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Pakistan: Redefining Nationhood and concept of 'Citizen'

Law of the land applies. What you are saying sounds like BS, an Afghan violates traffic signal and we hand him over to Afghan govt with proof:lol:
Really? How has that worked out so far? :coffee:

It doesnt work that way in the real world if not do you think we would be having soo many Afghanis in our country?

Refugees are usually deported after they have served their sentence.
Yes usually but the reality is they havent been...

"Traumatised" refugee punished less for raping his new neighbours
Pakistani state has also punished Afghan refugees involved in crimes and terrorism.
What makes you think we spare them when we don't spare our own :D
Money! If they can run our business as so many have been crying...How do you think punishable people got their hands that deep? :coffee:

Facts vs few cases doesnt eliminate the fact!

You are so desperate you even picked EU migration policy? Sweden isnt Afghanistan's neighbour!

That is the mentality why our own have to pick up weapons against the injustices of the state.
You mean to say prior to refugee problems our feudal lords and landlords had no access to guns nor owned any which they used for badmashi? Really?

How old are you?

Ab ap ki insaniyat ghaas charne chali gaye hay?
Baloch have genuine concerns, their land is the most underdeveloped, they don't have schools, hospitals even SuiGas and now they face threat of turning a minority in their own land...Even CPEC projects have been diverted to Punjab by Ganja Bradran. And you want us to deal with those which you perhaps think are sub-humans.
I never stated that...Kind of shows your mentality more than mine! The fact of the matter is we CAN and SHOULD deal / help our citizens coz we can....We CANT meddle with Refugees they are protected under human rights BS laws!

BIG DIFFERENCE!

Which civil war?
That is a very weird statement. Not a civil war (unless mazaras launch an uprising).
I am talking about real civil war like one in FATA/Balochistan.
Civil war is any war within the land...FATA and Balochistan are examples of civil war by definition! When tribal wars occur that too by definition is a civil war...Might not be as big as the only example people know (American civil war) but it is a civil war!

You allow a fifth column in your country and get ready to reap what you want to sow.
These people hate Pakistan and Punjab.
A decade down the line and we will witness a PTM/TTP style rebellion by Afghans when their numbers swell.
THEN you will be able to deal with them coz they will have Pakistani citizenship and are not under INTERNATIONAL LAWS which govern refugees!

But it's useless trying to convince you since you want to "deal with" our own and at the same time your heart bleeds for people who are the most anti-Pakistan people on earth...Apne logo ke concerns sunno, instead of playing humanity humanity in the name of refugees.
Sigh...Why did I even think children on this forum can be reasoned with when they cant even grasp simple words of English and simple concepts at international levels?!

Pak is more like a Saltanat where different Millets live together under a strong Devlet with a strong Ordu...
Well not really, there is very little uniting them except maybe hate for their neighbours in East and West! Apart from that any day A baloch will blame any other Pakistani for his province and not the politicians they elect! The Sindhi will blame the Punjabis not the politicians they elect and the Punjabis will blame the Pushtoon...The pushtoon have the Afghanis to blame....and so on! NOT one will get up to build the nation not one will stand up with the other except when it comes to hating!
 
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It doesnt work that way in the real world if not do you think we would be having soo many Afghanis in our country?
Since when did you fall down in the real world from the high horse of humanity you were riding?
Yes usually but the reality is they havent been...
Pointless.
Giving green ids will magically make them Pak loving law abiding citizens?
Money! If they can run our business as so many have been crying...How do you think punishable people got their hands that deep? :coffee:
Giving them green IDs will make them law abiding ?
Do you have any clue how many Pakistanis are tax evaders? Most Pakistanis who make bucketloads of money through business don't pay a penny to FBR.

In case you did not care to read the whole report, those Pakistanis were against the award of citizenship to the Afghans.
Moreover it looks like you want tax paying law abiding patriotic Pakistani businessmen to keep on crying and suffering---and at the same time allow anti-Pakistan elements to do what they want at will.
You are so desperate you even picked EU migration policy? Sweden isnt Afghanistan's neighbour!
You said we can't kick refugees because of international laws. I showed you that not only we did but others like Sweden also did.
There was nothing left for you to reply, so you made a useless and hollow statement instead.
Now talk of desperation
You mean to say prior to refugee problems our feudal lords and landlords had no access to guns nor owned any which they used for badmashi? Really?

How old are you?
Brings a landlords firearm and a law and order issue in an Afghan refugee thread and says it's a civil war.
How old are you or let me rephrase how confused are you?
.We CANT meddle with Refugees they are protected under human rights BS laws!
I already showed you that we were kicking them out till the new PM came.
This blackmail wont continue. Iran kicked all of Afghan refugees out so must we.
State comes first. International law(blackmail) can take a hike.
Civil war is any war within the land...FATA and Balochistan are examples of civil war by definition! When tribal wars occur that too by definition is a civil war...Might not be as big as the only example people know (American civil war) but it is a civil war!
You should learn to properly read what you are about to quote before jumping on your keyboard to reply.
I am talking about real civil war like one in FATA/Balochistan.
THEN you will be able to deal with them coz they will have Pakistani citizenship and are not under INTERNATIONAL LAWS which govern refugees!
They claim Pakistani land from Khyber till Attock as Afghan land.
Hate Pakistan from the bottom of their hearts.
Involved in most crimes.
And THEN you want us to grant them citizenship? Might as well award Nerendra Modi and Jogi Addittyanath with Pakistani citizenship while you are at it.

And no, you WONT be able to deal with them as they wouldn't be distinguishable from the ordinary folk and will hide under the charade of patriotism.
We kicked 600000 of them already out, it's far easier and safer option.
The fact of the matter is we CAN and SHOULD deal / help our citizens coz we can
If you really want to HELP them then let me inform you that THEY want Afghan refugees out, and they oppose grant of citizenship to Afghans.
It's better we listen to their concerns as they are our own.
Kind of shows your mentality more than mine!
No, it shows your mentality since you always said if they are against the idea of giving Afghans citizenship then we must "deal with" them. It is clearly visible what you mean when you say "I thought the army was dealing with them" ...
I on the other hand always talked about listening to their concerns as they, according to me, are our own.
THEN you will be able to deal with them coz they will have Pakistani citizenship and are not under INTERNATIONAL LAWS which govern refugees!
Yeah deal with people who will be able to infiltrate Armed forces, police, civil institutions, bureaucracy and parliament ....sure it will be much easier to deal with them then....after we let these Pak-hating people get in these sensitive institutions in place of our own patriotic children...Then the real subversion will start.
Sigh...Why did I even think children on this forum can be reasoned with when they cant even grasp simple words of English and simple concepts at international levels?!
Saw the "quality" of your arguments, if they can be categorized as such. Must say, I am unimpressed.

Now you resort to personal attacks after you failed to bring any solid argument in favor of your stance. It is useless since you are perhaps unaware of the simple fact that morality and humanity have no business in the matters of the state. That is the practice worldwide, only those who are ruthless survive, the softer ones perish.

Imran Khan made a blunder but finally, sanity prevailed in the corridors of power and they decided not to give citizenship to the Afghans---a bad news for you.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1434169
@Desert Fox

Good bye
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For the female subject in order to transition to the status of a citizen she must get married and have at least one child with her husband with three being the maximum recommended limit. If the female subject happens to divorce her husband she loses her citizenship status. This is the case because women who are married and have at least one child think and make decisions for the long term because their children's well-being is intertwined with the Nations well-being since they now have a steak in it's future, whereas single women and single mothers vote differently. There are studies that indicate this and which can be searched on google.

Is this idea borrowed from ISIS?

Basically what it says is that they have to prove that they are baby making machines only, to become citizens?

Well there can be many other valid reasons for them to become citizens .... then forced prostitution type option only.


Or Nabi yusuf's choice to run away from his task and end up in the belly of the fish?

Hazrat Younas Peace be upon him.

Or ask you about what some Khalifah were thinking when they were building castles and keeping concubines which was against Islam?

Not Caliphs / Khalifah but sultans and kings.

I hope you don't mind correcting your typos.
 
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Is this idea borrowed from ISIS?
If you say so then yes :coffee:

Basically what it says is that they have to prove that they are baby making machines only, to become citizens?
Well there can be many other valid reasons for them to become citizens .... then forced prostitution type option only.
ISIS baby making prostitute machines? Cool concept bro :-):yahoo:
 
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If you say so then yes :coffee:



ISIS baby making prostitute machines? Cool concept bro :-):yahoo:


You seriously need to amend that paragraph ....... it sounds sexist, discriminating and insulting. There can other criteria
 
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You seriously need to amend that paragraph ....... it sounds sexist, discriminating and insulting. There can other criteria
Mmm, no. I think I agree with your strawmanning of my post, it makes complete sense. :-):agree:

Now you resort to personal attacks after you failed to bring any solid argument in favor of your stance. It is useless since you are perhaps unaware of the simple fact that morality and humanity have no business in the matters of the state. That is the practice worldwide, only those who are ruthless survive, the softer ones perish.
Shes not arguing in good faith, she strawmanned my OP. I made the mistake of responding to her first post but did not bother after that. A complete waste of time arguing with such people.

Imran Khan made a blunder but finally, sanity prevailed in the corridors of power and they decided not to give citizenship to the Afghans---a bad news for you.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1434169
@Desert Fox

Good bye
:wave:
IK needs to stop being a sentimentalist.
 
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Hazrat Younas Peace be upon him.
Ahh yes! Sorry for the error!

Not Caliphs / Khalifah but sultans and kings.

I hope you don't mind correcting your typos.
None at all...I dont really proofread what I type :)

Since when did you fall down in the real world from the high horse of humanity you were riding?
You can be realistic and humane at the same time...I think it is news to you :agree:

Giving green ids will magically make them Pak loving law abiding citizens?
I hear British Pakistani always complaining abt this that about UK, American Pakistanis too about America...Who cares? It is not about loving a country as much as about law abiding! You are speculating that they wont abide the law if it respects them! Heck, even Pakistanis dont respect Pakistan enough to keep it clean so what rights do you have to demand anything of others?

National security literally means to keep the place safe...THAT can only be done if you can track/ trace people and know what happened where! Undocumented people cant be traced! THAT is more of national security threat!
 
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