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First you asked for link, while i said you will not expect it and now exactly this has happened.

Means you yourself know that how authentic your link is..........rite???

I provided you links, which you cannot deny at any ground..........rite again????


Continue reading in this thread and you will find Indians accepting that Dams are build considering their use as weapon.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...-indus-pose-danger-n-areas-basha-dam-kkh.html

Means if 10, 100, 1000, or so Indians start claiming thta Barack Obama is the supreme authority of Pakistan; you will start believing that too???



I don't need to check any post................those are views; not the proofs. And you were unable to provide any of them.

So end of the topic.

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I know it's not my place but i sincerely feel this thread has come to the end of it's useful life-cycle as far as discussions are concerned. All i can see for the last two pages are personal attacks and cheap behaviour.

Batman, no offence but your making a fool of yourself with this ridiculous statements.
 
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I know it's not my place but i sincerely feel this thread has come to the end of it's useful life-cycle as far as discussions are concerned. All i can see for the last two pages are personal attacks and cheap behaviour.

Batman, no offence but your making a fool of yourself with this ridiculous statements.

Salute to your honesty brother.:tup:

:smokin:
 
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India adds to flooding of Punjab in Pakistan

16:07, August 22, 2010

Another flood warning shook Pakistan's southern province of Punjab on Saturday in the wake of possible massive deluge as India released over 18,000 cusecs of additional water in River Ravi without prior information to the Pakistani authorities, reported local media The Nation on Sunday.

According to the report, around 170 villages along the river have been evacuated while the local administration is on high alert in Narowal and Sialkot districts to cope with any emergency.

"The Pakistani government should reconsider the decision to accept 5-million-U.S. dollar Indian aid offer and have it clarified that whether New Delhi is offering aid for the flood victims or giving compensation for expected flood devastation after releasing water in Ravi," said Ayub Khan Mayo, President of Pakistan Muttahida Kissan Mahaz (PMKM).

Official sources added that the flood warning was issued after the news of flood in five nullahs in the catchments areas of River Ravi. "India has released 18,000 cusecs of water in River Ravi that can cause massive floods in Narowal and Shakargarh as there was already 27,000 cusec water flowing in the river," they said.

Earlier the Meterological Department predicted that water level in River Ravi would remain low during the next 24 hours but after release of water a low-level flood has hit Bhutsen and Basantar drainages of the river. The Flood Warning Centre in Lahore has given prior high-flood warning in a drainage located at Shakargarh. Flooding is also possible in other places of Punjab province.
 
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Ahsaan farahmoshi ki had hai, Kuch log kabhi nahi sudhrenge.

@ Batman why are you posting off topic troll?????? it proves that you have not lost your family or property that's why you are talking non sense. Plz don't play politics have at least some consideration of fellow pakistanis who are facing floods. In the holy month of ramzaan this type of attitude is not allowed or at least forget it for some time.
 
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No doubt he is your brother but not honest.
Why is he hiding behind Pakistani flag.

:rofl::rofl:

You better shoot them all who talk about peace and talk sense. Anybody who is not bashing India, is not Pakistani.

All the Pakistani members need a certification from you, whether he is a true Pakistani and Muslim or not.

:rofl::rofl:

Go ahead.........Join Zaid Hamid's army. Kill them all. And chill your mangos in commode.

:rofl::rofl:

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Any reason that you can think for releasing water.............To wipe out Pakistan; its your answer, right???


Do you want that we carry on to store water above the capacity of dams and let them collapse???

Can you imagine what will be the condition of flood after collapsing the dam????


:smokin:
 
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Large Dams Blamed for Floods
By Bharat Dogra

NEW DELHI, Sep 4, 2006 (IPS) - While floods are a perennial feature of the Indian sub-continent, this year's inundations have left leading environmental activists pointing fingers at the many large dams built precisely with the idea of controlling natural water systems.

''There is much to learn from the experience of floods this monsoon. Contrary to the case made out for large dams for controlling floods, the flood situation has actually been worsened by the dams,'' said Medha Patkar, internationally-known anti-big dam campaigner.

This year, with several downstream states accusing those upstream with improperly timed water releases, it has become particularly hard for the champions of big dams to hit back at people like Patkar. Even officials in Nepal have accused India of not opening sluice channels in time, aggravating floods in that Himalayan country.

‘'Mismanagement and negligent operations of the large reservoirs on the Tapti, Narmada, Krishna, Godavari, Mahi and Sabarmati rivers have created man-made disaster in the states of Gujarat, Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh, Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh,'' said Himanshu Thakkar, hydrologist and coordinator for the South Asia Network on Dams, Rivers and People (SANDRP). ‘'The worst affected states are also the ones with the biggest dams''.

Thakkar has been demanding a ‘'credible, independent enquiry as to why such a situation arose when they it could have been avoided with more optimal operation of projects.'' The true extent of the damage cause by the floods is yet to be estimated but hundreds of thousands of people are reported to have been affected.

Some experts believe that this year's deluge, affecting large parts of the country, resulted from a failure to balance properly flood control with the others major uses of big dams -irrigation and hydro-power generation.

Ramaswamy Iyer, former chief secretary in the water resources ministry, told IPS that many of the dams were specifically designed for flood control. ‘'But there is an inherent conflict of this objective with the other objective of trying to maximize hydro-power and irrigation,'' he said.

Iyer said while flood control demands that dams allow adequate space to receive flood flows, the objective of maximizing hydro-power potential means that water level in dams is kept as high as possible. ‘'As there is greater pressure to increase power generation, the objective of flood control gets lesser attention. This can lead to a situation when water has to be released suddenly on a large scale leading to disastrous flash floods,'' he said.

Dinesh Mishra, an engineer and convenor of the Barh Mukti Abhiyan (Campaign for Freedom from Foods) says: ‘'It has been widely acknowledged in official documents that the siltation rate of an overwhelming number of dams has been much higher than original estimates. The real problem is silt, not water. Silt eats up the storage capacity of reservoirs. Hence, their capacity to absorb flood flow is reduced."

But Thakkar attributes this year's devastation to sheer mismanagement. In particular, he says, the floods which ravaged Surat city in the western state of Gujarat were preventable. Known for its diamond cutting industry, the city saw three-fourths of its area submerged with the army having to be called out to rescue thousands of marooned people.

An estimated three million people had to do without basic needs such as food and clean water on the evening of Aug. 6, when the irrigation department suddenly released 800,000 cusecs of water from the Ukai dam.

According to Thakkar enough information on rainfall was available to suggest that water release in manageable quantities should have started from Aug. 1. But this was neglected so that when water was finally released it was about double the drainage capacity of the Tapti river. Worse, water was released around high tide.

In the Marathawada region of western Maharashtra state, where hundreds of farmers were reported to have committed suicide this year following drought-related distress, the situation changed to one of worse distress from floods.

Vijay Diwan, an activist with Nisarg Mitra Mandal, has monitored the situation carefully. He says: "A comparison with the rainfall for the earlier five years shows that rain has not been significantly higher this year in districts like Jalna, Parbani and Nanded, so people are asking whether these floods were related to the mismanagement of projects like Jayakwadi and Issaper dams and Vishnupuri Lift Irrigation Project."

People in these parts were caught between large volumes of water released from upper dams and no water release from lower dams, said Diwan. There was considerable water already stored in the dams when the rain started.

Thakkar points out that data available for several dams show that they had substantial water just before the onset of monsoon and therefore, had much less capacity to absorb monsoon flows.

‘'Of course reservoirs need to store water as protection against the possible failure of monsoon, but there have to be some norms about what is adequate protection. In the case of Ukai, the water in storage before monsoon was much greater than the needs of Surat,'' said Thakkar. ‘'Clearly there are several aspects of dam management that can be debated, but this year's floods have led to serious doubts about the usefulness of dams for flood-protection.''

Ravindranath, an activist closely involved with flood-warning in northeastern Assam state, said: "Our past experience has been that even relatively small dams have been able to unleash destructive flash floods, but now nearly 160 dams are being planned in the northeast and some of these are very massive projects''.

Moreover, the north-east has been witness to large-scale ecological destruction in the catchment areas due to illegal lumbering, quarrying and mining. ‘'With ruined catchments and large-scale dam building, the future is hazardous,'' said Ravindranath who works with ‘River Basin Friends', a well-known environmental organization.

An important aspect of this year's floods was that while floods were reported from what were regarded as water-deficit areas (there was a highly destructive flood in one of India's most drought-prone districts - Barmer in Rajasthan), some of the surplus basins experienced drought-like conditions, said Iyer.

Activists say this year's apparent mismanagement is the best argument yet against India's ambitious but controversial plan to link together its major rivers to offset floods against droughts that occur simultaneously in widely-separated parts of the vast country. (END)
 
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Large Dams Blamed for Floods
By Bharat Dogra

NEW DELHI, Sep 4, 2006 (IPS) - While floods are a perennial feature of the Indian sub-continent, this year's inundations have left leading environmental activists pointing fingers at the many large dams built precisely with the idea of controlling natural water systems.

''There is much to learn from the experience of floods this monsoon. Contrary to the case made out for large dams for controlling floods, the flood situation has actually been worsened by the dams,'' said Medha Patkar, internationally-known anti-big dam campaigner.

This year, with several downstream states accusing those upstream with improperly timed water releases, it has become particularly hard for the champions of big dams to hit back at people like Patkar. Even officials in Nepal have accused India of not opening sluice channels in time, aggravating floods in that Himalayan country.

‘'Mismanagement and negligent operations of the large reservoirs on the Tapti, Narmada, Krishna, Godavari, Mahi and Sabarmati rivers have created man-made disaster in the states of Gujarat, Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh, Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh,'' said Himanshu Thakkar, hydrologist and coordinator for the South Asia Network on Dams, Rivers and People (SANDRP). ‘'The worst affected states are also the ones with the biggest dams''.

Thakkar has been demanding a ‘'credible, independent enquiry as to why such a situation arose when they it could have been avoided with more optimal operation of projects.'' The true extent of the damage cause by the floods is yet to be estimated but hundreds of thousands of people are reported to have been affected.

Some experts believe that this year's deluge, affecting large parts of the country, resulted from a failure to balance properly flood control with the others major uses of big dams -irrigation and hydro-power generation.

Ramaswamy Iyer, former chief secretary in the water resources ministry, told IPS that many of the dams were specifically designed for flood control. ‘'But there is an inherent conflict of this objective with the other objective of trying to maximize hydro-power and irrigation,'' he said.

Iyer said while flood control demands that dams allow adequate space to receive flood flows, the objective of maximizing hydro-power potential means that water level in dams is kept as high as possible. ‘'As there is greater pressure to increase power generation, the objective of flood control gets lesser attention. This can lead to a situation when water has to be released suddenly on a large scale leading to disastrous flash floods,'' he said.

Dinesh Mishra, an engineer and convenor of the Barh Mukti Abhiyan (Campaign for Freedom from Foods) says: ‘'It has been widely acknowledged in official documents that the siltation rate of an overwhelming number of dams has been much higher than original estimates. The real problem is silt, not water. Silt eats up the storage capacity of reservoirs. Hence, their capacity to absorb flood flow is reduced."

But Thakkar attributes this year's devastation to sheer mismanagement. In particular, he says, the floods which ravaged Surat city in the western state of Gujarat were preventable. Known for its diamond cutting industry, the city saw three-fourths of its area submerged with the army having to be called out to rescue thousands of marooned people.

An estimated three million people had to do without basic needs such as food and clean water on the evening of Aug. 6, when the irrigation department suddenly released 800,000 cusecs of water from the Ukai dam.

According to Thakkar enough information on rainfall was available to suggest that water release in manageable quantities should have started from Aug. 1. But this was neglected so that when water was finally released it was about double the drainage capacity of the Tapti river. Worse, water was released around high tide.

In the Marathawada region of western Maharashtra state, where hundreds of farmers were reported to have committed suicide this year following drought-related distress, the situation changed to one of worse distress from floods.

Vijay Diwan, an activist with Nisarg Mitra Mandal, has monitored the situation carefully. He says: "A comparison with the rainfall for the earlier five years shows that rain has not been significantly higher this year in districts like Jalna, Parbani and Nanded, so people are asking whether these floods were related to the mismanagement of projects like Jayakwadi and Issaper dams and Vishnupuri Lift Irrigation Project."

People in these parts were caught between large volumes of water released from upper dams and no water release from lower dams, said Diwan. There was considerable water already stored in the dams when the rain started.

Thakkar points out that data available for several dams show that they had substantial water just before the onset of monsoon and therefore, had much less capacity to absorb monsoon flows.

‘'Of course reservoirs need to store water as protection against the possible failure of monsoon, but there have to be some norms about what is adequate protection. In the case of Ukai, the water in storage before monsoon was much greater than the needs of Surat,'' said Thakkar. ‘'Clearly there are several aspects of dam management that can be debated, but this year's floods have led to serious doubts about the usefulness of dams for flood-protection.''

Ravindranath, an activist closely involved with flood-warning in northeastern Assam state, said: "Our past experience has been that even relatively small dams have been able to unleash destructive flash floods, but now nearly 160 dams are being planned in the northeast and some of these are very massive projects''.

Moreover, the north-east has been witness to large-scale ecological destruction in the catchment areas due to illegal lumbering, quarrying and mining. ‘'With ruined catchments and large-scale dam building, the future is hazardous,'' said Ravindranath who works with ‘River Basin Friends', a well-known environmental organization.

An important aspect of this year's floods was that while floods were reported from what were regarded as water-deficit areas (there was a highly destructive flood in one of India's most drought-prone districts - Barmer in Rajasthan), some of the surplus basins experienced drought-like conditions, said Iyer.

Activists say this year's apparent mismanagement is the best argument yet against India's ambitious but controversial plan to link together its major rivers to offset floods against droughts that occur simultaneously in widely-separated parts of the vast country. (END)

That is a general article articulating as to how power generation is given much more importance than flood control aspect of dams.

Extrapolating that to conclude that India caused the flood in Pakistan would require some creative thinking......... which obviously you are quite capable of.
 
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Large Dams Blamed for Floods
By Bharat Dogra

NEW DELHI, Sep 4, 2006 (IPS) - While floods are a perennial feature of the Indian sub-continent, this year's inundations have left leading environmental activists pointing fingers at the many large dams built precisely with the idea of controlling natural water systems.

''There is much to learn from the experience of floods this monsoon. Contrary to the case made out for large dams for controlling floods, the flood situation has actually been worsened by the dams,'' said Medha Patkar, internationally-known anti-big dam campaigner.

This year, with several downstream states accusing those upstream with improperly timed water releases, it has become particularly hard for the champions of big dams to hit back at people like Patkar. Even officials in Nepal have accused India of not opening sluice channels in time, aggravating floods in that Himalayan country.

‘'Mismanagement and negligent operations of the large reservoirs on the Tapti, Narmada, Krishna, Godavari, Mahi and Sabarmati rivers have created man-made disaster in the states of Gujarat, Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh, Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh,'' said Himanshu Thakkar, hydrologist and coordinator for the South Asia Network on Dams, Rivers and People (SANDRP). ‘'The worst affected states are also the ones with the biggest dams''.

Thakkar has been demanding a ‘'credible, independent enquiry as to why such a situation arose when they it could have been avoided with more optimal operation of projects.'' The true extent of the damage cause by the floods is yet to be estimated but hundreds of thousands of people are reported to have been affected.

Some experts believe that this year's deluge, affecting large parts of the country, resulted from a failure to balance properly flood control with the others major uses of big dams -irrigation and hydro-power generation.

Ramaswamy Iyer, former chief secretary in the water resources ministry, told IPS that many of the dams were specifically designed for flood control. ‘'But there is an inherent conflict of this objective with the other objective of trying to maximize hydro-power and irrigation,'' he said.

Iyer said while flood control demands that dams allow adequate space to receive flood flows, the objective of maximizing hydro-power potential means that water level in dams is kept as high as possible. ‘'As there is greater pressure to increase power generation, the objective of flood control gets lesser attention. This can lead to a situation when water has to be released suddenly on a large scale leading to disastrous flash floods,'' he said.

Dinesh Mishra, an engineer and convenor of the Barh Mukti Abhiyan (Campaign for Freedom from Foods) says: ‘'It has been widely acknowledged in official documents that the siltation rate of an overwhelming number of dams has been much higher than original estimates. The real problem is silt, not water. Silt eats up the storage capacity of reservoirs. Hence, their capacity to absorb flood flow is reduced."

But Thakkar attributes this year's devastation to sheer mismanagement. In particular, he says, the floods which ravaged Surat city in the western state of Gujarat were preventable. Known for its diamond cutting industry, the city saw three-fourths of its area submerged with the army having to be called out to rescue thousands of marooned people.

An estimated three million people had to do without basic needs such as food and clean water on the evening of Aug. 6, when the irrigation department suddenly released 800,000 cusecs of water from the Ukai dam.

According to Thakkar enough information on rainfall was available to suggest that water release in manageable quantities should have started from Aug. 1. But this was neglected so that when water was finally released it was about double the drainage capacity of the Tapti river. Worse, water was released around high tide.

In the Marathawada region of western Maharashtra state, where hundreds of farmers were reported to have committed suicide this year following drought-related distress, the situation changed to one of worse distress from floods.

Vijay Diwan, an activist with Nisarg Mitra Mandal, has monitored the situation carefully. He says: "A comparison with the rainfall for the earlier five years shows that rain has not been significantly higher this year in districts like Jalna, Parbani and Nanded, so people are asking whether these floods were related to the mismanagement of projects like Jayakwadi and Issaper dams and Vishnupuri Lift Irrigation Project."

People in these parts were caught between large volumes of water released from upper dams and no water release from lower dams, said Diwan. There was considerable water already stored in the dams when the rain started.

Thakkar points out that data available for several dams show that they had substantial water just before the onset of monsoon and therefore, had much less capacity to absorb monsoon flows.

‘'Of course reservoirs need to store water as protection against the possible failure of monsoon, but there have to be some norms about what is adequate protection. In the case of Ukai, the water in storage before monsoon was much greater than the needs of Surat,'' said Thakkar. ‘'Clearly there are several aspects of dam management that can be debated, but this year's floods have led to serious doubts about the usefulness of dams for flood-protection.''

Ravindranath, an activist closely involved with flood-warning in northeastern Assam state, said: "Our past experience has been that even relatively small dams have been able to unleash destructive flash floods, but now nearly 160 dams are being planned in the northeast and some of these are very massive projects''.

Moreover, the north-east has been witness to large-scale ecological destruction in the catchment areas due to illegal lumbering, quarrying and mining. ‘'With ruined catchments and large-scale dam building, the future is hazardous,'' said Ravindranath who works with ‘River Basin Friends', a well-known environmental organization.

An important aspect of this year's floods was that while floods were reported from what were regarded as water-deficit areas (there was a highly destructive flood in one of India's most drought-prone districts - Barmer in Rajasthan), some of the surplus basins experienced drought-like conditions, said Iyer.

Activists say this year's apparent mismanagement is the best argument yet against India's ambitious but controversial plan to link together its major rivers to offset floods against droughts that occur simultaneously in widely-separated parts of the vast country. (END)

Can't you provide something meaningful and related to topic???:what:
 
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That is a general article articulating as to how power generation is given much more importance than flood control aspect of dams.

Extrapolating that to conclude that India caused the flood in Pakistan would require some creative thinking......... which obviously you are quite capable of.

Whenever its something to do with India, you would be surprised how imaginative some people's minds can get. Fact and reason fly out of the window and delusions and paranoia take their place.

Can't you provide something meaningful and related to topic???:what:

Its evident you dont know him well :flame:

BATMAN, the dams in India have been releasing water. But thats because they are full themselves. And all this water is being released into India itself. Read the articles you posted.

The cause for the floods have been clearly highlighted by KingOfGods in his previous posts, but you keep ignoring that and posting articles that actually don't support your argument much. Only the Xinhua article is actually implicating India, but then again, the water is being released due to the dam being full, and most of it will flow through INDIA before entering Pakistan. If that DAM wasn't there, the water would have just flown directly into Pakistan.

I think the Mods should close this thread. Its just spewing paranoia now. It has been proven that India isn't casuing the floods, and some just refuse to believe
 
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Quite very much contradiction among the Indian statements themselves.

Coltsfan, mind your words and since you fail to see that the subject of the news says 'Large Dams Blamed For Floods' and is from indian source, whereas i did not made any comment and yet you point fingers at me?

I advise read all the posted news from before posting comments or other wise i started to believe all of you have gone bonkers!!!
 
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Any reason that you can think for releasing water.............To wipe out Pakistan; its your answer, right???


Do you want that we carry on to store water above the capacity of dams and let them collapse???

Can you imagine what will be the condition of flood after collapsing the dam????


:smokin:

Finally, some one agreed that it was not rains which flooded Pakistan.
Ok, the intent of releasing water can be discussed...... though.
 
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