Pakistan offers Turkey and Azerbaijan a joint industrial complex

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Good gesture.. But they have to set-up framework agree to it and sign up, once that happens I'll be happy

 

[cabatli_53]

Turkey actually requires brother states to join into development efforts for big strategic projects costing too much for Turkey so It is a must to establish such mechanism to jointly work on mutual benefits.

TF-X
Hurjet Medium Aircraft
TF-2000 AAW Destroyer
Milden submarine
Akinci HALE UAV
Burak SLV
Hisar-U Long Altitude SAM
Atak-2 attack helicopter
10t Utility helicopter

Risky and costly projects can be summarized like above and Funding all in one is quite difficult for a single country to achieve each goals in dedicated time scale. Partnership will certainly reduce the negative factors and Once those projects got materialized, The strategic deterrence of the states who get them into inventory, will be drastically risen to keep hostile units out of your way.

 

[Counterpunch]

Talking without thinking, he got nothing to loose.
I'm sure Khawaja Asif have no idea of what he's talking about.

Just like you did here. Talking without thinking. Nothing to lose.

I believe not! This coming from Foreign Ministers level is something definitely a result of some background working and thinking. Glad to see such an initiative coming from Pakistan

 

[Arsalan]

Now get this rolling and it will be huge!
This is kind of progress and "development" that we actually will benefit from!!

 

[Shabi1]

Azerbaijan - Small Arms/Rifles/armor tech
Turkey - Electronics/Avionics/Metalurgy/Ships/Helicopters
Pakistan - Tanks/Aircraft/Ship/UAVs Assembly and industrial complex for mass production capability after TOT

Promising combination.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

Now get this rolling and it will be huge!
This is kind of progress and "development" that we actually will benefit from!!

What can Pakistan offer in such areas listed by @cabatli_53 for risk sharing?

As what i've understood so far is that Pakistan refrains from spending, but focused more on earning. There is no such a ''world'' in any JVs.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

What can Pakistan offer in such areas listed by @cabatli_53 for risk sharing?

As what i've understood so far is that Pakistan refrains from spending, but focused more on earning. There is no such a ''world'' in any JVs.

Hi,
No offense... but most of your projects are based on JVs.

T-129 = A129 Agusta
Altay = K2
Firtina SPG = K9 SPG

.....

Pak can help you in fields like
Armour
Ballistic and Quasi Ballistic Missiles
Cruise Missiles (all spectrum- Air,Sea/ship,Sub,Land launched)
SLV project (We have had one since early 2000s... but its on slow pace due to financial constraints)
Remote Sensing Sats
UAVs
FLIR,IRST pods,Avionics and sensors etc
Help with your Aircraft projects (we have already started working on new Jet,30 seater plane and UCAVs under AZM Project- Aviation City)
MLRS collaboration (a new AMLRS is under development by Pak)
Simulators for Land,Sea and Air systems
Air to Ground Precision Munitions or Stand Off missiles and Bombs
Cluster Munitions
Mining and De mining vehicles
EOD disposal systems
MANPADs and collaboration on SAMs (beneficial for both countries)
and more..

Such ventures would help our countries not only with domestic reliance but international market.

What can Pakistan offer in such areas listed by @cabatli_53 for risk sharing?

As what i've understood so far is that Pakistan refrains from spending, but focused more on earning. There is no such a ''world'' in any JVs.

Do you know brother... till mid 2000s our defence exports were hardly 50 million or so.

Today, we are aiming for 1 billion USDs by 2018...

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

Hi,
No offense... but most of your projects are based on JVs.

T-129 = A129 Agusta
Altay = K2
Firtina SPG = K9 SPG

.....

Pak can help you in fields like
Armour
Ballistic and Quasi Ballistic Missiles
Cruise Missiles (all spectrum- Air,Sea/ship,Sub,Land launched)
SLV project (We have had one since early 2000s... but its on slow pace due to financial constraints)
Remote Sensing Sats
UAVs
FLIR,IRST pods,Avionics and sensors etc
Help with your Aircraft projects (we have already started working on new Jet,30 seater plane and UCAVs under AZM Project- Aviation City)
MLRS collaboration (a new AMLRS is under development by Pak)
Simulators for Land,Sea and Air systems
Air to Ground Precision Munitions or Stand Off missiles and Bombs
Cluster Munitions
Mining and De mining vehicles
EOD disposal systems
MANPADs and collaboration on SAMs (beneficial for both countries)
and more..

Such ventures would help our countries not only with domestic reliance but international market.


Do you know brother... till mid 2000s our defence exports were hardly 50 million or so.

Today, we are aiming for 1 billion USDs by 2018...

Despite going out of the frame at the post #17; You have made my point.

When Turkey started the JVs that are out of the list at the post #17; Turkey had ''things'' to bring up on the table and also risk sharing, therefore, The titles on JVs were officially changed accordingly, and now The list at the post #17 is higly at the first stage, later fully based on our own systems, and therefore the titles have yet again changed accordingly.

I would like to go back to the question as a result:

What can Pakistan offer to change those titles at the post #17?

No offence.

 

[Arsalan]

What can Pakistan offer in such areas listed by @cabatli_53 for risk sharing?

As what i've understood so far is that Pakistan refrains from spending, but focused more on earning. There is no such a ''world'' in any JVs.

Pakistan offers lower production costs, financial resources, decades of expertise in production, planning and development. The best thing about this JV will be the fact that all three participants have something to offer to each other.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Despite going out of the frame at the post #17; You have made my point.

When Turkey started the JVs that are out of the list at the post #17; Turkey had things to bring up on the table, therefore, The titles on JVs were changed accordingly, and now The list at the post #17 is higly at the first stage, later fully based on our own systems, and the title has yet agains changed accordingly.

I would like to go back to the question as a result:

What can Pakistan offer to change those titles at the post #17?

No offence.

TF-X (Share costs and Development of platform,Avionics,weapons package, further development in terms of missiles, also provide cheaper manufacturing)
Hurjet Medium Aircraft (same as above)
TF-2000 AAW Destroyer (Provide Weapon systems,avionic suites,share costs and manufacturing)
Milden submarine (We have a nuclear sub program)
Akinci HALE UAV (Share costs,manufacturing, develop variants,design new variants,arm them with A2G munitions,electronic payload)
Burak SLV (Share technology,Costs etc)

Paks SLV project:

Hisar-U Long Altitude SAM (We can help you alot in this field collaboration,development,costs,testing etc)
Atak-2 attack helicopter (beneficial for us and you, if Pak can bear development costs)
10t Utility helicopter (mutually beneficial)

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

We definately have one of the most largest, experienced and qualified militaries in the world to offer as customers and partners. That are willing to not only jointly develop systems but increase mutual business oppurtunities by marketing and selling them together.

We have requisite talent pool, affordable labor, and genuine brotherhood which will be hard to find for you in other western cold blooded nations. The only thing limiting us is slight econimic limitations which are not toooo hard to overcome.


3 are better than 1.
Im sure Turkiye didnt have much to offer to the advanced wiht whom it initially set out to form JV but look where it is now.

Turkiye, Central Asia, Pakistan, Balkans, Muslim parts of Russia have so much to share with each other.

Together we stand strong and tall
Dibided we fall.

Despite going out of the frame at the post #17; You have made my point.

When Turkey started the JVs that are out of the list at the post #17; Turkey had ''things'' to bring up on the table and also risk sharing, therefore, The titles on JVs were officially changed accordingly, and now The list at the post #17 is higly at the first stage, later fully based on our own systems, and therefore the titles have yet again changed accordingly.

I would like to go back to the question as a result:

What can Pakistan offer to change those titles at the post #17?

No offence.

 

[cabatli_53]

Hi,
No offense... but most of your projects are based on JVs.

T-129 = A129 Agusta
Altay = K2
Firtina SPG = K9 SPG

.....

Pak can help you in fields like
Armour
Ballistic and Quasi Ballistic Missiles
Cruise Missiles (all spectrum- Air,Sea/ship,Sub,Land launched)
SLV project (We have had one since early 2000s... but its on slow pace due to financial constraints)
Remote Sensing Sats
UAVs
FLIR,IRST pods,Avionics and sensors etc
Help with your Aircraft projects (we have already started working on new Jet,30 seater plane and UCAVs under AZM Project- Aviation City)
MLRS collaboration (a new AMLRS is under development by Pak)
Simulators for Land,Sea and Air systems
Air to Ground Precision Munitions or Stand Off missiles and Bombs
Cluster Munitions
Mining and De mining vehicles
EOD disposal systems
MANPADs and collaboration on SAMs (beneficial for both countries)
and more..

Such ventures would help our countries not only with domestic reliance but international market.


Do you know brother... till mid 2000s our defence exports were hardly 50 million or so.

Today, we are aiming for 1 billion USDs by 2018...

Such cooperations are vital If you have tech defficiency which is going to effect the destiny of your complete product envisaged to develop at the beggining. It is about reducing the risk factor with benefiting the experiences of foreign institutes to develop a state of art competitive product. The gaps filled cleverly with such methods on strategic projects and It is valueable time gained to nationalize the foreign sections to reveal new generation of originals without risking the strength policy of own Armed Forces against enemies as well. Today, what we did in 2000’s are being done with pure national capabilities for new generation variants of similar products with better capabilities.

-Firtina / Firtina-2 howitzer with even national engine and transmissions in mid term
-Atak helicopter / Atak-2 Helicopter with national transmission and engines
-Altay with national engine, armour, transmission and Akkor hard-kill system

 

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Hi,
No offense... but most of your projects are based on JVs.

T-129 = A129 Agusta
Altay = K2
Firtina SPG = K9 SPG

.....

Pak can help you in fields like
Armour
Ballistic and Quasi Ballistic Missiles
Cruise Missiles (all spectrum- Air,Sea/ship,Sub,Land launched)
SLV project (We have had one since early 2000s... but its on slow pace due to financial constraints)
Remote Sensing Sats
UAVs
FLIR,IRST pods,Avionics and sensors etc
Help with your Aircraft projects (we have already started working on new Jet,30 seater plane and UCAVs under AZM Project- Aviation City)
MLRS collaboration (a new AMLRS is under development by Pak)
Simulators for Land,Sea and Air systems
Air to Ground Precision Munitions or Stand Off missiles and Bombs
Cluster Munitions
Mining and De mining vehicles
EOD disposal systems
MANPADs and collaboration on SAMs (beneficial for both countries)
and more..

Such ventures would help our countries not only with domestic reliance but international market.


Do you know brother... till mid 2000s our defence exports were hardly 50 million or so.

Today, we are aiming for 1 billion USDs by 2018...

I was wondering why you posted such a thing, then I checked my ignore list and saw the individual and quote you were replying to...

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

Pakistan offers lower production costs, financial resources, decades of expertise in production, planning and development. The best thing about this JV will be the fact that all three participants have something to offer to each other.

TF-X (Share costs and Development of platform,Avionics,weapons package, further development in terms of missiles, also provide cheaper manufacturing)
Hurjet Medium Aircraft (same as above)
TF-2000 AAW Destroyer (Provide Weapon systems,avionic suites,share costs and manufacturing)
Milden submarine (We have a nuclear sub program)
Akinci HALE UAV (Share costs,manufacturing, develop variants,design new variants,arm them with A2G munitions,electronic payload)
Burak SLV (Share technology,Costs etc)

Paks SLV project:
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Hisar-U Long Altitude SAM (We can help you alot in this field collaboration,development,costs,testing etc)
Atak-2 attack helicopter (beneficial for us and you, if Pak can bear development costs)
10t Utility helicopter (mutually beneficial)

As far as your post is considered...

The Turk defence industry is in evolvement, thanks to gained experiences from JVs, but also indigenous initiatives conducted early or parallelly with past/current JVs and future projects.

The evolvement still lacks in some fields technically and to some extent financially, and hits the harvest globally; therefore at this stage She tries to fill the gap for now and tomorrow with high money dependent on the scale of the project.

In the list of yours, Pakistan has actually had two projects to contribute technically, Submarine and SLV despite unkown progress/experience made so far. The rest has to be/has already been beared by Turkey in the schedule.

Turkey has still had a scale economy, so manufacturing is low and qualified, but not necassary for a full local production lines.

It needs clarification if Pakistan can sustainably share the cost for the list you made, and can accept the ''return'' in accordance with her contribution in the projects, as i see some Pakistanis here easily talks about ToTs.

Few sweet talkers here, no harm for a little bit reality tho, as a Turkish proverb sums up : ''The friend speaks bitterly.''

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

As far as your post is considered...

The Turk defence industry is in evolvement, thanks to gained experiences from JVs, but also indigenous initiatives conducted early or parallelly with past/current JVs and future projects.

The evolvement still lacks in some fields technically and to some extent financially, and hits the harvest globally; therefore at this stage She tries to fill the gap for now and tomorrow with high money dependent on the scale of the project.

In the list of yours, Pakistan has actually had two projects to contribute technically, Submarine and SLV despite unkown progress/experience made so far. The rest has to be/has already been beared by Turkey in the schedule.

Turkey has still had a scale economy, so manufacturing is low and qualified, but not necassary for a full local production lines.

It needs clarification if Pakistan can sustainably share the cost for the list you made, and can accept the ''return'' in accordance with her contribution in the projects, as i see some Pakistanis here easily talks about ToTs.

Few sweet talkers here, no harm for a little bit reality tho, as a Turkish proverb sums up : ''The friend speaks bitterly.''

Okay dude.. Im sure you can do everything.. so carried ahead... we have no problem...