Pakistan needs to come out of destructive India mindset: US

[EastWest]

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strategic-geopolitical-issues/44215-monkey-trap.html

10 years old, but still as accurate as it can get..

Good One!!! reading this ..it actually makes sense in being passive...

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

Friend, the other day Meengla came out with a thread about Kashmir and how LOC should be made into IB. The way his fellow pakistani ridiculed him...I felt sad. At least he wanted peace.

In that case now China has to be taken in account to as some part of Kashmir lies in China too. PA will not accept any thing without China's green signal.

 

[nForce]

Talk between the real powers on both side can come to this solution but talks should be done on regular bases.

Agreed.....talks should be there and bilateral trade relations is the key.There is no benefit in fighting indecisively.But there is definitely something to gain out of trade.What do we gain? Peace,prosperity and development.I will still not agree with the free passage thing,as the trust factor is still not there and it will take some time to build it.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

insurgency is over in Kashmir and things are better now , even India has cut down its troops in Kashmir because of it.

While I do hope you are right, but the current situation in Pakistan does give reasons for worry.

Starting with Imran Khan's blockade of the iSAF route, galvanised by the groundswell of anger at the manner in which the US was treating Pakistan as if it were a colony of the US, the humiliation that the US has caused by their raid in Abbotabad showcasing again that the US does not care about Pakistan's sovereignty and territorial integrity as also the incompetence of the Pakistan Govt and Pakistan military, has got the Pakistanis rightly very angry.

Pakistanis are now questioning even their Army and are openly criticising it. This was unheard of! And so one can appreciate the common Pakistani's anger. They are also asking for the resignation of the President, the Army chief, Air Chief and the ISI Chief! Again unheard of.

In this scenario, they all have to ACT in a very positive and machismo manner so as to reassure the Pakistani people and these chaps are hardly the types who will in a gentlemanly manner, resign.

Given the international mood against Pakistan over Osama and the belief that Pakistan authorities including the Army and the ISI conniving with the AQ in 'hiding' Osama, these people, the Army Chief or the ISI Chief or even Zardari will not either attack India nor have another Mumbai type of show since that will prove disastrous for Pakistan.

And so, they will do the next best thing - cause mayhem in Kashmir, but releasing the terrorists, who are now going to be unemployed since the heat is on after the US raid.

And they will claim, as they have always done, that it is but a homegrown insurgency and Pakistan has nothing to do with it.

This time they will take care to cover the trail very very carefully.

This will take the heat of those who heads the Pakistanis are demanding for the Osama raid.

And they will live happily ever after!

 

[Ahmad Abdullah Ravian]

I think its hilarious. It's like a man robbing a blind guy repeatedly, and after so many times he finally gets caught and when confronted starts to threaten his neighbor across the street

so you still think that these threats are "Empty Threats" orn are without any reason
first indian military bragged about trying Surgical operations In Pakistan
then Pak Army threaten them of their ultimate Fate
and USA also advised India not even to think about it (as the whole world know Indian Bad Performance against Pakistan

 

[AvidSpice]

In that case now China has to be taken in account to as some part of Kashmir lies in China too. PA will not accept any thing without China's green signal.

China already has Aksai Chin in their kitty! And why does China have to come in the equation? They aren't demanding Kashmir..Oh yea..Son has to listen to his dad!

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

In that case now China has to be taken in account to as some part of Kashmir lies in China too. PA will not accept any thing without China's green signal.

This is the main problem with Pakistan.

The subjugate their sovereignty to foreign powers!

Who are the US or China to decide what Pakistan will or must do!

Pakistan is a sovereign and independent country!

And what has the PA got to do with Governance or foreign policy?

They should confine themselves to what any other Army does - defend the sovereignty and territorial integrity.

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

China already has Aksai Chin in their kitty! And why does China have to come in the equation? They aren't demanding Kashmir..Oh yea..Son has to listen to his dad!

Kashmir is their back Yard too and yes Pakistan is to China like Israel is to US.

 

[AvidSpice]

Kashmir is their back Yard too and yes Pakistan is to China like Israel is to US.

As you wish mate. Let's just see how long this so called 'Kashmir' issue rages on. My arguments will be worthless and that too in a defence forum.

 

[fida jan]

US is actually right, we need to to protect our western border now more tan ever than the eastern border till us leaves afghanistan

 

[Capt.Popeye]

In that case now China has to be taken in account to as some part of Kashmir lies in China too. PA will not accept any thing without China's green signal.

Why should Paksitan have to take permission from China? Paksitan must get get out of this mind-set of taking permission from some "Big Brother".
Pakistan did that with USA for nearly 60 years, now see the result. Frequent breaches of sovereignty and territorial integrity, constant humiliation and reduced to the status of a 'lackey'.

 

[Bhairava]

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strategic-geopolitical-issues/44215-monkey-trap.html

10 years old, but still as accurate as it can get..

Monkey trap it is ;

Especially the concluding lines - seems true to the last word in today's context,

"Either way, India stands to gain. As it would lock the US into doing precisely what India wants, to clean up the Pakistani mess at their own cost. All in all, India benefits whether America succeeds or fails".

 

[harpoon]

There can be no peace b/n India & Pakistan due to the following:

1. Kashmir Issue
2. Water issue
3. The need for Pakistan to upstage India on every field no matter what the cost. I read somewhere that this is in the psyche of every smaller power sharing border with a larger power.

The last one is the most powerful of all. Pakistanis are frequently fed the propaganda as how the 'Kuffar' India is out to destroy the 'Citadel Of Islam' Pakistan. If anything that unites Pakistan more is the anti- India sentiment as the Two Nation Theory failed miserably in 1971.Its frequently used by the Pakistan army to justify their expenses and their hold on power. PA need a 'Hegemonic' India.

 

[fida jan]

There can be no peace b/n India & Pakistan due to the following:

1. Kashmir Issue
2. Water issue
3. The need for Pakistan to upstage India on every field no matter what the cost. I read somewhere that this is in the psyche of every smaller power sharing border with a larger power.

The last one is the most powerful of all. Pakistanis are frequently fed the propaganda as how the 'Kuffar' India is out to destroy the 'Citadel Of Islam' Pakistan. If anything that unites Pakistan more is the anti- India sentiment as the Two Nation Theory failed miserably in 1971.Its frequently used by the Pakistan army to justify their expenses and their hold on power. PA need a 'Hegemonic' India.

if you think two nation theory failed miserably in 1971 what you think about hyderabad, junagadh, ferozpur, occupied kashmir etc which well belonged to pakistan as per the motto of separation were lost from pakistan in the very beginning??

pakistan's relation with muslim countries is enough to prove that two nation theory holds true

even after separation bengladeshis feel more towards pakistani than indian, infact both a a very common similarity of being disgusted about their indian neighbour hood at the same time

 

[rkjindal91]

if you think two nation theory failed miserably in 1971 what you think about hyderabad, junagadh, ferozpur, occupied kashmir etc which well belonged to pakistan as per the motto of separation were lost from pakistan in the very beginning??

pakistan's relation with muslim countries is enough to prove that two nation theory holds true

even after separation bengladeshis feel more towards pakistani than indian, infact both a a very common similarity of being disgusted about their indian neighbour hood at the same time

I don't really wanna get into this... But about ur comment of pak having good realtions with muslim countries- India has more muslims than pakistan and 90% of them live happily among others.
Don't mix up religion with politics.