Pakistan ranked 12th among 'failed states'

[joey]

In response to Kidwaibhai!
The United Arab Emirates have a successful system, which can be globally expanded to the Islamic world, so that each nation state is an emirate.

ROTFLMAO, You are absolutely clueless buddy, keep it up.

 

[Adux]

The world will never be 100% muslim, or christain or any other religion.
Therefore secularism is the only way we can move forward, take religion out of state

 

[foxhound]

Joey....I think you are getting upset.......hey you have your thinking.....You don't talk to 'kids'.....so any one who is not on your wavelength is a kid.....and by the way...Ataturk was a wise man?.......well it looks like you have along time get some wisdom?...also for correction on the Caliphate.....history will show that the Jews/christians and pagans + others lived peacefully under the caliphate....there were no problems....until the Muslim elites started drifting away from the teaching of Islam. .....any how I will end here!

Cheers!!!

 

[joey]

The reason I used the word kid because I have my reasons,

The last post is Quoted is laughable just like the other ones...

You have no idea of realpolitik, Arab is a paper house follower of US, and if Israel attacks Iran the flight path will be through Arab only.


I want the moon green and blue but oh wait the moon is colorless!

 

[Adux]

]..also for correction on the Caliphate.....history will show that the Jews/christians and pagans + others lived peacefully under the caliphate....there were no problems....[/B]until the Muslim elites started drifting away from the teaching of Islam. .....any how I will end here!

Cheers!!!

Yes, as long as those non-muslims follow islamic rules and laws and treated as second class citizen...propganda is full of your head thinking people are happy that way... No way that is going to happen again....lol..
World is not the same now, people of this type will be crushed as they are being done now... World of Nukes has ensured that big time.

 

[Always Neutral]

Salaam!

In response to Bull!

The biggest country thats undermining US is China, i dont see they saying the same thing about China.
TRADE: Total Global Export US $272 billion
Total Global Imports US $283 billion

DEBT: US $706 billion

ABILITY TO LIVE UNDER THE LAWS OF ALLAH (ISLAM).

These statistics show the potential of Islam....the potential UNIFICATION OF THE ISLAMIC WORLD IN ALL SPHERES OF LIFE.......which I believe.....will come.........despite the negativity of the non-muslim world and no matter how much they detest it......WATCH AND SEE.....I kid you not!!!

Dear Foxhound,

If wishes were horses beggars would fly ! That aside I wish you best of luck to have one muslim world. I must say for all the negativity about USA you still quote all the figures in USD the currency of the devil.

On a lighter side what will the comman muslim currency be called ?

Regards

 

[Always Neutral]

Dude. The important thing here is you're talking about Pakistan and the media. Yes they're critical, but incase of Pakistan, its not just criticism, its blatant bias and lies that affects the media and in effect, results in those biased articles with propaganda and little or no truth. There are positive things happening in Pakistan as well. You never see those reported in any of the western media. Or at least nowhere as frequently as the bad things. And those 'good things' do happen in Pakistan, just so you know. It is important to remember that when you have a crap load of biased, anti-Pakistani articles and basically no articles that are reporting the good things, this list should be expected.

And as for staff, its not a childish comment, its a very valid point. When you have indians acting as 'south asian specialists', these kinds of indices are not unexpected.

Dear Ahsan,

How do you know the two people mentioned are Indians? The article says one was born in USA and the other in Australia. Secondly the article is about all the countries in the world not Pakistan centric so where is the need for bias ? Thirdly why can't these people be of Paksitani origin after all Pakistan has a spinner in their cricket team and an acting Chief Justice with Indian sounding names but born in Pakistan. Are you implying they are traitors too ?

Regards

 

[Always Neutral]

Joey....ummah and the ideology of communism are same


Cmon...Joey....Ummah (Islam) is totally different....it has no equal.....Communism or should I say atheism is the dead beat.......it shows your total lack of understanding of Islam.....as I said before....stop feeding up from the Western/Allies tripe......get out of the box.......

Dear Foxhound,

No offense but if Communism is dead beat as you say above can you please then give me a rational explanation why so many Islamic countries are sucking upto China ?

Regards

 

[SMC]

Dear Ahsan,

How do you know the two people mentioned are Indians? The article says one was born in USA and the other in Australia. Secondly the article is about all the countries in the world not Pakistan centric so where is the need for bias ? Thirdly why can't these people be of Paksitani origin after all Pakistan has a spinner in their cricket team and an acting Chief Justice with Indian sounding names but born in Pakistan. Are you implying they are traitors too ?

Regards

I do not know for sure. But with their names, the probability of them being indian origin is pretty high. Almost 100% probability infact.

 

[kidwaibhai]

dude the acting chief justice of pakistan in a Hindu so yes he does have a indian sounding name.

 

[Always Neutral]

I do not know for sure. But with their names, the probability of them being indian origin is pretty high. Almost 100% probability infact.

Dear Ahsan,

If you are not sure than please do not condemn anybody without proof irrespective what their names sound like. Please see the below

1. Dinesh Kaneria - Cricketer - Pakistan Team - Born in Pakistan.
2. Ram Bhagwandas - Acting Chief Justice - Pakistan Supreme Court - Born Pakistan. (Ram is a Hindu God)
3. Sir Salman Rushdie - Author - Satanic Verses - Born India.
4. Fareed Zakaria - Editor - Newsweek - Born India. Wrote this article The Real Problem with Pakistan in the latest Newsweek (column ://www.fareedzakaria.com/articles/articles.html)

So friend if we go with your logic we can safely come to the following conclusion.

Mr Kaneria and Bhagwandas have (Hindu) Indian sounding names and are traitors and anti-pakistan and should never be believed.
Sir Salman and Mr Zakaria who have (muslim) Pakistani sounding names are good people and what they write about Islam and Pakistan must always be believed.

Sorry Ahsan I can't accept that logic.

Regards

 

[Bull]

Salaam!

In response to Bull!

The biggest country thats undermining US is China, i dont see they saying the same thing about China..

U analysed it military wise. Now can you include bi lateral trade into that?

 

[Adux]

What people dont understand is that China without America is a nobody, If the American economy goes down, WHAT HAPPENS TO CHINESE RESERVES AND INVESTMENTS.
There are other cheap labour markets, but there no other consumer market like the USA.
As much as anyone over here want America to go down; They are here to stay as the hyper power in the forseeable future, as an analyst, i see a recession in america which can at best called man-made to counter the stupid economics of Bush as well as a lower dollar value, but not as grave as countries will change their chhoice of dollar currency for reserves or international trade.
As a long term bet dollar is the currency to bank on, not the euro

 

[Always Neutral]

Salaam!

In response to Bull!

The biggest country thats undermining US is China, i dont see they saying the same thing about China.
The real threat....which the US and it's allies perceive is a resugent....UNITED MUSLIM STATES....as it should be....one UMMAH. Hence if you can look at the menace and pain they have caused to the middle east and to that extent muslim countries:.....my reasons are as follows:

potential of Islam....the potential UNIFICATION OF THE ISLAMIC WORLD IN ALL SPHERES OF LIFE[/B].......which I believe.....will come.........despite the negativity of the non-muslim world and no matter how much they detest it......WATCH AND SEE.....I kid you not!!!


Therefore, the main threat to the US and it's allies are the muslims.....therefore they do what they are good at.....DIVIDE and CONQUER......one by one they are distroying any would be potential strong muslim state. They are the moment trying to undermine the Muslims form various routes...via the media....politically isolation...academic propaganda etc.

Dear Foxhound,

Hi. Here below is another person who shares your views ie uniting all muslims. Please read excerpts below of the views of Khateeb of Lal Masjid, Maulana Abdul Aziz yesterday.

Europe has made it its habit to commit acts of blasphemy. Describing the importance of Jihad, the cleric regretted that “Western democracy” has eliminated the concept of Jihad by replacing it with protest demonstrations.

He said that the major cause of humiliation of Muslims was non-observance of Jihad, recalling the times when Muslims ruled the world through Jihad and nobody had the courage to commit blasphemy and cast an evil eye on Muslim women.

Muslims considered the Europeans as their friends whereas the Holy Qur’aan forbids Muslims to engage in close friendship with non-Muslims.

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=8625

I know this is not the view of the majority of Pakistanis but I wish to highlight the dangers of having a unipolar world when it comes to money, power and religion.

Diversity should be way of life and everyone should battle with a pen if required but never by the sword.

Have a nice weekend.

Regards

 

[foxhound]

In response to Always Neutral - Hi. Here below is another person who shares your views ie uniting all muslims. Please read excerpts below of the views of Khateeb of Lal Masjid, Maulana Abdul Aziz yesterday........

lol...my comments has made you assume i'm an extremist.....and a supporter of extremism.....AS I SAID BEFORE ISLAM IS THE MIDDLE WAY.....Lal Masjid and it's likes are using wrong methods and are not using wisdom in resolving the issues concerned.

I stated the reasons that the USA and other non muslim states have attempted to malign Islam and the muslim states...psychological warfare.....I gave another scenario....from a Muslim perspective....and I was accused by certain REALPOLITIK EXPERTS (not mentioning names....Joey) that I have no understanding in this field.

The truth is that the 60+ muslim countries have the potential to safeguard their interests and rapidly progess in all spheres of activities.....If they are united...they will be strong....the statement:

UNITED WE STAND.......DIVIDED WE FALL

Islam is a way of life for a muslim and effects him in all spheres (political/spiritual/economical/social etc). The Islamic State is not a dream, nor is it a figment of the imagination, for it had dominated and influenced history for more than thirteen hundred years. it was indeed a reality which provided the most successful system for society - political, economic, social, judicial and so on.

It was a state that included Muslims and non-Muslims both living in harmony until its destruction in 1924 at the hands of the West and its treacherous agents within the state.

For instance, with an Islamic state....there would be no dstruction of it's states...such as the invasion of Iraq, somalia, Palestine, lebanon, pakistan/kashmir/chechnya etc....furthermore, no other power would be able to subdue her easily and would negotiate on mutual understandings.....

The muslim world has been poisened by alot of the negative thoughts, for instance the concepts which the Muslims carry, such as nationalism, separating the religion from the state and the anti-Islamic notions are the very poison that this Western culture has injected in their veins.

What do they actually seek? A state based on other than Islam? or several states on Muslim land? The West, since becoming the effective ruling authority, has already given them several states; completing therefore its scheme of keeping Islam out of government, dividing the Muslim land and giving the Muslims a trivial facade of Islamic rule. From time to time, the West creates a new state for the Muslims, and it is more than willing to give them even more as long as they hold on to Western principles and concepts.

The point at hand is not establishing several states, but one single state over the entire Muslim world. And not establishing just any state, nor a state that calls itself Islamic while ruling by other than what Allah (swt) has decreed, nor a state calling itself Islamic and implementing Islamic Laws without carrying Islam via an intellectually based leadership.

The crucial point at hand is not the establishment of such pseudo-Islamic states, but of a single state which would resume Islam within society after this was deeply rooted in the peoples hearts and minds, and which should carry the Message of Islam to the whole world.

As I mentioned earlier, the Islamic state is not a dream, nor is it a figment of the imagination, for it had dominated and influenced history for more than thirteen hundred years. It is a reality, it has always been and always will be. The vital elements of its existence are far greater than can be ignored or fought against by any thing or anyone.

The Islamic State is not a desire that one aims to satisfy, but an obligation that Allah (swt) has decreed for the Muslims and commanded them to fullfill. I acknowledge that the Islamic State is by no means an easy endevor. The pursuit of it should not fuel false hopes to opportunists (with purpose of acquiring a position in it). The road is embedded with thorns, full of perils, obstacles and hardships, not to mention the non-islamic culture, shallow thinking and pro-western regimes which form a formidable obstacle.


The arguments could go on....but I do not really have the time. I gave an alternative perspective which had been established for over 1300 hundred years.........this however, would not be in the interest of all non-muslims and for the hypocrites in the muslim lands.

All I can say.....and I know many, sincere and upright people who are trying to establish the law of Allah (the one and only God) on this temporary Earth to the children of Aadam (as).

In this defence forum.....there are many people on.....my message to the Muslims is stand fast.....work hard in your areas (i.e whether its academic/business/social/military etc) and do the best possible service for the welfare of mankind....strive with utmost strength. do not be demoralised by the non-muslim comments or any other (those suffering from poison of the mind).

Furthermore, do not be swayed by the so called intellectuals or those who are good with communication, good with their tongues (Realpolitik experts and their ilk)....because at the end of the day.....if they cannot rationnally find the truth in Islam...they cannot comprehend the beauty of this gift to mankind by God Allmighty (Islam).....then they are 'heedless'.......they are then the lowest of the low......they are a hinderance to themselves and to others.

They argue eloquently occassionally.....and they utter their hatred for the muslims.....and if you can see what they harbour in their hearts...it's worse...........they want us to become like them....Losers in this life and the next world.

However, no matter how much they detest the Truth (ISLAM) it will prevail.


....hmmm.....i'm sure this will further conclude that I am extremist or so.....by the way I am no arm chair general or the like.......I've had some spare time (don't normally get it always).....by the way my job in life is as a senior military Int analyst in the armed forces of a reputable western county....I have to do regular research on a given area and the regular briefs to senior commanders........If you only knew what these people 'harbour' in their hearts.......

By the way your name...Always Neutral.....suggests from reading your comments...that you do not practice what you have called your self..........i'm tempted to think...that maybe....you should change it to Two-Face?........

Regards my dear sir......