Pakistan Sets Eyes on China’s New J-35 Fighter Jet

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

This won't get selected by Pakistani Top Brass , it won't pass the high standard for trials

• Z-10 for rejected for Mythical , Super Cobras we had 4 machines we returned it politely
• J-10B order was halted after General Musharraf had done all the good work
• MPT Turkish Rifles were , again not up to Mythical high standards but 1950 rifles are great
• No push was made to acquire South African Helicopters
• In 90's when we had few Destroyers available it was deemed too expensive
• 20 years War on Terror and we are still driving Toyota Trucks while world armies are using Armored Carriers

Once in blue moon a missile is launched at Sea targeting a mermaid

 

[Ultima Thule]

This won't get selected by Pakistani Top Brass , it won't pass the high standard for trials

• Z-10 for rejected for Mythical , Super Cobras
• J-10B order was halted after General Musharraf had done all the good work
• MPT Turkish Rifles were , again not up to Mythical high standards but 1950 rifles are great
• No push was made to acquire South African Helicopters
• In 90's when we had few Destroyers available it was deemed too expensive

you know what is the technicalities for not choosing Z-10???
PA knows better than all of us that's why they not buy Z-10

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Then why is China using it as a Primary Gunship in it's military huh ?

 

[Ultima Thule]

Then why is China using it as a Primary Gunship in it's military huh ?

They have their choice but PA had not satisfied with the performance of Z-10

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Bingo ... and thus J35 will follow similar pattern

 

[Ultima Thule]

Bingo ... and thus J35 will follow similar pattern

They are more experience in fighter jets developments than heli development remember sir Z-10 is the first dedicated attack heli for PLAA, so performance might be poorer than western attack helis for comparison

 

[Figaro]

Then why is China using it as a Primary Gunship in it's military huh ?

Z-10 satisfies the requirements of the PLAGF ... they clearly don't need an Apache level super heavy attack helicopter. It's not like they don't have the technology or engine either to make one happen. And as @Ultima Thule said, it was their first attempt and honestly not a bad one either given how many are in service today.

Bingo ... and thus J35 will follow similar pattern

Why do you assume the Chinese J-35 won't be good? If its accepted by the PLAAF, which generally has very high standards for combat aircraft (thus why FC-31 was not accepted a couple years ago), I find it highly unlikely Pakistan won't accept it. If India manages to acquire fifth generation fighters, then the likelihood of Pakistan acquiring the J-35 goes up even higher given that the J-20 is not for sale.

 

[crankthatskunk]

Wow Great news.
How many we are getting!!

What Modi's next punch line would be instead of
"Agar Raphel hota tu .............." !!!

 

[ARMalik]

People have misinterpreted the statement of Chief of Air Staff (CAS) Air Chief Marshal (ACM) Sohail Aman regarding what Project AZM is, and honestly they are simply twisting his statement. Here is what CAS himself said:

“Our engineering and operational staff have indigenized few core capabilities which are truly high-tech … [the] initiative of Project Azam was thus encouraged, which is the designing of the 5th-generation fighter aircraft, [MALE] UAVs – which are [in the] final stages of design, development of advanced weapons – few of them already produced – and other key projects…”


WHERE THE HELL DID CAS SAY THAT PAF WILL PRODUCE 100% 5th Gen Fighter jet locally??? Please go ahead and enlighten me as where did he say this??

In fact, it is VERY CLEAR from his statement that AZM is more or less a JV with China or whoever the other country is. What CAS is saying is that they want to develop CORE CAPABILITIES of 5th Gen Fighter Jet. Now these core capabilities can be things like local mastery and production of 5th Gen Avionics, Radars, weapons, ECM, EMP, software/hardware, Stealth features and so forth. In all likelihood, the PAF staff have already been working with China on design issues since 2016 if not earlier. And that is why the CAS has said in his statement that "final stages of design, development of advanced weapons – few of them already produced – and other key projects". This probably means that THE DESIGN WAS FINALIZED or was in the process of being finalized in 2016/2017 and that is why PAF knew exactly what types of weapons to produced for the 5th Gen fighter, and hence they started working on these weapons, and as a result some of these 'advance weapons' have already been produced.

So in short, PAF's 5th Gen Fighter would NOT be 100% Local, and in fact it would be a JV with a strategic partner like China.

 

[Falcon26]

People have misinterpreted the statement of Chief of Air Staff (CAS) Air Chief Marshal (ACM) Sohail Aman regarding what Project AZM is, and honestly they are simply twisting his statement. Here is what CAS himself said:

“Our engineering and operational staff have indigenized few core capabilities which are truly high-tech … [the] initiative of Project Azam was thus encouraged, which is the designing of the 5th-generation fighter aircraft, [MALE] UAVs – which are [in the] final stages of design, development of advanced weapons – few of them already produced – and other key projects…”


WHERE THE HELL DID CAS SAY THAT PAF WILL PRODUCE 100% 5th Gen Fighter jet locally??? Please go ahead and enlighten me as where did he say this??

In fact, it is VERY CLEAR from his statement that AZM is more or less a JV with China or whoever the other country is. What CAS is saying is that they want to develop CORE CAPABILITIES of 5th Gen Fighter Jet. Now these core capabilities can be things like local mastery and production of 5th Gen Avionics, Radars, weapons, ECM, EMP, software/hardware, Stealth features and so forth. In all likelihood, the PAF staff have already been working with China on design issues since 2016 if not earlier. And that is why the CAS has said in his statement that "final stages of design, development of advanced weapons – few of them already produced – and other key projects". This probably means that THE DESIGN WAS FINALIZED or was in the process of being finalized in 2016/2017 and that is why PAF knew exactly what types of weapons to produced for the 5th Gen fighter, and hence they started working on these weapons, and as a result some of these 'advance weapons' have already been produced.

So in short, PAF's 5th Gen Fighter would NOT be 100% Local, and in fact it would be a JV with a strategic partner like China.

In fact, this is exactly what a major NYT story on Pakistan and China’s strategic relationship a while back said @Bilal Khan (Quwa)

 

[MastanKhan]

IMO... I don't think the PAF AHQ was confident about designing AZM alone. I originally felt that designing the jet and using COTS inputs would've been possible, but even then, there are a lot of things we'd need to master first (e.g., flight control tech) before making serious progress in such a project.

Ultimately, the PAF was going to roll AZM into another fighter program, either from China or Turkey. I think the likelier outcome is China, and the one program available for that purpose is the FC-31. But while the two will be related, the FC-31 and J-35 are going to be distinct variants (the latter designed for naval ops, and likely costlier than FC-31 due to the necessary changes).

We should also bear in mind that the PAF wants the new fighter sooner than later. So, the only option that can qualify is the FC-31, since it is the farthest along.

Ideally, we would take on the FC-31, but separately, have a totally in-house combat aircraft program centered on developing flight control tech, composites, electronics, etc. So, while we induct the FC-31, we also build a R&D base to develop something new, like a strike UCAV, loyal wingman drones, EW/ECM decoys, etc.

Hi,

The term---Project AZM was like the " tail light of a truck "---. It got the attention of the adversaries diverted elsewhere and Pak and china solidified the J31 program and have taken it further---.

The best of the best fell and some idiots fell for that " AZM" term---. Over in the planning and engineering depts they were falling off their chairs laughing---seeing people were so gullible and so illiterate---about the subject matter.

A few were sad at the sorry state of education and learning abilities of the young pakistanis---who basically were clueless to the difficulties involved in a massive---requiring leading edge engineering project like that---.

But---congratulations people---.

Oh---as for the link---I have written to the " Link factory " to send some link---. Our european spy wants the links...

 

[volatile]

The FC-31 was originally powered by Klimov RD-33 engines, the same engines that power Russia’s MiG-29 fighter jet.

Aqalmandon ke liya Nishanian

http://www.deagel.com/Propulsion-Systems/RD-93MA_a000909005.aspx

With in house overhaul facility for RD93 in Pakistan and China uses RD93 derivatives in FC31 its an ideal procurement .For sensor suite we need to look West some where till Chinese avionics comes at par or may be by 2025 they will reach to that level

 

[Indos]

Z-10 satisfies the requirements of the PLAGF ... they clearly don't need an Apache level super heavy attack helicopter. It's not like they don't have the technology or engine either to make one happen. And as @Ultima Thule said, it was their first attempt and honestly not a bad one either given how many are in service today.


Why do you assume the Chinese J-35 won't be good? If its accepted by the PLAAF, which generally has very high standards for combat aircraft (thus why FC-31 was not accepted a couple years ago), I find it highly unlikely Pakistan won't accept it. If India manages to acquire fifth generation fighters, then the likelihood of Pakistan acquiring the J-35 goes up even higher given that the J-20 is not for sale.

How do you know J 20 is not for sale, is it just your own conclusion or there is official confirmation on this ?

 

[Figaro]

How do you know J 20 is not for sale, is it just your own conclusion or there is official confirmation on this ?

Basically official confirmation
https://www.defenseworld.net/news/1...ot_For_Sale_To_Foreign_Customers#.Xwaz6ZNKhBw

 

[Deino]

The FC-31 was originally powered by Klimov RD-33 engines, the same engines that power Russia’s MiG-29 fighter jet.

Aqalmandon ke liya Nishanian

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http://www.deagel.com/Propulsion-Systems/RD-93MA_a000909005.aspx

With in house overhaul facility for RD93 in Pakistan and China uses RD93 derivatives in FC31 its an ideal procurement .For sensor suite we need to look West some where till Chinese avionics comes at par or may be by 2025 they will reach to that level

I know again I'm the devil's advocate, but IMO deagel is far from a reliable source (just look what Chinese stealth planes they list! ) and even more IMO it is not a RD-33 but a RD-93 with the gear-box attached to the bottom as in the JF-17 and the J-10 with the AL-31FN.