Pakistan pivots to center as US and China vie for regional supremacy

[Vapour]

You can go beyond Pressler see 1965, CENTO etc.
Pakistan first, although I am still for ties with the US. But this towing the line and India is really your friend BS is not on.
The region is already forming into a Sino/Russian grouping on one side and QUAD on the other.

More than anything, it's always disappointing to read most posts without the nuance of how a state ought to conduct and implement its policy internally and externally. For example, we have members who use abusive language against Saudi Arabia for its growing ties with India, without factoring into the equation, that inspite of this, it is still more favourable for Pakistan's interests to have good relations with KSA than to strain them further simply because of the evolving global situation.

 

[striver44]

Be like India, play both sides.

Yup, I could argue that Quad is actually more like a 3+1 groupings in which India is always differing in it's foreign policy with the other 3.

If it wasn't for Galwan, there will be no Indian commitment at all for Quad. But thanks to Xi and his wolves now India had no choice but to use the Quad card against CN.

In fact Quad almost ran out of steam ,India rejected Aussie presence in the Malabar exercise not so long time ago to appease China.

 

[Progressive1]

Bro serious? We're not in any circle of theirs. Unless you're not willing to shed tonnes of your identity, be ok with your women being exotic bed notches for the Euro male, and have a general subservient trend towards them you won't even get a look in.
They've never embraced us, history shows it time and time again.
The stuff about faith is irrelevant as most describe themselves as agnostic, religious and atheist.

Certain things are implied sometime , among conservative whites , there is subtle admiration for Islamic values , from what I have seen in my time in west.

I remember the book on breaking the bamboo ceiling by an east asian dude after there was emergence of high profile indian ceos and he clearly said that indo european nature of high cast indians and allignments of their work ethics with wasps , is the reason of big rise of indians over asians in high profile cooperate positions.

Saying that we shouldnt be putting all eggs in the same basket , we should be bridge of both civilizations. Also you dont need to learn everything from the past , new paradigms can be created , there is first for everything , I dont really listen to speeches but I really like speech by vice admiral Pak Navy at AMAN 2021

 

[arjunk]

OK , so how many times has China fu(ked us over compared to other states? You seem to be an Indian ar$e licker.

So you want to become a Chinese satellite state? Because Pakistan is almost completely dependent on China, who will no doubt use this against us. You're naive to believe they will do otherwise.

 

[CIA Mole]

pakistan should not have to rely in anyone
200 million people

unless Pakistanis are all useless

the economy is growing too slowly, not even meeting the basic needs

 

[khansaheeb]

So you want to become a Chinese satellite state? Because Pakistan is almost completely dependent on China, who will no doubt use this against us. You're naive to believe they will do otherwise.

So trading and agreeing security makes you into a satellite state? In this case every country is a satellite sate to another. Nothing naïve just basic intelligence. Pakistan with the help of rogue sold out politicians was becoming a failed state and China stepped in like a big brother and helped us out.

 

[Enigma SIG]

So you want to become a Chinese satellite state? Because Pakistan is almost completely dependent on China, who will no doubt use this against us. You're naive to believe they will do otherwise.

As opposed to the American satellite state that Pakistan once was without the fringe benefits?

 

[ARMalik]

China will be very disappointed because China is dealing with the corrupt Establishment of Pakistan which is very unpredictable and does not have the guts to make tough decisions. This is what Corruption does to you - it makes you a coward.

 

[Enigma SIG]

the economy is growing too slowly, not even meeting the basic needs

Trying to run the car on a dead battery.

Either play jamwhoriat in the useless elitist halls or be autocratic and rise like China.

 

[Xone]

China will be very disappointed because China is dealing with the corrupt Establishment of Pakistan which is very unpredictable and does not have the guts to make tough decisions. This is what Corruption does to you - it makes you a coward.

China has been disappointed already by our hybrid Government. The desire to be center has taken china away from us while US already choosing India, has no hurry to rush to us. Corruption has gone into insignificance, it is total incompetence that is on reigning. Where will we stand at the end of these five years in power, is unfathomable right now?
Our desire of becoming sinecure is turning into censure of the both.
na Khuda hi mila na visal-e-sanam

 

[ARMalik]

China has been disappointed already by our hybrid Government. The desire to be center has taken china away from us while US already choosing India, has no hurry to rush to us. Corruption has gone into insignificance, it is total incompetence that is on reigning. Where will we stand at the end of these five years in power, is unfathomable right now?
Our desire of becoming sinecure is turning into censure of the both.
na Khuda hi mila na visal-e-sanam

It reminds of a story where a culprit had to choose between either to have 100 lashes or to eat 100-onions. Due to his wrong decision, he ended up eating 100-onions and also 100-lashes on his arse. Same seems to be case with Pakistan these days.

 

[tman786]

Cowardice explains why the corrupts run away to their flats in Mayfair London

China will be very disappointed because China is dealing with the corrupt Establishment of Pakistan which is very unpredictable and does not have the guts to make tough decisions. This is what Corruption does to you - it makes you a coward.

 

[Deltadart]

Let's hope this centrist position doesn't pivot towards those who are known for making threatening calls, and getting immediate capitulation from that particular patriotic commando and other traitors at the top in the past..

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

US has never treated Pakistan with respect. First the F-16 ban. Now the AH-1 ban.

 

[VCheng]

US has never treated Pakistan with respect. First the F-16 ban. Now the AH-1 ban.

There is no such ban. The only question is who pays for them, that is all.