Pakistan Signs Defense Agreement with South Africa

[The SC]

Maybe T5-52 with ToT?

You mean this beauty: T5-52 155-mm self-propelled gun-howitzer

 

[ziaulislam]

This is what PAC will be getting in the signing of Mou with south africa and DENEL Aviation in form of Mechanical Components development so I think PAC is looking to develop attack helicopter if PAC is moving in this Mou with south Africa. I don't know where Pakistan plans to take this but PAC and DENEL Aviation were both parts of the MOU signed so there will be a development of some new airborne toys. This deal could also mean advancement to features of JF-17 and also Pakistan supplying some tech to South Africa so not clear on the specification of MOU.

Mechanical Components

• Hydraulic systems including Servo controls
• Pneumatic systems
• Landing gears
• Wheels and Brakes
• Helicopter Transmissions (Dynamic Components)
• Non-Destructive Testing (NDT)
• Propellers

Composite Components

• Main & tail rotor blades
• Windshields
• Cowlings and fairings
• Honeycomb structures

Avionics, electrical and oxygen components

• Directional & Vertical Gyros
• Instruments, Compasses & Switches
• Transmitters & Accelerometers
• Starters, AC Generators & Alternators, Voltage regulators & Protection Boxes
• Linear & Rotary actuators and re-winding
• Aircraft battery-Charging, Discharging & Capacity Testing
• Refurbishment of cockpit panels
• Oxygen Regulators & Masks
• Hydrostatic Testing of Oxygen Cylinders

Ground Support & Test Equipment (GS & TE)

Metrology and calibration services on:

• Standard & Special to Type Test Equipment
• Test Rigs & Engine Test Cells
• Aircraft mechanical and electrical ground support equipment

We need a utility helicopter not an attack one.
30-40 attack helicopters can easily be brought off the self

 

[ziaulislam]

Getting a home based SAM and darter would be a plus

 

[BHarwana]

We need a utility helicopter not an attack one.
30-40 attack helicopters can easily be brought off the self

This Mou is not for buying any equipment but it is more based on development. Pakistan has already ordered the Helicopters from an Italian company @WebMaster posted a thread on the purchase few weeks back. Denel aviation has been involved into the integration of 3 JF-17 that Pakistan sold to Nigeria with the air defense system of the country. Denel Aviation has also upgraded the super mushshak plane to have maritime capabilities for the Nigerians

 

[ziaulislam]

This Mou is not for buying any equipment but it is more based on development. Pakistan has already ordered the Helicopters from an Italian company @WebMaster posted a thread on the purchase few weeks back. Denel aviation has been involved into the integration of 3 JF-17 that Pakistan sold to Nigeria with the air defense system of the country. Denel Aviation has also upgraded the super mushshak plane to have maritime capabilities for the Nigerians

Anything required in large quantities should be developed at home as joint production.
We did this for fighters, tanks we need it for helicopters (utility) and medium/shirt range mass produced SAM & howziter (155mm)

 

[fatman17]

Good possibility of TOT for variety of weapons systems. progress should be monitored.

 

[BHarwana]

Anything required in large quantities should be developed at home as joint production.
We did this for fighters, tanks we need it for helicopters (utility) and medium/shirt range mass produced SAM & howziter (155mm)

Attack helicopters and utility helicopters is a big requirement of Pakistan and Pakistan should work it's way to produce such tech domestically and also the Artillery sector should be improved this will decrease the trade deficit and future will become better. Peace with India is not possible as long as there is Kashmir issue so Pakistan should concentrate in minimizing on cost cut by domestic development and this will also increase jobs in the domestic sector and Capital investment is always better. These types of projects will help in future.

 

[ziaulislam]

Attack helicopters and utility helicopters is a big requirement of Pakistan and Pakistan should work it's way to produce such tech domestically and also the Artillery sector should be improved this will decrease the trade deficit and future will become better. Peace with India is not possible as long as there is Kashmir issue so Pakistan should concentrate in minimizing on cost cut by domestic development and this will also increase jobs in the domestic sector and Capital investment is always better. These types of projects will help in future.

Instead domestically production seem to be decitated by availability rather than long time cost, which i think is not the right way. We brought 1000s of tank engines but never tried to built them as joint venture. On the other hand india almost builts everything as joint venture and even has 30% ofset clause

 

[BHarwana]

Instead domestically production seem to be decitated by availability rather than long time cost, which i think is not the right way. We brought 1000s of tank engines but never tried to built them as joint venture. On the other hand india almost builts everything as joint venture and even has 30% ofset clause

To built engines domestically is not possible due to USA. The sanctions imposed on Pakistan include the acquiring of Machines that can produce complex metal shapes. In the today's automated world producing new technology is easy using CAD but the sanctions due to nuclear test is restricting us and acquiring new machines is difficult. The same type of machines are used to develop missiles and USA is constantly watching the Chinese over sales of such technology to Pakistan because this will also enhance our capability in more offensive sectors. Now recently USA sanctioned a Chinese company for selling mobile phone technology to Iran and why? the same tech can be used to develop advanced drones. This is the big issue.

 

[ziaulislam]

To built engines domestically is not possible due to USA. The sanctions imposed on Pakistan include the acquiring of Machines that can produce complex metal shapes. In the today's automated world producing new technology is easy using CAD but the sanctions due to nuclear test is restricting us and acquiring new machines is difficult. The same type of machines are used to develop missiles and USA is constantly watching the Chinese over sales of such technology to Pakistan because this will also enhance our capability in more offensive sectors. Now recently USA sanctioned a Chinese company for selling mobile phone technology to Iran and why? the same tech can be used to develop advanced drones. This is the big issue.

I am not talking about jet engines, i am talking about simple diesel engines

 

[BHarwana]

I am not talking about jet engines, i am talking about simple diesel engines

Yep I am talking about the same to produce large and efficient engines you need machines that can produce complex shapes. Like a good engine with light weight and better power output will make a better and efficient MBT. and the machine that will be used to produce that shape can also produce better rocket engines and Jetengines so this is the issue.

 

[Khafee]

You mean this beauty: T5-52 155-mm self-propelled gun-howitzer

Yes, I hope so. Although I would prefer if they went for something more aggressive and armored like the G6 below.

Instead domestically production seem to be decitated by availability rather than long time cost, which i think is not the right way. We brought 1000s of tank engines but never tried to built them as joint venture. On the other hand india almost builts everything as joint venture and even has 30% ofset clause

The procurement policy is flawed.

Instead of buying in small lots, a big order split over "X" number of years gives you a lot.

Secondly, some things like Jet Engines, Tank engines, Sub AIP modules etc are things no one will give you with ease, with the exception of China, so you have to play your cards right.

 

[The SC]

Yes, I hope so. Although I would prefer if they went for something more aggressive and armored like the G6 below.

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The procurement policy is flawed.

Instead of buying in small lots, a big order split over "X" number of years gives you a lot.

Secondly, some things like Jet Engines, Tank engines, Sub AIP modules etc are things no one will give you with ease, with the exception of China, so you have to play your cards right.

Acquiring both with ToT is better yet..

 

[Khafee]

Acquiring both with ToT is better yet..

That would be a good option, but unfortunately given financial constraints, will not happen.

 

[The SC]

That would be a good option, but unfortunately given financial constraints, will not happen.

Anyone can do for now, but slowly and surely as the economy improves the other system if needed can be procured too.. everything in its time..