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Pakistan needs a Two Child Policy

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The 6th Most populous country
Pakistan's population is on a Climb.
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/pakistan-population/

Pakistan approximately the size of US state of Texas went from 50,000,000 in 1950 to 200,000,000 in 2016.
Since India is set to overtake China in the race to the most Populated country in the next few years,Problems for India will creep up more and more,China has far better Living standard and managed to improve the lives of 600 million living in poverty.
In 2012, the Indian government stated 22% of its population is below its official poverty limit. The World Bank, in 2011 based on 2005's PPPs International Comparison Program, estimated 23.6% of Indian population, or about 276 million people, lived below $1.25 per day on purchasing power parity.
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Almost 50 percent of mumbai population lives in slums .It is the most populous city in India and the ninth most populous agglomeration in the world
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With Pakistan trying to learn "The art of China" with all the Chinese wisdom and CPEC why not learn another thing to reduce the biggest problem of Pakistan.
I often hear Pakistanis say We're the 6th most populous country in the world (Fun fact).
We can't even provide food education and health to an already out of hand population.
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Pakistan is a immensely troubled country ,Lets get real.
According to a report, nearly 39 percent of Pakistanis live in multidimensional poverty, with the highest rates of poverty in FATA and Balochistan. Pakistan's MPI showed a strong decline, with national poverty rates falling from 55% to 39% from 2004 to 2015.
In 2011, 12.4% of Pakistanis live below in Pakistan's definition of poverty however According to the World Bank, poverty in Pakistan fell from 64.3% in 2002 to 29.5% in 2014.
What's so special about this steep decline? It just represents the immense resilience of our people,No matter the odds always looking forward and having a positive mindset to improve their lives.
The effects of over-population for Pakistan are extremely disconcerting not because it cannot overcome the problem but because there is being done absolutely nothing to stop it.
More population mean's everything from.
  1. Unemployment leading to crime
  2. Rising Taxes and economic burden, Mostly the poor have the most children and that creates problems
  3. Problems with healthcare(Doctors won't be enough so will hospitals)
  4. Fleeing Immigrants (Very bad image for country)
  5. More traffic (If it hasn't sucked enough to drive in Islamabad /Rawalpindi already from 2011 on-wards there has been a Huge increase in traffic) With all the Little boys with no skill for driving crashing into good drivers.
  6. Transport and Infrastructure problems, Make new Metro buses (Gonna need at least 3 in Twin cities),Widen the roads as a result of Booming population.
  7. Education ,We've got a sorry $*it System that encourages hate between different classes,From everything to cambridge Edexcel IB yada yada to Government school and Mullah madrasa's, Can't provide education to an already huge population and it also leads to a special type of social radicalization that contributes to all the mess of Fake Jihad,Kill muslims and Infidels B.S
  8. Problems with city planning ,Not every Pakistani city can become (DHA or Bahria town) ,Just look at what has happened to Karachi from Partition and 1960s onward ,Even 1970s it looked a cleaner and beautiful city.
  9. More trash to take care of, We ain't recycling everything so just leave it off at Clifton or Margalla hills.
  10. Less people is freaking fantastic,Make the world a better place by getting rid of the special type that have 50 children and 6 wives,Ultimately the wife concept has to be revised to solve our stupid social issues ,Only 1 marriage per Boy/Man ,Don't screw that up lay down 2 eggs with one person mess the marriage up and go lay down another 2 with the other :P
Financial punishment Should be imposed depending on the economic standing of the family after every 2nd Child:

Super rich Class (Nawaz sharif ,Mian mansha etc) 80 Lac's per year
Upper-Class 30 Lacs A year Depending on Monthly Income
Middle Upper 10 lacs
Middle Middle 6 lacs
Middle lower 5 lacs
Lower 2 lacs Penalty after a Limit of 4 Children (Because most of them contribute to the agriculture sector and we need more farmers and laborers)
Lower lower (None) ?

2 child policy is not necessarily should be the limit,You can impose penalties on class systems if they cross the limit,Years of tax evasion will be retrieved from all classes especially the corrupt Super rich.

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No religious bashing and constructive criticism only,Don't go off topic (Keep it in between India Pakistan population)
No religious or political bashing here but dont even stary to compare india with pakistan, our people enjoy a much better standard of living and i believe that if we eliminate corruption we can quickly rise to the standardd europe has for their peoplr and we need a population boom instead of cutting down, we just need yo divert populations like they did it in america during the cattle drive and railroad era, better management through better administrative division, mew provinced based totaly free of ethinicity, 10 to 12 provinces with presidential and governer system, populaion diversiom to areas of balochistan etc...
 
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No religious or political bashing here but dont even stary to compare india with pakistan, our people enjoy a much better standard of living
Have you been to Sindh and seen the Hari? Have you been to the Kilns in Punjab? Or many farms in KP?
This blind nationalism is part of the reason Pakistan rots
 
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That is totally stupid to think Pakistan's population will stabilize automatically,Unless you are the Mullah type and God will resolve it.

No I am not "Mullah type" (if that's a derogatory term for you). Everybody in a society has a function. Religiously trained Imams, Molvis, and "Mullahs" have their function. Do you know Namaz-e-Janaza? Who would read your parents' namaz-e-janaza if it were not for the "Mullah type"? Who would teach your kids Qur'an and basics of Islamic rituals if it weren't for Qari sahab? Criticize idiots like Fazal ur Rehman who exploit religion for their own good, and many others in our society---but lets not make entire notion of religiously trained people as insulting.

Just for the info--I have a degree from one of the top ten Public university (top 1% of the world) in the United States and my degree deals with issues of nation building somewhat, and hence my above-average command on the topic of demographics. Lets dissect your point.

Pakistan's median age is what ? Do you know that????Do you even know what Population pyramid means?
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You are about to know in a bit...

Look at 2025/2000 ,That means you've a healthy Generation growth.

Demographics are seen in generational terms. In other words, 2025 is not something you should be looking at. 2050, 2075, 2100 etc. THAT is what population pyramids deal with. Because as one generation dies out, demographic cohort is replaced by next generation. One generation goes till 30, 40 years. So looking at population pyramids in increments of 5, 10 years is stupid as it doesn't show anything.

You should be looking at how a sub replacement fertility now will impact Pakistan's situation in 2060, 2070 etc.

You seriously think even if you enact 2 child policy in full swing We'll collapse??

Yes. YOU per say wouldn't collapse, but our coming generations in 2070 etc will. Let me teach you something..

2 kids per person limit means fall of fertility below the replacement level (which is 2.1). In a society where 2 kids limit is imposed--i.e people can have MAXIMUM 2 kids---most people end up having less than two kids. Replacement level falls below 2. Now here's the deal.

In France, fertility fell below replacement level when average French income was over $40,000 and France was industrialized to the limit. That is, French did not need workers as developing nations do, and their economy was based on "capital" (high tech computers, machines, robots etc etc)

Now imagine, Pakistan at a piss poor $1,300 per capita, with literally no mass scale industrialization, going below replacement level fertility. We would literally economically collapse because we won't have capital, the income levels, industrial base, OR the workforce to sustain our vast country and population (Remember, we are already near 200 million people!!).

We NEED workers to sustain our developing economy till we become industrialized and developed one day Inshallah!

Do you get the drift or just too emotional to let your mind educate?

People in this country flee and die in sea seeking refuge and work abroad in the hands of smugglers and this pai ji thinks that we'll go extinct or resolve automatically .

Demographics stabilize "automatically" as you develop. The process is already underway. In 1980's, average Pakistani woman used to have 5 kids etc. Today, average Pakistani woman has 3.35 kids etc. Within next two to three decades, average Pakistani will start to have 2, 2.3 kids on average as we develop, increase our incomes, and get industrialized Inshallah. By 2060 etc, our fertility is destined to fall BELOW replacement levels--do you what it means? We better be f*cking industrialized and developed before that happens. Otherwise we are totally f*cked as no society can sustain below level fertility levels in the developing stage of its journey. ALL countries that are facing aging problem right now are super industrialized and rich (Germany, Japan, South Korea, Spain etc).

Even they are having huge problem in terms of sustaining their economic and cultural outlook with aging population---imagine same problems being faced by a poor, developing country with no resources to sustain aging population. What will happen? Economic and social collapse.

If your genius 2-kids policy is forced upon our population now--when we are extremely poor and in our developing stage----neither we would prosper, nor develop, and nor get industrialized---and our economic clout with DEFLATE because we aren't an industrialized, efficient, rich society that can sustain an aging working force due to its extreme wealth, mechanization, robotic industrial production, and so on.

I think that title suits you better.

No, it still fits on you.

Your intention are good, I am sure. It is just that you aren't trained for this conversation whereas I AM because of my educational background and training.

Do you know why Turkish President consistently makes call to Turks to have 3 kids on average all the time? Because even Turkey--a country with $20,000 per capita and extremely industrialized economy compared to Pakistan--NEEDS a stable increasing population (healthy increase, not like sub-Saharan Africa with 6 kids per women) to sustain its development and propel itself in $40,000+ per capita income sphere where Western Europe, United States, Austrailia etc are.

Chinese had a BILLION+ people even AFTER having 1 child policy. They did NOT need a stable, healthy population increase like countries like Pakistan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Vietnam, Thailand, Japan, South Korea, and so on need.
 
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in islam the decision of family planning rests entirely on the couple. if they want few kids it depends on them and there are means of family planning allowed in islam. however, it is simply not allowed to make it a law or policy to restrict the number of kids. if someone does it he goes against the laws made by Allah and Prophet SAW which means he/ she thinks he is better law maker then the creator.
people will call me mullah or whatever but i my job is to say what is allowed in islam and what is not. i do not force it on others .


What is Islamic in Pakistan except the name Islamic Republic. Our governmental system is based on West-Minister, our Judicial system is based on the 19th century British system, our banking system is based on interest. Most of the people are following unislamic practices and corruption from the PM to the sabzi wala ranging from theft, extortion, blackmail, adulteration, forced religious conversions, honor killing, fraud, lies and deceit.

There is a Sunnah, where the prophet said if you see something wrong stop it with your hands, if you can't stop it with your hands alteast say it that its wrong, if you can't even say it then atleast in your heart think that its wrong. We have people on this very forum that not only defend corruption and wrong doings, but actually promote it.

So you see there is nothing Islamic about Pakistan nor its people.
 
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in islam the decision of family planning rests entirely on the couple. if they want few kids it depends on them and there are means of family planning allowed in islam. however, it is simply not allowed to make it a law or policy to restrict the number of kids. if someone does it he goes against the laws made by Allah and Prophet SAW which means he/ she thinks he is better law maker then the creator.
people will call me mullah or whatever but i my job is to say what is allowed in islam and what is not. i do not force it on others .
Agree, but it is no where mentioned that such law cannot be made. In fact if such law is passed in Pakistan it is obligatory on us to follow, because following law of land is also mandatory.

In fact this explosion of population is because of a govt law. Many may not be knowing that it was and is a law that a person who has 12 sons will get 25 acres of agriculture land and will qualify to be Nambardar of his village.

Easier said then done, what you going to do when someone "accidentally" has more then 2?

Improving tax collection is a better start.
How did Chinese meet this challenge, didn't they, successfully for so many years..
 
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