Pakistan needs 35 provinces on administrative basis | Tahir-ul-Qadri.

[Kompromat]

@RAMPAGE

Switzerland's provinces.

 

[Hyde]

@RAMPAGE

Switzerland's provinces.

I think giving the example of Switzerland is bit more difficult (not right) when you see the cantons of Switzerland were sovereign states before merging into Federation (One Unit). What I don't like about Switzerland is, their law keeps changing from canton to another and their example of similar to US States or one bad example is FATA in Pakistan may be. They were not divided by any entity which we ask from Pakstan. They were historically separate states and merged with distinguished principles still in place (although they matter very little). Just like Venice was merged into Italy or Hong Kong now in China.

I want to see one law for all the Pakistanis (unlike Switzerland) and the concept of separate provinces be limited to only for administrative cause.

You have more provinces competing against each other for the sake of better governance when you have more provinces. Each provincial government would want to go ahead from each other resulting in major growth, economic boom and stability. Having more provinces is a very good choice but we need to make sure we are not dividing the people in the race of separating provinces. You go to Geneva and you go to Zurich, you feel like you have travelled to two separate (peaceful) but different nations.

 

[Slav Defence]

Excellent idea I say.
I have always emphasized that we need to bring new constructive changes in our administrative infra-structure.
As stated earlier in my reports,I have mentioned that how our specific political mindsets succeed to create their specific lobby system using democratic pattern.

@Aeronaut well selected article,as it has helped us to understand more clearly that:

'How specific mindsets succeed to create specific lobby for themselves and hold power to maintain it with continuity?'

We all now understand the reason:the division and area of province-

The larger area,the greater power.
Thus,
That is why PML-N is elected for the third time,and we are experiencing homogenous situation as Punjab carries larger area,thus PML-N wins and dominates rest parties sucessfully.

I totally agree with @Zakii and @balixd and aeronaut.
To break power,hold of specific lobby of political parties,we must install more provinces and divide larger provinces in such a manner due to which the hegemoney and power of specific lobby of politicians is reduced or abolished.
We must make such appraoch to dissolve their lobby and to weaken their hold,to get fair and proper,heterogenous,systematic infrastructure and heterogenous regime of fair members.

 

[Kompromat]

@Zakii @Hyperion

If we have more provinces, it means that we can push the already dying wadera culture into oblivion faster than we can right now.

 

[Hyperion]

Yara, it's a good idea.... I went through your and @Zakii's posts...... I, mostly agree with both of your views, however, with a little bit twist.... for example zakii mentioned "one law" for all...... I don't think that's practical....... that's the main bone of contention here anyways...... why not have some sort of "modular" law? Look at our present justice system, it has become totally impractical (at least for the masses).......

Furthermore, to totally get rid of feudal (not same as wadera), you need to bring in land reforms and effective taxation.... not something akin to what Z.A. Bhutto did, but something more sophisticated.

In this scenario, we are mixing apples and oranges... first we need to clarify to ourselves, what actually we are trying to solve here?

A) Waderas? But that's not what ails us.
B) Ethnic tensions? But that's not what actually killing us.

Think....... and think again........ there is no one cure to all of our problems...... we all need to sit down and thrash out various solutions to different problems...... at the moment the toughest question to solve is militancy and the pending civil war from the "not haves".......

The idea of division on it's own, does have merits......

@Zakii @Hyperion

If we have more provinces, it means that we can push the already dying wadera culture into oblivion faster than we can right now.

 

[jaibi]

I believe that there should be more provinces and those too based on ethnic affinities. On the surface this might seem like a recipe for disaster however that is the essence of a federating unit: most power to the local unit administration. Our provinces are an exact replica of our national governance: inefficient centralisation and non-local administration. How wonderfully has that worked out? Empowered local people will administer their own areas well as accountability increases: you can easily question the man incharge or protest against his office or home.

Secondly, I am of the view that Pakistan needs to celebrate her diversity rather than try to suppress it. It would be wonderful if I were to go into a school in Lahore and hear children reading a poem in Punjabi, to go to Multan and hear them chant Saraiki, go to Peshawar and hear Pashto, Sindhi, Balochi, and Urdu. Our diversity will help: multilingualisim has not destroyed nations but those who accept it and encourage it enhance the cultural and collective esteem of various members of that society. The freedom to practice that which is natural to us: our culture will in the end enhance Pakistan.

Thirdly, I have often repeated this that we are polarised in terms of our diversity and our governments need to initiate social programmes to address that problem an excellent model is in Canadian education where culture studies and discussions are encouraged amongst students (you learn about a different culture) and my own idea is to have a local exchange programme amongst colleges and universities like the Fulbright model: have a bright student spend a semster in a university of another province. Such practices will enhance us and make us a much stronger nation.

Those are my two cents.

 

[runa moosani]

Tahir ul qadri says..right

Altaf hussain says..wrong

Hazara province..right

Karachi province..wrong

 

[Kompromat]

Tahir ul qadri says..right

Altaf hussain says..wrong

Hazara province..right

Karachi province..wrong

Its not about who's right and who's not. Its about whats good for the nation.

 

[runa moosani]

Its not about who's right and who's not. Its about whats good for the nation.

What is good for the nation,provinces on ethnic basis?

 

[Kompromat]

What is good for the nation,provinces on ethnic basis?

No, 35 provinces based on administrative divisions.

 

[Amaa'n]

I think giving the example of Switzerland is bit more difficult (not right) when you see the cantons of Switzerland were sovereign states before merging into Federation (One Unit). What I don't like about Switzerland is, their law keeps changing from canton to another and their example of similar to US States or one bad example is FATA in Pakistan may be. They were not divided by any entity which we ask from Pakstan. They were historically separate states and merged with distinguished principles still in place (although they matter very little). Just like Venice was merged into Italy or Hong Kong now in China.

I want to see one law for all the Pakistanis (unlike Switzerland) and the concept of separate provinces be limited to only for administrative cause.

You have more provinces competing against each other for the sake of better governance when you have more provinces. Each provincial government would want to go ahead from each other resulting in major growth, economic boom and stability. Having more provinces is a very good choice but we need to make sure we are not dividing the people in the race of separating provinces. You go to Geneva and you go to Zurich, you feel like you have travelled to two separate (peaceful) but different nations.

you are suggesting something along County system in UK? Because that is what i would like to have

@Zakii @Hyperion

If we have more provinces, it means that we can push the already dying wadera culture into oblivion faster than we can right now.

I dont see how are we going to do that when waderas themselves are ruling the country and sitting in the upper and lower houses.

 

[Alpha1]

Seems like a good idea - so rather than dividing the country on ethnic basis, why not abolish the borders - present it as single unit, and than we can have 35 Counties on administrative units?
Every unit will have to generate its own revenue, its own police force.

If every unit will have it's own Chief minister , staff and a cumbersome beaurocracy then HELL NO!

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But I do agree there should be more provinces if they provide more Administrative Convenience. Not 35 though!!

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@Aeronaut @nuclearpak

 

[Amaa'n]

Yara, it's a good idea.... I went through your and @Zakii's posts...... I, mostly agree with both of your views, however, with a little bit twist.... for example zakii mentioned "one law" for all...... I don't think that's practical....... that's the main bone of contention here anyways...... why not have some sort of "modular" law? Look at our present justice system, it has become totally impractical (at least for the masses).......

Furthermore, to totally get rid of feudal (not same as wadera), you need to bring in land reforms and effective taxation.... not something akin to what Z.A. Bhutto did, but something more sophisticated.

Laws in Pakistan dates back to 1880s, and they are already confusing enough, firearm to rape cases, every law is poorly defined, even if we manage to bring reforms and amend the current laws it will be good enough.

Certain judgements are made in the light of past judgements, if you have modular law, i can see judges will have hard time passing the right judgement, such things will happen until you have well defined laws.

But as you said, it is not the right time to open another front, especially when Karachi and balochistan are burning.

 

[Kompromat]

And who will administrate it?

Once the divisions have been given the provincial status, they will be governed by new provincial govt's backed by the local govt's.

 

[Thorough Pro]

and who will bear the administrative cost of proposed 35 provinces? Common man? who doesn't give a flying fcuk about about these things and only wants peace, power, employment, health, and education

In my opinion the existing provinces should be done away with, just one Pakistan adminsited by Federal gov, and and second level