No, it's not as straight forward as you put it. It depends on how many are required, so if just 120 odd examples are required then indeed domestic system will be more expensive if one factors RnD and other overheads.
Pakistan navy deploys Chinese C-602 cruise missile
- Thread starter shree835
- Start date
No, it's not as straight forward as you put it. It depends on how many are required, so if just 120 odd examples are required then indeed domestic system will be more expensive if one factors RnD and other overheads.
DESERT FIGHTER
ELITE MEMBER
- Joined
- Jan 1, 2010
- Messages
- 46,973
- Reaction score
- 95
- Country
- Location
Wasnt us draggin in Babur CM... Babur isnt an anti ship missile to begin with... as for brahmos .. it is a russian product do you deny tht ?
StormShadow
SENIOR MEMBER
- Joined
- Jan 10, 2011
- Messages
- 3,485
- Reaction score
- -10
DESERT FIGHTER
ELITE MEMBER
- Joined
- Jan 1, 2010
- Messages
- 46,973
- Reaction score
- 95
- Country
- Location
FO SHO ... 
Cant you see that we were having a nice discussion there?Please avoid getting in middle of it if you cant contribute positively.
Same old BS,everytime.Apart from Ramjet technology ...its Indian.
MilSpec
ELITE MEMBER
- Joined
- Feb 19, 2011
- Messages
- 12,931
- Reaction score
- 38
- Country
- Location
Absolutely, the superstructure, airframe, ramjet, all are derived from Russian ingenuity... But the seeker, navigational system, comm architecture was developed with India, thus giving brahmos the approach capability modes that you will not find in Yakhont.
As far as derivative iterations are concerned, Most chinese missiles like sd10 AAM has seeker derrived from Article 2db R77, or Klj 7 is derrived from the Zhuk Pesa, thus derrivative technology might not big of a sin as you are projecting.
Babur is not an antiship-missile, but most Land attack CM's have a anti-ship warhead, like the tomahawk, klub, Exocet, Brahmos, yakhont, KH55.. etc. So it would make sense to utilize existing technology of babur to adapt it to Anti ship role, as it retains crucial foriegn exchange and benefits Pakistani Defence production.
DESERT FIGHTER
ELITE MEMBER
- Joined
- Jan 1, 2010
- Messages
- 46,973
- Reaction score
- 95
- Country
- Location
Any links man? the most you did was change some softwares on an already existing russian missile... even now the specs of brahmos are almost similiar to yakhont...
A seeker based on russian seeker? yes the earlier sd-10s seeker was "speculated" to have a seeker based on the russian missile.
Jane's Defence Weekly(2010)
China's SD-10 claimed to be a dual-mode AAM.
Robert Hewson Jane's Air-Launched Weapons Editor - Zhuhai, China
China's SD-10 medium-range air-to-air missile (AAM), as exhibited at Airshow China earlier in November, may be a considerably more capable weapon than was hitherto believed, Jane's understands.
Officials from the SD-10's manufacturer, the Luoyang Electro-Optical Technology Development Center (LOEC), said the missile was designed from the beginning to function with a dual-mode seeker operating in distinct active and passive radar homing modes. If so, the SD-10 is the first AAM to enter service with this acknowledged capability.
There have been suggestions that the latest AIM-120D Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) developed by Raytheon for the US Air Force and Navy has a similar dual-mode seeker capability. The full capabilities of the AIM-120D remain classified, but its development has been problematic and it has yet to enter operational service.
The SD-10 - the current production version is the refined SD-10A - has been cleared for service on the Chengdu J-10 and late-model versions of the Shenyang J-8 combat aircraft. By the end of this year the missile is expected to be operational with the PAC JF-17s of the Pakistan Air Force.
In lengthy discussions with LOEC at the 16-21 November Airshow China exhibition, the operating modes of the SD-10A were set out to Jane's in detail. The missile has an active terminal homing capability, which has been openly described since the first details of the SD-10 were made public in the middle of the last decade.
What has remained unspoken until now is the missile's claimed ability to home in on radar or electronic warfare emissions from the target aircraft, without support from the launch aircraft or use of the missile's own active seeker modes.
A LOEC official told Jane's that the passive mode was not intended to be the missile's primary targeting mode and cited the risks to friendly aircraft of relying on passive guidance alone. It is not clear if the SD-10A's seeker can continually alternate between active and passive modes in flight or if it makes a less sophisticated 'one time' switch.
In the past, Russian sources have given Jane's a detailed account of the assistance supplied by Russian design bureaus in the development of the SD-10. A LOEC official hinted that this co-operation is continuing when he noted: "We [LOEC] have the capability to make the seeker ourselves, but obviously we want it to be the best it possibly can." He confirmed that the missile still relied on some unidentified components that were sourced outside China.
Within Russia the AGAT Design Bureau has developed several dual-mode seeker designs which it only began discussing in public in 2009. Senior AGAT officials have remained vague when asked by Jane's about who paid for these development programmes, noting only that there is no Russian application and no Russian state support for them.
During the 1990s China also gained access to the 9B-1032 passive seeker developed by Avtomatika for the Vympel R-27P (AA-10 'Alamo') AAM. A melding of these two design inputs might explain how China arrived at its SD-10 seeker design. According to a LOEC official, the dual-mode capability was designed into the SD-10 from its inception.
An SD-10A missile (underwing) is part of the weapons suite of a Pakistan Air Force JF-17 at November's Airshow China.
Same goes for KLJ-7 whose "basic design" was believer to be similiar to zhuk...
P.S: KLJ(V)7 is used on JF-17... And the SD-10 itself has evolved and even its "seeker" ... chinese have been working on BVR since the 90s...
MilSpec
ELITE MEMBER
- Joined
- Feb 19, 2011
- Messages
- 12,931
- Reaction score
- 38
- Country
- Location
So chinese technology can evolve, so can pakistani, but when it comes to India,- It must be just some software change...
So chinese technology can evolve, so can pakistani, but when it comes to India,- It must be just some software change...
Sure it can, the only problem is the MTCR restricted range which says otherwise.
Basel
ELITE MEMBER
- Joined
- Oct 31, 2013
- Messages
- 9,504
- Reaction score
- 2
- Country
- Location
Basically Indian ships will not just have to face subsonic missiles it will be a mix of supersonic & subsonic missiles & what people don't understand is that C-602 has been purchased to make sure IN can't launch Brahmos missiles so it means that they will have range of Chinese variant not the export variant because 2nd one just don't fulfill what PN want it for, which means that IN will have keep away from Karachi port at least 400+ km.
Do you really think that MTCR have ever restricted Pak-China Co-operation?? they have always found a way to get the job done.
Basically Indian ships will not just have to face subsonic missiles it will be a mix of supersonic & subsonic missiles & what people don't understand is that C-602 has been purchased to make sure IN can't launch Brahmos missiles so it means that they will have range of Chinese variant not the export variant because 2nd one just don't fulfill what PN want it for, which means that IN will have keep away from Karachi port at least 400+ km.
Do you really think that MTCR have ever restricted Pak-China Co-operation?? they have always found a way to get the job done.
I was referring to brahmos. And yes all the systems directly acquired from Chinamhave been mtcr restricted.
DESERT FIGHTER
ELITE MEMBER
- Joined
- Jan 1, 2010
- Messages
- 46,973
- Reaction score
- 95
- Country
- Location
So chinese technology can evolve, so can pakistani, but when it comes to India,- It must be just some software change...
Your examples are a fail... do some research on SD-10 and KLJ-7... meanwhile google and see what experts have to say about "downgraded produced under license yakhont"... oops brahmos.
rockstar08
BANNED
- Joined
- Sep 18, 2013
- Messages
- 11,096
- Reaction score
- -16
- Country
- Location
some Indians are taking the thread into wrong direction ...stick to topic ....
I have a question here , few months ago I read about PN having mounted anti ship defense system , which also use some Chinese missile , can somebody enlighten me on this ??
thanks in advance
I have a question here , few months ago I read about PN having mounted anti ship defense system , which also use some Chinese missile , can somebody enlighten me on this ??
thanks in advance
Imran Khan
PDF VETERAN
- Joined
- Oct 18, 2007
- Messages
- 68,815
- Reaction score
- 5
- Country
- Location
bach ke rehna re baba
rockstar08
BANNED
- Joined
- Sep 18, 2013
- Messages
- 11,096
- Reaction score
- -16
- Country
- Location
brother I really have no idea , but what I remember that its a tri-tube lauching system with some Chinese Anti-ship missile
bach ke rehna re baba
@DESERT FIGHTER this one I am talking about ..
MilSpec
ELITE MEMBER
- Joined
- Feb 19, 2011
- Messages
- 12,931
- Reaction score
- 38
- Country
- Location
Still doesn't answer why wouldn't PN use Babur, instead of this import?
Similar threads
Latest posts
-
Bajwa calls Bushra's allegations against Saudi Arabia 'baseless'
- Latest: Novus ordu seclorum
-
-
-
Pakistan Affairs Latest Posts
-
Bajwa calls Bushra's allegations against Saudi Arabia 'baseless'
- Latest: Novus ordu seclorum
-
-
-
-
