistani identity cards, which pointed towards Pakistans's involvement.[35] One of the two Pakistani identity cards provided to him was for internal use in Pakistan while the other was to be used outside Pakistan.[36] His Pakistani passport was issued in the name of Riyasat Ali, and was arranged by a senior Lashkar commander and Mumbai attack plotter Muzammil.The documents had mentioned his address at a place close to Muridke, where the Lashkar-e-Taiba headquarters is situated

There you go. You know where the LeT is having its head quarters,so what have you done to curb it?. You yourself now have admitted to harbouring terrorists inadvertently.