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As per available info all three Agosta 90 have AIP systems and being further upgraded by Turks.
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As per available info all three Agosta 90 have AIP systems and being further upgraded by Turks.
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Passing out Parade of Pak Navy SEAL Course held at Karachi. The parade comprised of officers and sailors, who completed rigorous training in conformity to the set standards. The Chief Guest, COMCOAST, V/ Adm Fasial Rasul Lodhi congratulated the Navy SEALs
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24 total graduates or 48 total graduates ?
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China Navy Decommission Of The Day: AOR 882 Poyanghu
After 40 years of service, China Navy's first generation of Ocean-going Type 905 Replenishment Tanker class is now decommissioned. AOR 882 was the last of a four-ship class built in the 1980, after her decommissioning, the entire Type 905 class is now gone from China Navy's OrBat.
Her sister ship - AOR 881 - decommissioned back in Dec 2018.
its a sister ship of PNS NASR, good for PN if they got this
After 40 years of service, China Navy's first generation of Ocean-going Type 905 Replenishment Tanker class is now decommissioned. AOR 882 was the last of a four-ship class built in the 1980, after her decommissioning, the entire Type 905 class is now gone from China Navy's OrBat.
Her sister ship - AOR 881 - decommissioned back in Dec 2018.
its a sister ship of PNS NASR, good for PN if they got this
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One way to get Destroyers for the Pakistan Navy on a budget is to get used small merchant ships and add VLS launchers and other weapons. These would be in the 5000 - 10,000 ton range.
There is a study by the US to do something similar to meet their own needs:
The answer? Purchase low-cost merchant ships and convert them to carry and operate modular weapon systems, at least according to a team that includes retired Navy Captain R. Robinson Harris and Retired Marine Corps Colonel T.X. Hammes. The point wouldn’t be to put these merchant ships in heavily-contested waters, but rather to let them adopt low-threat operations such as steaming in circles near allied nations to provide Aegis missile defense support. The U.S. Naval Institute’s proposal states:
An important element of the push for a larger Navy is the need for more vertical launch system (VLS) cells, or put plainly, tubes from which to launch missiles. Ballistic missiles of varying sorts are the Navy’s go-to weapon for everything from ballistic missile defense and anti-ship operations to surface-to-surface engagements like last year’s missile strikes in Syria. These launch tubes represent the kinetic end of the Aegis apparatus as well, which forced many of the nation’s Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyers into maintaining missile defense postures.
https://sofrep.com/news/new-navy-pr...into-heavily-armed-missile-merchant-warships/
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Imagine putting Pakistani version of a DF-21 type weapon on a ship. And a large number of AShMs. Perhaps even a locally developed LRSAM. Towed sonar. Helicopter. And you'd still have ample space left.
Used merchant vessels go for very little money, as older ships become inefficient for long trade routes. This however has little impact for a conversion to a "destroyer" type vessel.
More:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/mi...8/usni-merchant-ships-navy-missile-magazines/
Still, if the Navy can accept or mitigate these issues without the need for expensive, bureaucratic, time-consuming fixes, it can vastly increase its floating firepower. For the price of one new destroyer with 96 missile silos it could easily have up to 30 ex-commercial vessels with 50 missiles each. One destroyer can only be in one place at a time, but 30 ex-commercial vessels could be in 30 different places all over the globe. Is that an acceptable trade-off? That’s for the Navy to decide.
21st Century East Indiaman
TEU containers can support more than just cargo. In recent years some nations have developed a variety of “containerized” weapon systems to include guns, mortars, small missiles and even larger cruise missiles. The combination of the very large container ship, vast numbers of containers per ship, and containerized warfighting tools offers the possibility of a 21st century East Indiaman. Such a ship might field several dozen “militarized” containers with offensive and defensive weapons, sensors, and the communications equipment needed to link the ship to larger, regional battle networks. If not already possessed of helicopter facilities, additional containers could support rotary wing aviation. The vessel might carry large numbers of unmanned air vehicles for both offensive and defensive missions. They won’t have large crews for damage control and their container-based combat systems may likely be fragile and not capable of sustained combat as a warship could.
A 7,000-ton frigate’s combat systems could weigh about 1050 tons, about the equivalent of 35 TEU loads and might occupy 70 TEUs of space. If a container load for the modular combat system must supply power as well – figure 100 TEUs – a small fraction on a 5000 TEU PANAMAX ship’s cargo space. Erecting the modular combat system at sea might constitute a larger challenge unless the ship was designed for the purpose and had self-enablement cranes. That said, such capabilities might be enough to repel an attack on a convoy by light or medium enemy forces. Like their 18th century forebears, 21st century armed cargo ships could in effect escort themselves with significant self-defense capabilities and magazine spaces equivalent to those of medium-sized warships. The Israelis and the Russians are already experimenting with these concepts.
Israeli LORA launch test
Russian containerized Club-K missile launcher
While not built to warship survivability standards, the sheer size of modern container ships contributes to their survivability rating. Large merchant ships that have been the victims of attack since the 1980s have shown remarkable resiliency in resisting damage. In 1987 the large oil tanker Bridgeton, a reflagged Kuwaiti vessel being escorted by U.S. Navy ships as part of Operation Earnest Will mounted in response to the 1980s “tanker war,” shrugged off a mine hit and continued operations. A similar weapon disabled the guided missile frigate USS Samuel B. Roberts, a purpose-built convoy escort ship. The 21st Century East Indiaman could free up escorting warships for more offensive actions. The price tag for such a vessel might be relatively low, with most costs being associated with the additional containerized weapons and sensors, as well as the small Navy crew needed to operate the vessel.
https://www.maritime-executive.com/editorials/a-fighting-merchant-ship-for-the-21st-century
There is a study by the US to do something similar to meet their own needs:
The answer? Purchase low-cost merchant ships and convert them to carry and operate modular weapon systems, at least according to a team that includes retired Navy Captain R. Robinson Harris and Retired Marine Corps Colonel T.X. Hammes. The point wouldn’t be to put these merchant ships in heavily-contested waters, but rather to let them adopt low-threat operations such as steaming in circles near allied nations to provide Aegis missile defense support. The U.S. Naval Institute’s proposal states:
An important element of the push for a larger Navy is the need for more vertical launch system (VLS) cells, or put plainly, tubes from which to launch missiles. Ballistic missiles of varying sorts are the Navy’s go-to weapon for everything from ballistic missile defense and anti-ship operations to surface-to-surface engagements like last year’s missile strikes in Syria. These launch tubes represent the kinetic end of the Aegis apparatus as well, which forced many of the nation’s Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyers into maintaining missile defense postures.
https://sofrep.com/news/new-navy-pr...into-heavily-armed-missile-merchant-warships/
@Bilal Khan (Quwa)
Imagine putting Pakistani version of a DF-21 type weapon on a ship. And a large number of AShMs. Perhaps even a locally developed LRSAM. Towed sonar. Helicopter. And you'd still have ample space left.
Used merchant vessels go for very little money, as older ships become inefficient for long trade routes. This however has little impact for a conversion to a "destroyer" type vessel.
More:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/mi...8/usni-merchant-ships-navy-missile-magazines/
Still, if the Navy can accept or mitigate these issues without the need for expensive, bureaucratic, time-consuming fixes, it can vastly increase its floating firepower. For the price of one new destroyer with 96 missile silos it could easily have up to 30 ex-commercial vessels with 50 missiles each. One destroyer can only be in one place at a time, but 30 ex-commercial vessels could be in 30 different places all over the globe. Is that an acceptable trade-off? That’s for the Navy to decide.
21st Century East Indiaman
TEU containers can support more than just cargo. In recent years some nations have developed a variety of “containerized” weapon systems to include guns, mortars, small missiles and even larger cruise missiles. The combination of the very large container ship, vast numbers of containers per ship, and containerized warfighting tools offers the possibility of a 21st century East Indiaman. Such a ship might field several dozen “militarized” containers with offensive and defensive weapons, sensors, and the communications equipment needed to link the ship to larger, regional battle networks. If not already possessed of helicopter facilities, additional containers could support rotary wing aviation. The vessel might carry large numbers of unmanned air vehicles for both offensive and defensive missions. They won’t have large crews for damage control and their container-based combat systems may likely be fragile and not capable of sustained combat as a warship could.
A 7,000-ton frigate’s combat systems could weigh about 1050 tons, about the equivalent of 35 TEU loads and might occupy 70 TEUs of space. If a container load for the modular combat system must supply power as well – figure 100 TEUs – a small fraction on a 5000 TEU PANAMAX ship’s cargo space. Erecting the modular combat system at sea might constitute a larger challenge unless the ship was designed for the purpose and had self-enablement cranes. That said, such capabilities might be enough to repel an attack on a convoy by light or medium enemy forces. Like their 18th century forebears, 21st century armed cargo ships could in effect escort themselves with significant self-defense capabilities and magazine spaces equivalent to those of medium-sized warships. The Israelis and the Russians are already experimenting with these concepts.
Israeli LORA launch test
Russian containerized Club-K missile launcher
While not built to warship survivability standards, the sheer size of modern container ships contributes to their survivability rating. Large merchant ships that have been the victims of attack since the 1980s have shown remarkable resiliency in resisting damage. In 1987 the large oil tanker Bridgeton, a reflagged Kuwaiti vessel being escorted by U.S. Navy ships as part of Operation Earnest Will mounted in response to the 1980s “tanker war,” shrugged off a mine hit and continued operations. A similar weapon disabled the guided missile frigate USS Samuel B. Roberts, a purpose-built convoy escort ship. The 21st Century East Indiaman could free up escorting warships for more offensive actions. The price tag for such a vessel might be relatively low, with most costs being associated with the additional containerized weapons and sensors, as well as the small Navy crew needed to operate the vessel.
https://www.maritime-executive.com/editorials/a-fighting-merchant-ship-for-the-21st-century
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I did not open a thread about the Induction of PNS Yarmook as there are enough snotty , spotty , mentally unstable boys with Hormonal disorders on PDF, to derail the thread into complete nonsense.
Last time someone opened a thread about this ship, most of the discussion was about why the Ship has an "Arabic name", and i learned nothing about the actual matter, the capabilities of the ship.
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Pak Navy Gets 2300-Tonne Corvette With Advanced Weaponry & Defense System
Pak Navy Gets 2300-Tonne Corvette With Advanced Weaponry & Defense System
Pakistan Navy inducted another state of the art ship, PNS Yarmook F-271, into its fleet on Monday. Damen, a Dutch shipbuilder, signed a deal with Pakistan’s Ministry of Defence Production in 2017 for two multi-purpose OPVs. The ship is built by Damen at its Ottoman shipyard in Galati.
The 2,300-tonne corvette is equipped with advanced weaponry and defense systems and has the ability to carry helicopters and drones as well. The induction of the ship will help Pakistan Navy strengthen its maritime operations, enabling the force to safeguard the borders in a better way.
Pak Navy Gets 2300-Tonne Corvette With Advanced Weaponry & Defense System
Pakistan Navy inducted another state of the art ship, PNS Yarmook F-271, into its fleet on Monday. Damen, a Dutch shipbuilder, signed a deal with Pakistan’s Ministry of Defence Production in 2017 for two multi-purpose OPVs. The ship is built by Damen at its Ottoman shipyard in Galati.
The 2,300-tonne corvette is equipped with advanced weaponry and defense systems and has the ability to carry helicopters and drones as well. The induction of the ship will help Pakistan Navy strengthen its maritime operations, enabling the force to safeguard the borders in a better way.
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Pakistan Inducts Newest Warship, PNS Yarmook
Satellite image of the PNS Yarmook ready to be inducted
On July 13 the Pakistani Navy held a ceremony in Karachi to mark the induction of its newest corvette, the PNS Yarmook.
Pakistan Inducts Newest Warship, PNS Yarmook
On July 13 the Pakistani Navy held a ceremony in Karachi to mark the induction of its newest corvette, the PNS Yarmook.
Preparations for the ceremony were observed from an unusual perspective.
H I Sutton 15 Jul 2020
On July 13 the Pakistani Navy held a ceremony in Karachi to mark the induction of its newest corvette, the PNS Yarmook. The Chief Guest, Chief of the Naval Staff (CNS) Admiral Zafar Mahmood Abbasi, said that is an important milestone for the Pakistani Navy. He is reported to have said that PNS Yarmook will act as force multiplier to safeguard maritime interests of Pakistan.
Preparations for the induction were picked up by Open Source Intelligence (OSINT) observers. Twitter user @detresfa_ posted commercial satellite imagery showing the red carpets laid for the ceremony.
This was the induction ceremony following the ship’s arrival in Pakistan. It was commissioned at the builder, Damen, Romania, on February 15. The ship then made a goodwill visit to Golcuk in Turkey during its delivery voyage, on March 7.
PNS Yarmook transiting the Bosporus on her delivery voyage, February 29, 2020. Photo by Yörük Işık
A second Yarmook class corvette, PNS Tabuk, is under construction at Damen in Romania and is expected to be delivered this year.
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H I Sutton writes about the secretive and under-reported submarines, seeking out unusual and interesting vessels and technologies involved in fighting beneath the waves. Submarines, capabilities, naval special forces underwater vehicles and the changing world of underwater warfare and seabed warfare. To do this he combines the latest Open Source Intelligence (OSINT) with the traditional art and science of defense analysis. He occasionally writes non-fiction books on these topics and draws analysis-based illustrations to bring the subject to life. In addition, H I SUtton is a naval history buff and data geek. His personal website about these topics is Covert Shores (www.hisutton.com)
Pakistan Inducts Newest Warship, PNS Yarmook
Satellite image of the PNS Yarmook ready to be inducted
On July 13 the Pakistani Navy held a ceremony in Karachi to mark the induction of its newest corvette, the PNS Yarmook.
Pakistan Inducts Newest Warship, PNS Yarmook
On July 13 the Pakistani Navy held a ceremony in Karachi to mark the induction of its newest corvette, the PNS Yarmook.
Preparations for the ceremony were observed from an unusual perspective.
H I Sutton 15 Jul 2020
On July 13 the Pakistani Navy held a ceremony in Karachi to mark the induction of its newest corvette, the PNS Yarmook. The Chief Guest, Chief of the Naval Staff (CNS) Admiral Zafar Mahmood Abbasi, said that is an important milestone for the Pakistani Navy. He is reported to have said that PNS Yarmook will act as force multiplier to safeguard maritime interests of Pakistan.
Preparations for the induction were picked up by Open Source Intelligence (OSINT) observers. Twitter user @detresfa_ posted commercial satellite imagery showing the red carpets laid for the ceremony.
This was the induction ceremony following the ship’s arrival in Pakistan. It was commissioned at the builder, Damen, Romania, on February 15. The ship then made a goodwill visit to Golcuk in Turkey during its delivery voyage, on March 7.
PNS Yarmook transiting the Bosporus on her delivery voyage, February 29, 2020. Photo by Yörük Işık
A second Yarmook class corvette, PNS Tabuk, is under construction at Damen in Romania and is expected to be delivered this year.
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Posted by : H I Sutton
H I Sutton writes about the secretive and under-reported submarines, seeking out unusual and interesting vessels and technologies involved in fighting beneath the waves. Submarines, capabilities, naval special forces underwater vehicles and the changing world of underwater warfare and seabed warfare. To do this he combines the latest Open Source Intelligence (OSINT) with the traditional art and science of defense analysis. He occasionally writes non-fiction books on these topics and draws analysis-based illustrations to bring the subject to life. In addition, H I SUtton is a naval history buff and data geek. His personal website about these topics is Covert Shores (www.hisutton.com)
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Jul 16, 2020,
Pakistan Navy Keeps Silent On Mystery Submarine But New Details Emerge
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The unidentified Pakistani Navy submarine is based in Karachi
The unidentified submarine is located away from[+]
The Pakistan Navy has not yet officially acknowledged the submarine sitting on the quay outside its special forces headquarters. The submarine was first revealed on Forbes in April. Since then further satellite images have emerged. These provide additional clues about the unidentified boat.
But more significantly, there may have been a social media leak from an official twitter account.
On July 3 Rear Admiral M Arshid Javed, Director General Public Relations for the Pakistan Navy, shared a video of a passing out parade. In the video new operatives of the Special Services Group Navy (SSG-N) special forces unit are parading and receiving awards. They are marching in the parade square at PNS Iqbal, the SSG-N’s headquarters and training base. For the first three seconds of the video part of the mystery submarine is visible in the background.
It is covered in tarpaulins but to trained eyes the shape is unmistakable. And it exactly matches the satellite image at the head of this article, which was also taken on July 3. The tarpaulin covering the front of the submarine is a light beige color, and the one over the back is a faded red.
The contours of the tarpaulins may reveal some new details about the submarine. For example we can see the shape created by the forward hydroplanes. Technical details like this will be useful to defense analysts trying to better understand her form and capabilities. But the eye catches another feature hidden beneath the tarps. Running along the top of the hull is a casing which appears to be shaped to cover cylindrical tubes. Logically, this will be for torpedo tubes. These features were not confidently identified at the time of my previous article.
Having two torpedo tubes under the forward casing would match the previous generation of Pakistan Navy submarines used by the SSG-N. Three Cosmos class “X-Craft”, more properly called the Cos.Mo.S MG-110, are in service. These have twin torpedo tubes in almost exactly the same place as the new boat.
In fact the dark sails of two of the Cosmos class “X-Craft” are visible inside a long shed behind the parade. These were built locally in the 1990s to an Italian design. The new boat appears to have been influenced by the Cosmos class but is shorter, around 55 feet long.
The new design likely has the same role as the Cosmos class, which is to act as a transport for SSG-N commandos. It could also perform ISR missions, meaning Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance. In both these roles the torpedoes wold be for self-defense and targets of opportunity.
The location of the new submarine keeps it away from prying eyes, and so far no photographs have emerged. It is near to where the Pakistan Navy’s regular submarines are moored, and where their newest warship, PNS Yarmook, was inducted on July 13. That too was caught on satellite imagery.
No doubt more details of this new submarine will emerge over time. But currently the Pakistan Navy is keeping the covers on it.
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Pakistan Navy Keeps Silent On Mystery Submarine But New Details Emerge
H I Sutton
Aerospace & Defense
I cover the changing world of underwater warfare.
The unidentified Pakistani Navy submarine is based in Karachi
The unidentified submarine is located away from[+]
The Pakistan Navy has not yet officially acknowledged the submarine sitting on the quay outside its special forces headquarters. The submarine was first revealed on Forbes in April. Since then further satellite images have emerged. These provide additional clues about the unidentified boat.
But more significantly, there may have been a social media leak from an official twitter account.
On July 3 Rear Admiral M Arshid Javed, Director General Public Relations for the Pakistan Navy, shared a video of a passing out parade. In the video new operatives of the Special Services Group Navy (SSG-N) special forces unit are parading and receiving awards. They are marching in the parade square at PNS Iqbal, the SSG-N’s headquarters and training base. For the first three seconds of the video part of the mystery submarine is visible in the background.
It is covered in tarpaulins but to trained eyes the shape is unmistakable. And it exactly matches the satellite image at the head of this article, which was also taken on July 3. The tarpaulin covering the front of the submarine is a light beige color, and the one over the back is a faded red.
The contours of the tarpaulins may reveal some new details about the submarine. For example we can see the shape created by the forward hydroplanes. Technical details like this will be useful to defense analysts trying to better understand her form and capabilities. But the eye catches another feature hidden beneath the tarps. Running along the top of the hull is a casing which appears to be shaped to cover cylindrical tubes. Logically, this will be for torpedo tubes. These features were not confidently identified at the time of my previous article.
Having two torpedo tubes under the forward casing would match the previous generation of Pakistan Navy submarines used by the SSG-N. Three Cosmos class “X-Craft”, more properly called the Cos.Mo.S MG-110, are in service. These have twin torpedo tubes in almost exactly the same place as the new boat.
In fact the dark sails of two of the Cosmos class “X-Craft” are visible inside a long shed behind the parade. These were built locally in the 1990s to an Italian design. The new boat appears to have been influenced by the Cosmos class but is shorter, around 55 feet long.
The new design likely has the same role as the Cosmos class, which is to act as a transport for SSG-N commandos. It could also perform ISR missions, meaning Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance. In both these roles the torpedoes wold be for self-defense and targets of opportunity.
The location of the new submarine keeps it away from prying eyes, and so far no photographs have emerged. It is near to where the Pakistan Navy’s regular submarines are moored, and where their newest warship, PNS Yarmook, was inducted on July 13. That too was caught on satellite imagery.
No doubt more details of this new submarine will emerge over time. But currently the Pakistan Navy is keeping the covers on it.
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Same area different angle. The vessel cloth-covered in background is possibly THAT submarine...
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As Swift Class Corvettes from USA are not coming I think order of these OPV\Corvette will get doubled.
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