Pakistan ready for a bilateral nuke non-testing arrangement with India: Sartaj Aziz

[That Guy]

you said it... India cannot match china in conventional war and need nukes as deterrent... same goes for pakistan wrt India... may be pakistanis can use their good office to influence china to do a deal..
but then china got to deal with USA..

And it's in the interest of the USA to keep these rivalries going, simply because it helps maintain a strong US military and geopolitical influence.

What BS is this! India doesn't ask for any such arrangement but Pakistan 'offers' it.

Last we heard Pakistan kept going to UN on Kashmir despite a bilateral agreement called Shimla. Will it change the hypocrisy of Pakistan? I dint think so.

You're argument is all over the place.

Hypocrisy! Tell me why don't you have a no-first-use policy like India has? Isn't that because of insecurity and a mortal fear of an Indian offensive deep into Pakistan?

A no-first-use policy is the issue and not a ban on nuclear testing which is purely hypothetical. Today, neither India nor Pakistan are in a position to test nukes in the present geopolitical environment. If you do you'll be screwed as you would become a pariah state with sanctions that would bleed you to death! So nuke testing is passé. It's never going to happen.

So what Sartaj Aziz is suggesting is absolute rubbish. He's a past master in spewing baloney at the drop of a hat! He's > 80 and needs to retire and take some much needed rest. As per medical research, a person loses more than half his brain cells after 80.

I don't think you understand what the word hypocrisy means.

You say that nuke testing won't happen, but that's not really true and we both know it. India is getting to the point that it can do whatever the hell it wants, and no one will say a damn thing.

Really, all you've done is insult a man and that's really about it.

Lest we forget, it was entirely directed at the then overwhelming threat from the Chinese, an overwhelming threat that continues to be overwhelming, that dictated our policy of acquiring nuclear capability.

There is a strong and persistent theme in Pakistan, a matter that has gone into every Pakistani's genes by now, that seeks parity with India (read 'those abominable kaffirs, the Hindus'). Every reason, every logical argument goes by the board when this kicks in. And this is what compelled Pakistan to build the bomb for herself, nothing to do with security. Pakistan's rulers, and the deep state in general, knew very well the story of what had occurred in preceding years. There can have been no doubt in their minds about the priority of action on each occasion of conflict. The Pakistani man in the street might have thought the Indian bomb to be a threat; the Pakistani decision-makers could not have done that.

Lest we forget. While you are at it, read The Recessional. That embodies the spirit of Pakistan more than anything else I can suggest to you, and it does so in noble, flowing lines, that ennoble aggrandisement, aggression and clinical contempt for 'the other'.

Nonsense.

While it is true, and I did mention this in my comment, that India's nukes are mainly aimed at China, it is intellectually dishonest to claim that they aren't a threat to Pakistan.

Much like comments by other members, it is filled with more emotion that ground reality.

Your world is limited to the subcontinent, that does not necessarily apply to india.

We have threat outside of subcontinent, and we dont wish to confine ourself to subcontinent,

My world? How about you get off your high horse and actually read my comment?

 

[risingsinga]

Yes Sir i agree but the problem from our end is.....

But with whom would India sign the treat? With the Nawaz Sharif government, the Pakistan Military, the ISI, or the Terrorist Combine? First let they decide who is running the country. Only then India just might give it a thought.

One more thing Sir i tell u....
Mark my word, whenever they say something good; we get some very horrible things. Then they will back off from what they say now (again unilaterally as if India going to sign it). ha ha

oh so I see mistrust is the basis of all the conflicts.

 

[Joe Shearer]

And it's in the interest of the USA to keep these rivalries going, simply because it helps maintain a strong US military and geopolitical influence.


You're argument is all over the place.


I don't think you understand what the word hypocrisy means.

You say that nuke testing won't happen, but that's not really true and we both know it. India is getting to the point that it can do whatever the hell it wants, and no one will say a damn thing.

Really, all you've done is insult a man and that's really about it.

Nonsense.

While it is true, and I did mention this in my comment, that India's nukes are mainly aimed at China, it is intellectually dishonest to claim that they aren't a threat to Pakistan.

Much like comments by other members, it is filled with more emotion that ground reality.

Ouch.

My world? How about you get off your high horse and actually read my comment?

 

[Royal Blue007]

Pakistan's conventional military and nuclear deterrence is India focused, and reactionary to what India does. Pakistan has been willing to negotiate such a thing for a long time, it ball has always been in India's court; Unfortunately, as long as India views China as a rival, and Pakistan as a threat, India will never negotiate; lest we forget, it was India that introduced nukes to the subcontinent.

Creation of Pakistan was India focused.
Since then everything it does or intend to do is solely India focussed. Aziz he just repeating same

Who has told you ?

Osama bin maulana laden

 

[That Guy]

Creation of Pakistan was India focused.
Since then everything it does or intend to do is solely India focussed. Aziz he just repeating same

No, it really wasn't.

 

[Royal Blue007]

No, it really wasn't.

Your burocrates and military says otherwise

 

[That Guy]

Your burocrates and military says otherwise

It doesn't matter what anyone says, historical facts are all that matter.

 

[Royal Blue007]

It doesn't matter what anyone says, historical facts are all that matter.

I don't find a single "historical fact" that says otherwise http://m.thehindu.com/news/internat...foreign-policy-sartaj-aziz/article8724595.ece

http://tribune.com.pk/story/842663/indias-obsession-with-pakistan-ended-long-ago/http://tribune.com.pk/story/842663/indias-obsession-with-pakistan-ended-long-ago/

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion...ary/pakistan-at-a-tipping-point/#.V7ADocnhXqA

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6590YJ20100610

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304911104576445862242908294
http://m.ndtv.com/india-news/how-india-obsession-drives-paks-nuclear-programme-1403404

http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/pakistan-obsessed-over-india-risks-anarchy

 

[That Guy]

I don't find a single "historical fact" that says otherwise http://m.thehindu.com/news/internat...foreign-policy-sartaj-aziz/article8724595.ece

http://tribune.com.pk/story/842663/indias-obsession-with-pakistan-ended-long-ago/http://tribune.com.pk/story/842663/indias-obsession-with-pakistan-ended-long-ago/

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion...ary/pakistan-at-a-tipping-point/#.V7ADocnhXqA

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6590YJ20100610

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304911104576445862242908294
http://m.ndtv.com/india-news/how-india-obsession-drives-paks-nuclear-programme-1403404

http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/pakistan-obsessed-over-india-risks-anarchy

A few nitpicked opinion articles don't prove anything, and they don't mention why Pakistan was created.

Pakistan was born out of a need to create a homeland for the subcontinent's Muslim population, that is literally about it.

 

[khanmubashir]

I fear that the nukes of Pak is not safe because there are fundamentalist elements within their army who can side with the radicals anytime. the aim of the worl should be to disarm both Pak and China of fissile material and nuclear weapons.

haha what ru smoking 2 think world will disarm china and us or u think ur self as trump

 

[Royal Blue007]

A few nitpicked opinion articles don't prove anything, and they don't mention why Pakistan was created.

Pakistan was born out of a need to create a homeland for the subcontinent's Muslim population, that is literally about it.

I admire your ignorance
Btw Pakistan was created because according to some very rich alcohol and cigarette addicted "pious Muslims" 'Muslims can't live with any Non-Muslims' ie a hate hypothesis
As simple as that