Pakistan Should Produce More Nuclear Weapons If No F16's

[Mssniper966]

Or or or or just pay the damn price and bring super duper eef sola tayaare home (which btw is not much considering the plane and it's effectiveness)

Nope...damned plane is not worth the damn price...

 

[MilSpec]

U know bro...I was thinking the same thing, why would America care if we produce more nuclear weapons??Unfortunately if u haven't been reading news from1990's, the most pressure Pakistan is facing for nukes manufacturing is from America....America wants to protect its military assets and bases especially the one which it established in Palestine called Israel with help from Britain(Balfour Declaration)....and the most threat Israel faces is Pakistani nukes...Israel even tried to bomb khauta nuclear installation but failed miserably...
One more reason is America cannot, in the name of so called terrorism, openly Attack on full scale on Pakistan...just as it is doing in Syria,Iraq,Palestine,etc because of fear of nuclear deterrence from Pakistan....

Again, United states of America won't attack Pakistan, because it doesn't need to, all it needs is a phone call, that's it. Most of your substantial foreign policy is needs a nod from either D.C or Bejing, and this subservience is the cost of discounted military hardware and aid. And that's why I say, start paying sticker prices for things you can actually afford. Instead of F16's stick with JF17's which may not have the same capabilities, but at-least no one will dictate terms to you, and get all the pdfians rattled up.

 

[AbRaj]

What we need is better missile technology which can evade radar systems and can defeat all countermeasures and most importantly make the nukes reach the farthest part of the world...of course nukes are also essential to arm the missiles but only focusing on nukes not its delivery system is not fruitful policy for Pakistan....

And what you gonna do after that???
Blackmail USA, Russia and EU to give you ad

Nope...damned plane is not worth the damn price...

How about you tell me some better jets at or below same price with similar capabilities and war proven metal

 

[Mssniper966]

Again, United state of America won't attack Pakistan, because it doesn't need to, all it needs is a phone call, that's it. Most of your substantial foreign policy is needs a nod from either D.C or Bejing, and this subservience is the cost of discounted military hardware and aid. And that's why I say, start paying sticker prices for things you can actually afford. Instead of F16's stick with JF17's which may not have the same capabilities, but at-least no one will dictate terms to you, and get all the pdfians rattled up.

Oh I think it can't Attack Pakistan conventionally...the phone call method also called proxy war....yeah sure...
Speaking of jf17... It was meant for stopping other nations dictating us...that is why it was initiated...and that is why we r also rejecting the expensive f16 on full price....otherwise it doesn't hurt to get some more toys in your inventory for 1/3 red the cost....

 

[AbRaj]

Again, United states of America won't attack Pakistan, because it doesn't need to, all it needs is a phone call, that's it. Most of your substantial foreign policy is needs a nod from either D.C or Bejing, and this subservience is the cost of discounted military hardware and aid. And that's why I say, start paying sticker prices for things you can actually afford. Instead of F16's stick with JF17's which may not have the same capabilities, but at-least no one will dictate terms to you, and get all the pdfians rattled up.

Isn't it hilarious, to blackmail a superpower for donations
I am laughing at the Chinese

 

[Wolf]

Anything else, Kim? Doing that only ensures India and the US become closer at Pakistan's expense.

yeah. they will be in bed sleeping with each other. india and amerika. but guess what? we dont give a ***k.

 

[MilSpec]

the phone call method also called proxy war....

Phone call was Coercion, Your action was Subservience.

 

[MastanKhan]

Whatever the facts maybe, mass producing tools of your isolation and economic downfall isn't a solution especially when you have enough already as deterrent.

What we do agree on is that this F-16 romance needs to end. But I am just a network engineer, you are your own profession. Top brass is all defense experts and they dont consult PDF for analysis.

Hi,

There is one thing I learnt in my business---never sell yourself short---and never believe that the experts know more than you would.

The paf top brass or defence experts do not have my american car sales /finsnce / managerial experience and deal making in the U S---. Military personal are the worst people to make deal---we literally rip their heads off in gross profit---.

Also---I have more exposure to material in books thru libraries than all the paf's resources put together in pakistan.

Last but not the least----defence related websites----there are a lots of professionals---and what do pros do----they like to talk---everyone of them like to talk---.

Dealing with the congress and senate is like dealing with the worst than car sales people.

As I stated earlier----U S knew that paf was desperate for the F16's---but the paf did not know that they had to find a way not to show that desperation.

Car sales 101---you cannot deal with the americans from a position of desperation---.. When you come to buy a car from me and tell me that you cannot find anything elsewhere and cannot get financed---and I canget you financed---I will rip your head off in gross profit---and you will follow my dictate.

that is what has happened here.

I told the higher ups last february---get the J10C's---the U S ill automatically come to you---and they will say---" why the fck you did not buy from us "---that is when you will have them---.

This deal is a pure fck up by the pakistan air chief marshall Sohail Aman---.

 

[Mssniper966]

And what you gonna do after that???
Blackmail USA, Russia and EU to give you ad


How about you tell me some better jets at or below same price with similar capabilities and war proven metal

Pakistan has a policy of defending its interests and rights as a sovereign independent state...so better missile technology would prevent war as the western countries would not like to get damaged...
How about su35,mig29,j10b(u can exclude that is if u think it is not war proven)

 

[Dalit]

Isn't it hilarious, to blackmail a superpower for donations
I am laughing at the Chinese

LOL @ blackmail. The offer came from the Obama administration, dude. Besides, we don't want them anymore.

 

[Mssniper966]

Phone call was Coercion, Your action was Subservience.

America's phone call was unable to do anything about North Korea or China...,except for blabbing in international meetings...

 

[Dalit]

What's up dude?

I'm honored to be recognized by you with 140 odd posts on this forum.

Recognized? Where did I recognize you? Don't make up stuff now...

 

[MastanKhan]

A very bold suggestion after stating just the other day about how US is itching for war and made an example of Pakistan.
I think going straight for trump card is always bad. US knows about this Pakistan should not say it. Right now US is busy in South China Sea, Ukraine,Poland (the reason Russian jets flew past the US destroyer. It was presence of Polish helis which made Russians nervous), middle east and Afghanistan. The best time for Pakistan to build up. Pakistan won't be needing 500 or 1000s nuke. Pakistan only need 300 and mechanisms to deliver them efficiently.
With the situation right now we can do certain things to make us strong
A. Atleast 54 to 78 4+++ gen fighters needed by 2022. I would perfer Euro fighter because of easy integration of it in our airforce. We have more awareness of the weapons used on this platform because of f16s using the same weapons. I also like SU35'S but the problem is at this moment global political alliance shifting and our enemy still to pick sides on international arena we can't offord to be in one camp or another. EF choice gives us a neutral approach and our strong lobby in Europe compare to US where we can't compete Indians at the moment. Same is the case with Russia SU35'S.
B. One thing we can and should look to acquire from Russians is S400s. They are totally defensive weapon system and therefore not too many hurdles. We can take a leaf out of Isreal book and make sure atleast our air defence is impenetrable or try to make it such. Small land mass no depth and denying enemy total air dominace.
C. Instead of ICBMS Pakistan need to go for nuclear subs with missiles range just under 5000km. That won't tick the big powers off and therfore we won't look like north Korea or Iran to US. We can checkmate Indian aggressiveness doctrine, you know how they talk about nothing left of Pakistan our subs can make sure nothing left of India after that. That will collapse all the hopes of India ever invading Pakistan.
D. Instead of being totally isolated from US we can engage with them and direct aid towards another important issue and that is our space program. I think we can learn a lot in this and I believe it will most likely be hurdle free.Chinese I believe already are working on it. I believe Pakistan military will need the space tech in future long term strategy if Pakistan wants to continue as a stake holder in future.
E. Speed up the program of JF17 get to 150 mark and take a great leap forward and after 150 mark concentrate on stealth program and try to achieve a single engine stealth aircraft by 2025.
F. Start a program to rally the overseas Pakistani to promote and lobby for Pakistan intrest by developing a long term steady foreign policy and work everything around it.
G. Local electronic and telecommunications programs I would like armed forces to invest into it. Again an example of Isreal they are second to none in electronic warefare.
H. Try not to get sanctioned for next 5 years atleast so our economy can get a little better and make sure our interests in Afghanistan stays secure.
I. Keep trying again and again in building up or try to have Saudis and Iranians engage with each other consistently.
J. Build navy which we are doing so we are on right track here.
We need to enjoy this time and make Pakistan strong by trying to stay out of limelight for a while. No need to engage in eye blink battle with the super power of the world. Not very smart.

Hi,

Thank you---an excellent post---. That is why I was so adamant about pakistan taking side with the saudis in yemen---a possible 15-25 billion paycheck for the very first year and then anywhere from 10-15 billion for the next year and possibly a steady 5 billion a year after that.

Hi,

Pakistan military Gen Raheel blundered into solitary position---I told him thru a third party---never be singled out---form an alliance where your blood spills with the blood of another ally---make the alliance---never trust Iran---he did not listen---.

Supposedly---Iran was going to be the saviour----. Now that Kalbhoshan Yadev and the Baloch guy from karachi and Iran's sabotage is coming out now---pk military is in a conundrum

 

[Dalit]

Why we need to run around orbit,when our destiny is few hundred miles away

Don't be too sure about that anymore. The world has evolved and so have the threats. Nations that proclaim to be your ally today are your enemies tomorrow and vice versa. Consider it nothing more than an insurance policy.

 

[Strigon]

I told the higher ups last february

When you say you told the higher ups.. I am a little confused, how does that happen? Like in blogs? Phone calls? Lunch meeting with the decision makers? why would they pay any attention to someone from the internet? In their eyes what qualifies you to steer defense expenditure?