Pakistan Navy Questions Thread

[Penguin]

It can be reloaded on type 054 while at sea, but not on F-22P. She would have to come back to the harbor to reload her missiles.

The original pair 054's appear to have a reloader below deck behind the launcher. As does 051B (167 Luhai). The pair of 052s (112 Harbin, 113 Qingdao) have a deckmounted reloader, as does at least 1 upgraded Luda class destroyer (Kaifeng (109) ).
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On F22P, the missile launcher can be reloaded manually provided calm sea. Afer all, the land systems are also reloaded manually, and it is possible to carry the 84 kg missile with 4-6 people. But it is not easy.

 

[alimobin memon]

@Penguin Thanks got it . F22p Size is almost identical to type 054 is it possible to install the Reload Assistance Device ?

 

[Penguin]

@Penguin Thanks got it . F22p Size is almost identical to type 054 is it possible to install the Reload Assistance Device ?

F22P is max 3200 tons fld, 123x13.4x6 meters
Type 054 is max 4500tons fld, 134x16x6 meters

Relative to F22P, the Type 054(A) has 27-41% greater displacement, 10% greater length and 20% greater beam. I would assume one could come up with a development of the F22P that is lengthened, to have space for a reloading (assist) device. For the existing ships, one would have to cut the hull in to parts and insert a new hull section forward of the bridge to house the reloading (assist) device. That's a rather substantial operation.

 

[alimobin memon]

F22P is max 3200 tons fld, 123x13.4x6 meters
Type 054 is max 4500tons fld, 134x16x6 meters
Relative to F22P, the Type 054(A) has 27-41% greater displacement, 10% greater length and 20% greater beam. I would assume one could come up with a development of the F22P that is lengthened, to have space for a reloading (assist) device. For the existing ships, one would have to cut the hull in to parts and insert a new hull section forward of the bridge to house the reloading (assist) device. That's a rather substantial operation.

Thanks

 

[razgriz19]

F22P is max 3200 tons fld, 123x13.4x6 meters
Type 054 is max 4500tons fld, 134x16x6 meters

Relative to F22P, the Type 054(A) has 27-41% greater displacement, 10% greater length and 20% greater beam. I would assume one could come up with a development of the F22P that is lengthened, to have space for a reloading (assist) device. For the existing ships, one would have to cut the hull in to parts and insert a new hull section forward of the bridge to house the reloading (assist) device. That's a rather substantial operation.

I think PN is happy with 8 missile launching system. If they were to alter the design then it probably be for HQ-16.

 

[Penguin]

I think PN is happy with 8 missile launching system. If they were to alter the design then it probably be for HQ-16.

Well, I'ld rather go for e.g a single Mk41 tactical or Sylver A43 with 8 quedpacked cells (e.g. ESSM or CAMM(M) or VT1. Even 16 VL Umkhonto or VL Mica would be good in their own present VLUs. HQ16 is relatively bulky.

 

[razgriz19]

Well, I'ld rather go for e.g a single Mk41 tactical or Sylver A43 with 8 quedpacked cells (e.g. ESSM or CAMM(M) or VT1. Even 16 VL Umkhonto or VL Mica would be good in their own present VLUs. HQ16 is relatively bulky.

yeah, but its very unlikely PN would acquire any equipment outside china. Not till our economy is better at least.

 

[Penguin]

yeah, but its very unlikely PN would acquire any equipment outside china. Not till our economy is better at least.

VT1 dimensions:

yeah, but its very unlikely PN would acquire any equipment outside china. Not till our economy is better at least.

Well, VT1 is quadpacked into Sylver, and VT1 is the missile in Crotale NG. Therefor, its dimensions should be similar to HQ7. Which suggests the possibility the Chinese could come up with a HQ7 version that can be quadpacked into the 8-cell VLU used on 054A and 052D.

 

[razgriz19]

VT1 dimensions:

Well, VT1 is quadpacked into Sylver, and VT1 is the missile in Crotale NG. Therefor, its dimensions should be similar to HQ7. Which suggests the possibility the Chinese could come up with a HQ7 version that can be quadpacked into the 8-cell VLU used on 054A and 052D.

But no one is putting short range SAM on ships anymore, not even the Chinese. Although any sort of new SAM would be a massive upgrade over the current one.

By the way do you think its possible for PN to get a similar system on Oliver Perry class boats like the Aussies did?

 

[Penguin]

HQ

But no one is putting short range SAM on ships anymore, not even the Chinese. Although any sort of new SAM would be a massive upgrade over the current one.

By the way do you think its possible for PN to get a similar system on Oliver Perry class boats like the Aussies did?

HQ7/Crotale is relatively short range. As is Seasparrow. But obviously we are moving to longer range missiles with the spread of supersonic antiship weapons. Hence Sea Sparrow is replaced by ESSM and Crotale by VL Aster in some navies. Increasingly those longer range missile are considered short range, while the range of long range missiles is also increased.

Still, we find short range missiles e.g. RAM, FL3000N/HQ10, Barak 1. And some VL such as VL Mica, VT1. A larger Blok 2 RAM will be provided as quad-packet round for Mk41.

Obviously a Mk41 tactical or equivalent Sylver launcher or other equivalent VLU would be usefull on OHP. Also adopted by Turkey for its G-class upgrade.

I don't see why US would deliver e.g. Harpoon but not Mk41/ESSM, esp. when coupled to Thales radars.

 

[Penguin]

The Turkish G class frigates undergo a major modernization program. This includes retrofitting of the Turkish GENESIS digital combat management system (Gemi Entegre Savaş İdare Sistemi). For 4 ships, the modernization program further includes:

• The addition of an 8-cell Mk41 Baseline VII tactical modules for RIM-162 ESSM
• The upgrade of the Mk-92 fire control system built by Lockheed Martin (WM-25 under licence from Thales)
• The retrofitting of a new advanced Thales SMART-S Mk2 3D air search radar
• The addition of a new long range sonar

GABYA CLASS (O. H. Perry) |

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For Australia's upgrade see Australia’s Hazard(ous) Frigate Upgrades

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

Australia's Hazard(ous) Frigate Upgrades

 

[Inception-06]

How many Type-21 Frigates (amazon class) are still in service with Pakistan Navy, will they get any upgrade ?

I now 6 are in service, but to rumors in PDF some rust in the ports and are out of service.....

@Penguin do you think a upgrade or overhaul for this ships would make any sense or is it possible ?

 

[Inception-06]

PNS Sabqat (Huangfeng class missile boat)

What did happen with this ships, were they scrapped ? Or can we see them in museum or are they stored and put in reserve ?

 

[Penguin]

@Penguin do you think a upgrade or overhaul for this ships would make any sense or is it possible ?

Possible: yes
Sensible: No

PN intends to decommission the ships from their active service between 2010 and 2020. They've been in PN service for 20 years after some 20 years of UK service. More F22P or variants would be a better option (for starters, they all have both AShM and SAM and CIWS)