Pakistan navy post 2020 - Future Plans

[Tipu7]

If the PN is interested in the AW101, then it means it'll procure additional Z-9ECs to support ASW/utility operations from its new ships

PN is not fond of Z9E. So far the platform has turned out to be a headache as far as its maintainance is concerned. I believe PN will avoid increasing the fleet of Z9. Instead it will replace them in longer term with same option which will be replacing Alouettes. Be it T625, be it AW139.

I understand why not, but in comparison to the AW101, much better reliability, and much easier maintenance.

Anyways, the AW101 comes with as an AWAC version as well, wishful thinking on my part, but hope you get it.

We have four ZDK-03 for Southern sectors; including Arabian sea, for this role. Pakistan will avoid procurement of systems with overlapping capabilities.
The AEWC version of Marlin is meant for those navies which have to use their surface fleets for oceanic power projection, something which is not in accordance of Pakistan's naval posture.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

PN is not fond of Z9E. So far the platform has turned out to be a headache as far as its maintainance is concerned. I believe PN will avoid increasing the fleet of Z9. Instead it will replace them in longer term with same option which will be replacing Alouettes. Be it T625, be it AW139.


We have four ZDK-03 for Southern sectors; including Arabian sea, for this role. Pakistan will avoid procurement of systems with overlapping capabilities.
The AEWC version of Marlin is meant for those navies which have to use their surface fleets for oceanic power projection, something which is not in accordance of Pakistan's naval posture.

If Lockheed Martin's sitting on a potential $4 b deal with the PAF on F-16 Block-72s and F-16V upgrades, then it's probably sitting on a $1 bn PN helicopter deal too (MH-60). And then the Army's Pumas are still kicking about, one can imagine a proposal dossier with mixed surplus UH-60s and new S-70is at GHQ. @Oscar Any chance LM's lobbying efforts go up a notch in the next 12-18 months?

 

[Tipu7]

If Lockheed Martin's sitting on a potential $4 b deal with the PAF on F-16 Block-72s and F-16V upgrades, then it's probably sitting on a $1 bn PN helicopter deal too (MH-60). And then the Army's Pumas are still kicking about, one can imagine a proposal dossier with mixed surplus UH-60s and new S-70is at GHQ. @Oscar Any chance LM's lobbying efforts go up a notch in the next 12-18 months?

Isn't it better to take Bell on board for Venoms? after all our AH1Z are still there and Bell offers a very promising combination of Venom & Viper with over 70% parts commonality.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Isn't it better to take Bell on board for Venoms? after all our AH1Z are still there and Bell offers a very promising combination of Venom & Viper with over 70% parts commonality.

I'd reckon the surplus UH-60As and even transport-only S-70i are cheaper, especially for the numbers the PAA will need. The AH-1Z/UH-1Y combo is better suited for our SOFs and, from a political standpoint, may be more palatable to the US as it'd imply a stronger COIN/CT focus.

 

[LKJ86]

Isn't it better to take Bell on board for Venoms? after all our AH1Z are still there and Bell offers a very promising combination of Venom & Viper with over 70% parts commonality.

A good choice in times of peace.

 

[Khafee]

I'd reckon the surplus UH-60As and even transport-only S-70i are cheaper, especially for the numbers the PAA will need. The AH-1Z/UH-1Y combo is better suited for our SOFs and, from a political standpoint, may be more palatable to the US as it'd imply a stronger COIN/CT focus.

There is a lot more going on, but no point talking about it.

 

[Readerdefence]

If Lockheed Martin's sitting on a potential $4 b deal with the PAF on F-16 Block-72s and F-16V upgrades, then it's probably sitting on a $1 bn PN helicopter deal too (MH-60). And then the Army's Pumas are still kicking about, one can imagine a proposal dossier with mixed surplus UH-60s and new S-70is at GHQ. @Oscar Any chance LM's lobbying efforts go up a notch in the next 12-18 months?

Hi just a thought if DT can come out from impeachment scenario cleanly there is a chance of LM
To through a $1 billion towards his campaign for the second term there can be a chance for them to get it done through that way or the other
Thank you

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Hi just a thought if DT can come out from impeachment scenario cleanly there is a chance of LM
To through a $1 billion towards his campaign for the second term there can be a chance for them to get it done through that way or the other
Thank you

No longer are US arms contracts tied to the White House. Rather, if US interests as a whole say it's OK, it'll happen one way or another. If LM is convinced it can secure $5-6 b in contracts in Pakistan, then it needs to convince the right people in the White House, State Department, DoD and Congress of that fact.

 

[SQ8]

If Lockheed Martin's sitting on a potential $4 b deal with the PAF on F-16 Block-72s and F-16V upgrades, then it's probably sitting on a $1 bn PN helicopter deal too (MH-60). And then the Army's Pumas are still kicking about, one can imagine a proposal dossier with mixed surplus UH-60s and new S-70is at GHQ. @Oscar Any chance LM's lobbying efforts go up a notch in the next 12-18 months?

Leonardo is pitching a 139 derivative for the PN. LM may lobby but as such it is focused on the Indian pie for now.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Leonardo is pitching a 139 derivative for the PN. LM may lobby but as such it is focused on the Indian pie for now.

PAC said at IDEAS 2018 that it was setting-up a depot-level MRO site for the AW139 as well, so I think they'd prefer the PN and PA to double-down on that platform. So, it now seems like a Hi/Lo mix of the AW101 and AW139, funds permitting.

 

[Readerdefence]

No longer are US arms contracts tied to the White House. Rather, if US interests as a whole say it's OK, it'll happen one way or another. If LM is convinced it can secure $5-6 b in contracts in Pakistan, then it needs to convince the right people in the White House, State Department, DoD and Congress of that fact.

Hi so if I’m not wrong if Pakistan can secure 5-6 B it’s possible for LM to cut through the Indian lobby and make DT or whoever the next president to over rule the congress and give a waver for Pakistan
Thank you

 

[khanasifm]

PAC said at IDEAS 2018 that it was setting-up a depot-level MRO site for the AW139 as well, so I think they'd prefer the PN and PA to double-down on that platform. So, it now seems like a Hi/Lo mix of the AW101 and AW139, funds permitting.

Even for medium lift mi-17 paa and paf went together as single platform but mi-17 has no asw Version nor pn is right now in need seaking will go for another 5/10 years

But aw-139 is a success story with large active fleet around the world

 

[cabatli_53]

PN 2020 naval power projection, Is there any AAV requirement that PN has described for amphibious forces ? I would like to see ZAHA to join into a tough trials against rivals in Pakistan. Zaha is in its critical design phase at present and first prototype reached 7,5knots on a dam lake.

 

[CHACHA"G"]

PN 2020 naval power projection, Is there any AAV requirement that PN has described for amphibious forces ? I would like to see ZAHA to join into a tough trials against rivals in Pakistan. Zaha is in its critical design phase at present and first prototype reached 7,5knots on a dam lake.

Pakistan building Marines forces , This means Marines need proper eqm like helis , amphib/ships , IFVs , etc..

Even for medium lift mi-17 paa and paf went together as single platform but mi-17 has no asw Version nor pn is right now in need seaking will go for another 5/10 years

But aw-139 is a success story with large active fleet around the world

Combo of Mi-17 with AW-139 or Aw-101 will make it to Pakistan Marine one day ,, If we look closely Pakistan Marine will go for 2 types of helis Just like PAA (Mi-17 and Puma)..

PAC said at IDEAS 2018 that it was setting-up a depot-level MRO site for the AW139 as well, so I think they'd prefer the PN and PA to double-down on that platform. So, it now seems like a Hi/Lo mix of the AW101 and AW139, funds permitting.

Dear Sir , PAA soon have to replace PUMA and we all know Pakistan military is expanding (in terms of capabilities) , Pakistan Marines is latest addition , they too need helis for both (sea and land) base operations ..

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Pakistan building Marines forces , This means Marines need proper eqm like helis , amphib/ships , IFVs , etc..


Combo of Mi-17 with AW-139 or Aw-101 will make it to Pakistan Marine one day ,, If we look closely Pakistan Marine will go for 2 types of helis Just like PAA (Mi-17 and Puma)..


Dear Sir , PAA soon have to replace PUMA and we all know Pakistan military is expanding (in terms of capabilities) , Pakistan Marines is latest addition , they too need helis for both (sea and land) base operations ..

Re: the Pumas, the PAA can look at the AW139 (similar MTOW) or heavier options, like the AW189K (basically the AW149 with a French engine), Super Puma, Caracal, and Chinese Z-20. But if it's up to me, I'd do something nuts like get the AW189K and use the same engine on the Rooivalk Mk2.