Pakistan Rejected CIA Request for Drone Strike in January

[Jihad]

Khar is not a 'PPP Jiyala', and therefore not your typical PPP politician. She was groomed under Musharraf after all.

Could it be that with the PPP leadership (the pair of incompetent clowns called Zardari and Gillani) has been too busy trying to become political martyrs (or paint themselves as such) and therefore not really been able to influence foreign policy direction, and Khar was therefore able to convey an unfiltered message.

The fact that the PPP leadership has not (AFAIK) spread word of this particular exchange might suggest that Zardari+Gillani did not support Khar's comments, and are trying to minimize the impact by ignoring them.

You have a very good point there AM.

I'm just tired of Pakistan being portrayed as lackey in the general media, while in reality, it's this core group consisting of e.g. Zardari, Nawaz and so forth who are lions during their jalsas when they present themselves, but when or if in charge and they have to deal with the Americans, they succumb to pressure and become mere kittens.
While I know from the bottom of my heart that the common Pakistani is not like that, does not like to give in so easily and sure as hell does not want to be treated as a dog.

I admire the way you have defended Pakistan's interests all the way AM, for you are a true Pakistani with his heart in the right place, it's a shame you're not into active politics, and I mean that.

It is one of the reasons why I continue to believe that Pakistan has level-headed and bold people with the right mindset. If you would read the news about Pakistan, you'd think that it's some kind of alien nations full of suicide bombers.

Our nation as a whole is a rough diamond which needs to be polished, that's the way I see it, so much potential, it's incredible, and sitting on top of all that potential is the U.S. government combined with the current Pakistani government.

Why would the Americans request to perform a drone strike in the first place? Especially after the Binladen saga....

It makes no sense, unless the Americans feel that they've shoved their boots enough up our ***** and want to take things more sincere and "polite" by asking us first.

Just PR stunts if you ask me, are we meant to say "Ohh...wow, hats off to our government for rejecting that!"

 

[EjazR]

Pakistani forces will not act against the drones unless the Zardari regime is removed from power, because if they do the government will not support their action.

That is the most illogical statement ever.

Are you saying that if the PAF takes down a drone the GoP will not own it and play it to the gallery? Its public opinion ratings will sky rocket.

Infact, Zardari would at this point in time love to show how anti-American he is given the position he is. But the PAF is not under his control.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Infact, Zardari would at this point in time love to show how anti-American he is given the position he is. But the PAF is not under his control.

Then all he has to do is have the government issue an official and public statement ordering for any and all unauthorised drones/aircraft on the Western front to be shot down - the PAF and PA would be humiliated if they refused to follow through, and the PPP could highlight that failure to follow through and both improve its own image and reduce public support for the military.

I understand that Indians love Zardari and try to justify his failures anyway possible, but on this issue Zardari and the PPP government have the advantage over the military, if they really want to shoot down drones.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Are you saying that if the PAF takes down a drone the GoP will not own it and play it to the gallery? Its public opinion ratings will sky rocket.
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yes

undeliverable for an outsider but true...
since you dont live in Pakistan and dont follow the daily public statements you missed out what the PP said to its local audience

it said that the international matters and relations are still being managed by the military and it has no say in it. The PM said it, then the interior minister said it, the foreign minister contradicted it and blamed the media of twisting the words, the interior Minster said PPP was with the military then the PM said that opposition was lying and PPP was in full control and then Zardari said the same thing PM said originally and so forth? Doesn’t make sense what I am talking about? Well it doesn’t to us too as Pakistanis so what chance you have…

if the military takes “ANY” unilateral action, the PPP will jump on the opportunity and say that military is trying to destabilise the state and the government and since PPP are the barons of democracy they would never had ordered or supported a violent confrontation with the USA. PM has said it before that blocking NATO supplies was the GHQ decision but then retracted when the opposition booed him.
Actually PPP would love any incident that results in PA and American confrontation because that will get them out of the hot seat. It is under tremendous pressure re memo scandal and the Swiss case about swindling and looting the Pakistani money and siphoning it to Swiss accounts.

This is why PPP is impatiently waiting for Gen Musharraf to return back to Pakistan and “save” it. They have already exposed their plans use him to divert the attention away from its inept and disgraceful governance. One minister says that he will be arrested on arrival and bundled up and taken to the countries worse jail and kept in 3rd degree cell. The other says he will be tried and punished for Benazir’s murder and another says he will be punished for Bughti’s murder and dragging Pakistani into WoT.

One of the brains behind this attitude is currently hiding in PM house aka former ambassador to USA Mr Haqqani. About whom some people say that he was the actual Haqqani network that has played a major part in causing distrust and bringing hostilities between Pakistan and USA. He went on an overdrive to pour anti PA propaganda among the US administration that even made them wonder what his problem was with the army. Removing him has been too late because the Slala attack by the Americans has a lot to do with what Haqqani has been feeding the Americans. That is why I can safely assume that when the late Nov-11 incident happened he would have jumped with joy and menacingly laughed over the tragedy that Pakistan army had to suffer at the hands of a war ally. Although he would have done it for free but he has been paid good chunk of money to write and spread anti Pakistani propaganda by certain US think tank.

Coming back to PPP, its mainly a feudal party and the feudal lords don’t like competition, army is competition in the Pakistani politics and its governance . Therefore they both have never been best pals for as long as both have existed in Pakistan. currently PPP is having a worse time of its government. Public approval is rock bottom and its under constant wrath of the Supreme court. Any major national or international incident here will be its relief and it will thank all its gods if that happens.

They have already thrown a hint of sacking the military leadership by saying “they are not planning to sack Kyani and Pasha” such statement is meant to be a message. All Zardari (when I say PPP it means Zardari) and vice versa) needs is once incident that involves a war of the words between GHQ and Pentagon or another major terrorism in Kabul or violation by Americans in Pakistani space. Zardari will toss the ready made statement explaining the PA leaderships conspiracy and then follow it up with sacking the generals while the public is still trying to recover from the initial news intake.

If I was Zardari, I would have already rehearsed by speech explaining the Americans and the Pakistani public about the treachery of PA leadership , then using it to sack the generals and then sit back and enjoy the show.

 

[Rank]

B**** THN WHY TWO DRONE ATTACKS IN Janurary already?????

 

[Irfan Baloch]

B**** THN WHY TWO DRONE ATTACKS IN Janurary already?????

yea why?

what do you think?

 

[Rank]

yea why?

what do you think?

sedhay alfaaz may is govt aur fauj nay *** banaya huwa hey koom ko dono jhotay!

 

[VCheng]

B**** THN WHY TWO DRONE ATTACKS IN Janurary already?????

I think that is called "Business as Usual".

 

[VCheng]

..................... I need ban for some months - exams coming up).

Good Luck in your exams!

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I think that is called "Business as Usual".

shocking comment

how can a drone stike be business as usual? its not a school run or an odd out meal for a change is it?

look what you made that exam guy do.. he is all pink because of that business

 

[VCheng]

shocking comment

how can a drone stike be business as usual? its not a school run or an odd out meal for a change is it?

look what you made that exam guy do.. he is all pink because of that business

I am sorry that my comment, simply honest as it is, caused any shock; that was not the intent.

I did not make anybody do anything; I reiterate my good wishes for his success in the exam.

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On a more serious note, drone attacks are an integral part of the WoT, and shall continue to be so for the foreseeable future; hence my comment of "business as usual" without characterizing it any further.

 

[fd24]

shocking comment

how can a drone stike be business as usual? its not a school run or an odd out meal for a change is it?

look what you made that exam guy do.. he is all pink because of that business

Be honest - did you expect anything different from the opinionator? Shocking comment indeed but sadly expected and shows the mindset to all.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I am sorry that my comment, simply honest as it is, caused any shock; that was not the intent.

I did not make anybody do anything; I reiterate my good wishes for his success in the exam.

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On a more serious note, drone attacks are an integral part of the WoT, and shall continue to be so for the foreseeable future; hence my comment of "business as usual" without characterizing it any further.

you could have said that earlier.

this is the most appropriate definition IMO

 

[Donatello]

I am sorry that my comment, simply honest as it is, caused any shock; that was not the intent.

I did not make anybody do anything; I reiterate my good wishes for his success in the exam.

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On a more serious note, drone attacks are an integral part of the WoT, and shall continue to be so for the foreseeable future; hence my comment of "business as usual" without characterizing it any further.

Yes VCheng, we know it is never the intent in your comments..........(Sarcasm)

 

[VCheng]

you could have said that earlier.

this is the most appropriate definition IMO

Given that definition, it would be interesting to see how the PNSC's recommendations, when they are finalized for implementation, handle this aspect of the WoT, given the words already on record by the Pakistani leadership about protecting the territorial integrity of the country.