Pakistan Navy announces indigenous air defense missile project, selects LY-80N for new frigates

[YeBeWarned]

A better solution would be to focus some funds towards energy weapons (the principles of which are Not inherently difficult but basically required a lot of investment in already to miniaturize)

Sir one last question , more likely a clarification , are you talking about energy weapons like Rail-gun and lasers ? or some different system in terms of Air defense ?

it seems even USA has nt been able to complete its work on railgun and energy weapons yet, do you believe pakistan would able to do it?

Any country can do it if they put the right amount of resources both money and manpower in research & development , take turkey and China as example, their investments in various Projects either its 5th gen Fighter , Hisar series Sam , Anti ship missiles , or ECM systems all that will start to give its fruits in coming decade .

 

[SQ8]

Sir one last question , more likely a clarification , are you talking about energy weapons like Rail-gun and lasers ? or some different system in terms of Air defense ?



Any country can do it if they put the right amount of resources both money and manpower in research & development , take turkey and China as example, their investments in various Projects either its 5th gen Fighter , Hisar series Sam , Anti ship missiles , or ECM systems all that will start to give its fruits in coming decade .

Railguns arent essentially energy based systems because they still involve a projectile.

Energy systems are Lasers or Microwaves. It was doable for Pakistan to actually focus on R&D in this sector since unlike the Chinese we did have certain avenues open to educate some of our R&D base in this field.

 

[The Accountant]

Railguns arent essentially energy based systems because they still involve a projectile.

Energy systems are Lasers or Microwaves. It was doable for Pakistan to actually focus on R&D in this sector since unlike the Chinese we did have certain avenues open to educate some of our R&D base in this field.

Yes but these are still immature weapon systems and there are several issues unaddressed ...

note that Railgun and laser weapons are entirely different weapons in terms of use as well ... Railgun is an offensive weapon whereas laser weapon is a defensive weapon...

I am still doubtful that laser weapons will be able to replace the traditional air defences ... As of now laser weapons do not have any solution for over the horizon attack it means laser weapons will definitely have a very short reaction time for sea-skimming missile therefore in case of a saturation attack there is no solution as laser weapons need time to destroy electronics or to ignite the internal fuel of the missile... right now engineers are having difficulty in supporting single laser weapon on ships, therefore, I doubt in near future they cannot have more than two laser weapons on a destroyer size of ships hence ships will be highly vulnerable to saturation attack in case they solely rely on laser weapons ...

 

[SipahSalar]

The question is, how will these small boats find targets to shoot at 700kms away in open ocean?

This is the most important point. A lot of our frigates don't even have a radar equipped to shoot at such ranges.

 

[sohail.ishaque]

What about the Indian Expert. what does he think ? wo jis nai hamari chori pakar li thi

 

[MastanKhan]

lol an Australian expert? My point is how can people asses any info about Harbah missile when the there is no info released so far, the estimate of range is done due to Harbah link with the Babur family but if you look that the video released by Navy there is only booster phase and interception Phase portion of the test is released which means that the inflight mode of Harbah has not been released so that clearly tells that in flight mode of Harbah is different from Babur family. Again when the Harbah intercepts the sea based target the speed of intercept is very higher than what Babur family missiles uses to approach the target. So Harbah is myth for now until more info is available.

Hi,

People can assess it---because they specialize in that field---looking at the size of the object in question---the known engineering capabilities of the manufacturer and its vendors---they can come up very close to the actual performance of the equipment in question.

 

[Tank131]

In order to defend against a supersonic AShM you need to have a tiered or layered defense. Range is essential mostly because it buys you time. More than range however is number of weapons with high kill probability. You will likely need 2 missiles to ensure you are reliably knocking out incoming AShM at a significant clip. Hence why quadpacked medium range missiles are important. The systems need to work together and be automated. Longer range weapons like HQ-9 try first to take the missile at range, as it nears a volley of 2-3 medium ranged SAMs followed by a number of PDMs like FL-3000N. LAST line of defense is the CIWS like type 730 or 1130 which may prevent your ship from actually sinking. That is why fleet level defense is needed amd each major vessel needs medium range SAMs

 

[帅的一匹]

Umm was reading the details of Type 054A Frigate it mention 1x32 VLS cells in the frigate having HQ-16 missile isn't HQ-16 same LY-80?? so who selects LY-80? which is already there??

Type 054b will have 32 units of HQ16b/c and 24 units FL3000.

A game changer:

Looking at the kicking-*** caliber of this rail gun.

 

[syed_yusuf]

what is a rail gun, why it is so critical, and better?

 

[Army research]

what is a rail gun, why it is so critical, and better?

Search the question on google , you'll get a better in depth answer than people here

 

[帅的一匹]

LY80N

 

[graphican]

Sir I agree with you but the only thing that can be determined from this test was that it was a jet engine based missile not a rocket based missile because of the air intake coming out in the video and the range was assessed to be 700 km due to missiles ties to Babur family and I was the only one who suggested the range to be near 700 you can check the main thread on the missile so apart from that you cannot asses any thing about the missile. Harbah being a sea skimming missile is due to the fact that Pakistan has that technology. Herbah being a RADAR evading missile is due to the fact because Pakistan has that technology. Now the question is that it uses all that technology is just a speculation because it can be a totally different thing. Because we don't know how Harbah is acquiring a moving target.

Harbah could be a totally advance thing as well in terms of Navigation and Target acquiring.

Baidu satellite system will play a pivotal role in tracking sea based targets in Indian ocean.

Excellent questions. These so called 'experts' simply read good forums like Defence.com, and then put their own invented layer of 'Bull Shi.t' on top of it and become "expert analysts". What a joke.

I said in another post:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paki...-himmat-pakistan.536947/page-10#post-10141247

That is an excellent strategy. Small ships carrying 6 missiles are like a "sweet strength" which is potent yet not strategically too expensive to lose. 10+ of those tiny boats floating will ensure a good percentage of firepower is delivered at the target.