Pakistan Naval Aviation - Updated

[Areesh]

I was the Tactical Warfare Officer (TACCO / OBSERVER)
SAR specialist was the secondary role, like in the above picture handling the rescue hoist.

Thanks for your services Sir jee

 

[ziaulislam]

It was US tax payer paying for it app 900 million for p3s it's not there responsibility to find replacements anyway since independence hooked on aid, time to move on stop voting into office crooks and families and start paying taxes and becomes an economic power nothing can stop a country which is educated, eco power and can buy anything they want

This is the time to unite and next year elect right folks

Planes, guns, tanks etc are only tools but once reformed nation than real change will make pak a power

Lastly get rid of religion being used to divide as well as as a political means to stay / being in. Power

Blind faith does not mean anything knowledge is key [emoji360]

the deficit of PIA is 1/3rd of whole budget of PAF..how ironic
PIA has deficit of 450 million dollars this year with total liabilities now standing at 434 billion rupees
this is now available publically since they made it public company in 2016 instead of privatizing it

 

[fatman17]

The latest rumor (September 2017) claimed that an improved variant called Z-9E is under development which might carry a bigger anti-ship missile.

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

The latest rumor (September 2017) claimed that an improved variant called Z-9E is under development which might carry a bigger anti-ship missile.

Z-9D/9S Dauphin

The new Z-9D anti-ship variant prototype is shown here. Based on Z-9C, Z-9D was developed to carry up to 4 AShMs under a pair of detachable stub wings against small surface targets. The missile could be the new YJ-9, which may have been evolved from the earlier TL-10B developed by Hongdu. TL-10B is a light, radar-guided anti-ship missile used against smaller FACs and gun boats (<1,000t). Its range is 15km, speed is Mach 0.85 and its warhead weighs 30kg. The helicopter features a new fire-control radar (KLC-3B) with embedded IFF antennas installed in a bigger nose cone and the weapon control officer is seated in the rear cabin. RWR antennas are installed on both sides of the nose and the tail rotor. The helicopter could provide target coordinates to the surface ship via datalink so that the later could launch YJ-83 AShM for over-the-horizon attack. This anti-ship variant has been seen stationed onboard the new Type 056/056A FFGs. Two prototypes (001 & 002) were built. Currently Z-9Ds are in service with PLAN (S/N 97x6, 98x6, 94x7). At least two Z-9Ds (Z-9S? S/N 370 & 371) have been converted to the SAR role with a nose mounted EO turret and a search light. It also has a hoist installed on the starboard side. Both helicopters are stationed onboard the aircraft carrier Liaoning. Additional Z-9Ss have been built with emergency buoy launchers under its rear fuselage (S/N 84x0x). The latest rumor (September 2017) claimed that an improved variant called Z-9E is under development which might carry a bigger anti-ship missile.

 

[fatman17]

https://twitter.com/x/status/953355482047107072

 

[Blue Marlin]

PN has all Sea Kings (6) rigged for ASW & ASV + SAR.
3 additional SKs are rigged for SAR

QEAF SKs are only rigged for ASV & SAR.

So if we get QEAF SKs (hypothetical), the tasking could be as:

6 x ASW
6 X ASV
6 X SAR
3 X Transport + Ferry

if im not mistaken pakistan has 6 seakings in service with a further 5 purchased and enroute to pakistan from the uk making the total to 11.

Qatar has 12 seakings bringing the total number 23 now obviously some would be cannibalised for parts as was two sea king's purchased from us. reducing the number further to about 18 ish. my end point being i dont think you have factored cannibalising Qatari seakings into your final tally.
below is a link showing Qatari seaking and their s/n's, just for general use, something you may like.
https://www.helis.com/database/model/72/cn?filc=QA


below are 3 of the 5 seakings being sent to pakistan, what purpose will the yellow chopper in the middle serve and what purpose will the outer two serve, iv'e noticed they have adopted the older dark green colour scheme? will some of these be re-purposed to fire exocet missiles?

Pakistan has had these choppers since 1974 which is a great achievement and a testament to British engineering and Pakistani maintenance but how much life is left on these choppers?

Me during an SAR mission,

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Cool stuff

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

That is some high quality paint/cleanup overhaul work on these machines looks brand new

Adding more Sea King is not a bad idea , fairly useful platform both for missions and rescue at sea

 

[Advocate Pakistan]

PN has all Sea Kings (6) rigged for ASW & ASV + SAR.
3 additional SKs are rigged for SAR

QEAF SKs are only rigged for ASV & SAR.

So if we get QEAF SKs (hypothetical), the tasking could be as:

6 x ASW
6 X ASV
6 X SAR
3 X Transport + Ferry

So at present the PN Sea Kings are sort of a multi-role platform.
Going by the method you mentioned of assigning different roles to the units of the fleet what benefit would it be to specialise the roles.
I am asking whether it would be more cost effective and efficient in a tactical situation since I believe a multi-role platform is always good for our requirements.
I may be wrong and hence the query.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Thats what I always say in aviation pages that the 3 services should streamline requirements and make a multi-role medium or light helo.

So at present the PN Sea Kings are sort of a multi-role platform.
Going by the method you mentioned of assigning different roles to the units of the fleet what benefit would it be to specialise the roles.
I am asking whether it would be more cost effective and efficient in a tactical situation since I believe a multi-role platform is always good for our requirements.
I may be wrong and hence the query.

 

[Advocate Pakistan]

Thats what I always say in aviation pages that the 3 services should streamline requirements and make a multi-role medium or light helo.

Agree, we should have atleast two programs one for a 4 ton helicopter and another for around 10 ton helicopter for all the services. The Turkish 10 ton helicopter project seems a good way to jump into the bandwagon.
What's your take on that?

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

We could certainly do a JV if they dont have any parts that are sanction prone. If the upcoming TAI helo has shared parts with ATAK that will be icing on the cake. It would also help PAC get in game of making helos. We also could market it jointly and make money together.
From the pictures it does look like a promising design rivaling nh90. We could also go for chinese Black Hawk if it is good enough.

JVs or own indiginous production should be major target especially in aviation, land vehicles and to some extent naval vessels. The small things we can easily source from different nations.

Agree, we should have atleast two programs one for a 4 ton helicopter and another for around 10 ton helicopter for all the services. The Turkish 10 ton helicopter project seems a good way to jump into the bandwagon.
What's your take on that?

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

So at present the PN Sea Kings are sort of a multi-role platform.
Going by the method you mentioned of assigning different roles to the units of the fleet what benefit would it be to specialise the roles.
I am asking whether it would be more cost effective and efficient in a tactical situation since I believe a multi-role platform is always good for our requirements.
I may be wrong and hence the query.

The SK can be configured for ASW or ASV, one role at a time, not simultaneously.
To change this role some equipment has to be removed and some added. It takes time and a maintenance setup to perform it.

So it would be easy that aircraft are assigned specialized roles, so this change over time isn't required.

 

[Advocate Pakistan]

The SK can be configured for ASW or ASV, one role at a time, not simultaneously.
To change this role some equipment has to be removed and some added. It takes time and a maintenance setup to perform it.

So it would be easy that aircraft are assigned specialized roles, so this change over time isn't required.

Okay, understand your point now. In that case PN should push for the Pakistani government to convince the Qataris.

 

[Human One]

below are 3 of the 5 seakings being sent to pakistan, what purpose will the yellow chopper in the middle serve and what purpose will the outer two serve, iv'e noticed they have adopted the older dark green colour scheme? will some of these be re-purposed to fire exocet missiles?

The search and rescue variants operated by the RAF had yellow colour schemes. See this https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sea_King_HAR3_XZ585_at_RIAT_2010_arp.jpg

The outer two in green are Westland Commandos and are described here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westland_Sea_King#Commando_and_further_developments

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Green ones could potentially be for SSGN.
Or they could simply be repainted.