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Pakistan minister vows to revise blasphemy law

You know the saying" danda pir mushtanda"?
That is what JI has. Plus they are all robots. They will
do what they are told. 1977 is a perfect example.
I dont think media exposure is going to do much.

These JI tards were also the first to not recognize Pakistan when it was created and were actually against its creation from the start. Their left side of the brain does not function properly.
 
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Editorial: For and against Blasphemy Law

In the aftermath of the death-in-custody of the blasphemy-accused Fanish Masih in Sialkot, the Governor of Punjab, Mr Salmaan Taseer, has courageously called for the repeal of the infamous law targeting the minorities in general and the Christian community in particular. He was echoing the demand being made by protesters in Lahore reacting to the cruel thrashing Christian protesters were given by the police in Sialkot.

Fanish Masih was found dead in his cell. The police say he committed suicide, but the question for all of us to consider is that Masih was kept in solitary confinement even after the police knew prima facie that the charge against him was concocted. Also, there was confusion all around springing from a conflation of blasphemy with desecration of the Holy Quran. Masih himself must have been sure that he was in a trap where his death was certain.

The sheer negative jurisprudence of the Blasphemy Law shocks the rational person and instils despair in the accused. Yet, the Pakistani mind is divided over details that are accepted by all as shameful to the pride of the nation, equating Pakistanis with backward Nigeria where blasphemy laws have killed hundreds so far, tragically, in imitation of Pakistan. The irrationality of the public attitude came to the fore when the federal minister for religious affairs, Allama Hamid Kazmi, was asked to react to Governor Taseer’s call for the repeal of the law.

Mr Kazmi was grieved by the Sialkot violence against unprotected Christians but was determined to defend the Blasphemy Law. His case was of a piece with the one made by the conservative Urdu press and the clergy. He assumed that blasphemy occurred in Pakistan and that no Muslim could collude with it by removing the deterrence of law. But the facts were ignored by him. The truth is that there is no blasphemy proved in Pakistan so far, except in the lower courts where mobs carrying weapons force the judge to hand down death.

Any society free of extremism would grasp this fact. Why should a law be enforced in a society where no one can actually blaspheme? And what does it mean that after the promulgation of the law, blasphemy actually raises its ugly head? Hundreds of cases have gone up from the grassroots courts to the higher judiciary where the accused has been let off, except for cases such as the one regarding a woman of unsettled mind who is being recommended for mental asylum after a lifetime in jail.

In May this year, 500 clerics stormed a court in Lahore’s Mustafabad when a judge bailed out Munir Masih and his wife for keeping a Holy Quran in their home. The victims insisted they had kept it for spiritual protection and out of devotion; but the accusation was that they were unclean as a community and therefore the Holy Quran was defiled. Later the charge was changed from desecration to blasphemy, after which the court was assaulted.

In April this year, the Supreme Court rejected an appeal against a Federal Shariat Court ruling that death is the only punishment under Islamic law for blasphemy. This is what the victim knows when he is framed and put in solitary confinement in jail: he is going to die either sentenced by a scared sessions judge or killed by the police during the remand.

The Council for Islamic Ideology recommended in 2006 that blasphemy cases be registered with the High Court and that high officials free of local blackmail be appointed as investigators, but nothing has happened. Both the mainstream parties want the law repealed. Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani in his memoir complains that Nawaz Sharif as prime minister wanted to change the Blasphemy Law but Ms Bhutto did not help him in parliament. Later Ms Bhutto returned to power in 1993 and wanted to change the law but this time Nawaz Sharif did not help.

The PPP and the PMLN are busy fighting their other less worthy battles in parliament, but if they had the wellbeing of the country at heart they could have joined hands to repeal the Blasphemy Law and then faced up to the extremist backlash just as the country is finally confronting the terrorism of the Taliban. There is no other way to tell the killers of our Christian community that they have to stop this horrible pastime. *

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 
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Bravo Asim.. well said, when i recently got my new Passport it was baffling to see that i had to agree to silly terms like these

DECLARATION IN CASE OF MUSLIM.
I, ___________s/d/w/of___________aged _______adult Muslim, resident of __________ hereby solemnly declare that:

a. I am a Muslim and believe in the absolute and unqualified finality of the Prophethood of Muhammad (peace be upon
him) the last of the prophets.

b. I do not recognize any person who claims to he prophet in any sense of the word or of any description whatsoever after
Muhammad (peace be upon him) or recognize such a claimant as prophet or a religious reformer as a Muslim.

c. I consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Quadiani to be an impostor nabi and also consider his followers whether belonging to
the Lahori or Quadiani group, to be NON-MUSLIM.
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Like seriously what the hell is this, how would a non-muslim feel filling up the application form. A second class citizen? not only is it stupid its just illogical

Yeah - the new passports were initially not supposed to have a section related to religion at all, and the MMA threw a fit, and Musharraf caved into them since he needed their political backing.
 
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yes it's should be abolished totally doesn't do any good and it's just an excuse used by mullahs to terrorize minorities.
 
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Guess who promulgated these laws??? Hint: this dictator was patronized by uncle Sam for over a decade! received standing ovation in the US congress.....makes you wonder!

Why is it necessary to bring the USA into this. You cannot possibly believe that the USA believes that blasphemy laws are a good idea, no matter who leads Pakistan. So why add this flame bait to the thread? It doesn't belong and you know it. :usflag: :pakistan:
 
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Unfortunately, the Jamatis will not let this happen.Damn those idiots who think this law is islamic.
 
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It doesn't belong and you know it. :usflag: :pakistan:

uncle sam just stood by & put all their weight behind that General.
thanks to him, we , growing up were deprived to see what democracy is. Just Imagine. US always bets on the wrong horse.

BTW, I am back in the US. just too lazy to change my flag thingy.
I have great respect for the american people. very hard working, honest & caring despite some bad apples that everyone has. My loyalty , first & foremost, is to its people. I do have to agree with the government policies. And yes, I believe in a short time nobama will turn US into a 3rd world country.
While you may disagree with what I ve said earlier, do appreciate the fact that I am fully integrated, committed to the land I live in but have my own POV based on what I ve seen.
 
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we , growing up were deprived to see what democracy is. Just Imagine. US always bets on the wrong horse.

What you say here is typical of a people who will not take responsibility for their own decisions. What did you expect the USA to do? MEDDLE in Pakistani affairs! Then you would have complained that the USA was meddling. NO! General Zia was PAKISTAN"s creation, not the USA's. YOU are responsible for General Zia, NOT the USA. I am so tired of such infantile lack of responsibility. Pakistan's society nurtured and validated General Zia. Leave the USA out of it, if you dare to have any courage to face the facts.
 
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well lets not blame the americans for this one it has nothing to do with USA they never asked us to make this law nor are they preventing us from getting rid of it it was pakistan which implemented it in the first place and pakistanis which are opposed to getting rid of it.It's a silly law and is only ever used to harm minorities it should be scrapped period.
 
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Like seriously what the hell is this, how would a non-muslim feel

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DECLARATION IN CASE OF MUSLIM.


That one is only for Muslims.

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Pakistan would not permit misuse of blasphemy law -President Zardari​


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President Asif Ali Zardari has said that the Pakistan government would ensure that the blasphemy law was not misused against anyone and those doing so are brought to justice. He said this while talking to Rowan Williams the Archbishop of Canterbury who called on him here today.

Later briefing the journalists about the meeting, the spokesperson to the President former Senator Farhatullah Babar said that the Archbishop raised the issue of recent acts of violence against the Christians in Gojra and other towns in the Punjab.

The President said that he and the government had strongly condemned the incidents of violence against members of the Christian community and had ordered the immediate arrest of those involved in the heinous crime and to bring them to justice. The President assured the Archbishop that the culprits will be brought to justice.

The President also informed the Archbishop that immediately upon learning of the incident he had despatched the federal minister for Minorities Affairs to the affected villages to convey his condolences and sympathy to the victims’ families and to assess the damage and coordinate efforts for bringing the culprits to book.

He said the federal minister stayed with the victims’ families for several days and submitted a report to the government in the light of which strong action was initiated.

Dr Williams commended the government of Pakistan for taking swift action by announcing compensation to the victims’ families and ordering a probe into the incidents.

President Zardari further said that the PPP government was committed to promote interfaith harmony and informed the Archbishop that Pakistan had pioneered a resolution in the UN calling for interfaith harmony.

The government had also decided to establish an interfaith centre in the country, he added.

The President also said that the government was conscious of the misuse of blasphemy law in the country by extremist elements and also by vested interests and would not permit misuse of the law.

Farhatullah Babar quoted the President as saying the government viewed the misuse of blasphemy law with serious concern and was conscious of the need to urgently address the issue in consultation with other political parties, the civil society and members of minority communities in the country.

The government will endeavour to seek a broad based political consensus on the issue and that the government will also consult the major political parties, he added.

The President said that no one will be permitted to hound members of minorities in the name of religion.

Farhatullah Babar said that there was a constructive discussion and an agreement on the fundamental importance of mutual respect between religions and the responsibility of the governments to ensure safety of all citizens regardless of their religious beliefs.

The President said that the commitment of PPP can be seen from the fact that sometime back it supported procedural amendments in the law to check its misuse even when a hostile government opposed to the PPP had proposed the amendments.

He further stated that the Party was then criticized by obscurantist elements for supporting a legislative move by the government of the day but it went ahead with it in the light of its egalitarian and progressive outlook and its Manifesto commitment to protect minorities and bring them into the mainstream of national life.

Dr Williams proposed discussion about how best the Christian and Muslim communities in UK and Pakistan could be engaged for promoting religious harmony. He also commended the work of the Christian Muslim forum.

The President invited Archbishop to visit Pakistan with a delegation comprising of the representatives of the Archbishop and the British Muslim community.

The Archbishop also condoled with President Zardari the assassination of Shaheed Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto. He said, “I pray that her death will not be in vain and that Pakistan will emerge from the present troubles to take place as an example of a nation in which all are safe and respected”.

The Archbishop also thanked the President for meeting him and prayed for the people of Pakistan especially at this time of Ramadan and the coming Eid.​




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Reference:
President Zardari with Bishop of Canterbury
 
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U r right. 2012 really is the age of aquarius. The correct interpretation of mayan prophecy is " change" not dooms day. It will be interesting though.

As for me I do believe we are living in end times. Orthodox jews say the world is supposed to last 6 centuries. This is the 6th century for them & very near to the end.
Isaac newton wrote a letter in which he siad that doomsday is around 2070. The letter was found 2 years ago & is in the Vatican. A Physicist & a muslim scholar from isloo wrote a book ( 1993) showing planetary movements etc. He suggest around 2050.

Allah knows best ( the exact time)but like I said we are living in very peculiar times.
INTERESTING - How about another head, 'ENDTIMES' and lets hear your thoughts on that from the perspectives of the Legacy Faiths and Modern Science, which is no less a Faith for some.

And we will join you there.
 
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What you say here is typical of a people who will not take responsibility for their own decisions. What did you expect the USA to do? MEDDLE in Pakistani affairs! Then you would have complained that the USA was meddling. NO! General Zia was PAKISTAN"s creation, not the USA's. YOU are responsible for General Zia, NOT the USA. I am so tired of such infantile lack of responsibility. Pakistan's society nurtured and validated General Zia. Leave the USA out of it, if you dare to have any courage to face the facts.


TS, I actually feel sorry for you! And that is only due to your lack of knowledge, nothing personal.!
What you do not realize is the level of uncle sam's meddeling.
One of the main reason pakistani people do not like the us "government" is its policies, heavy handedness & interference.
The 1977 movement by religious parties against Bhutto was partly funded by our state dept! This is actually very old news. The ex ISI dude who wrote the book "profiles of intelligence" 3-4 yrs ago
was a few decades late to break the news.

The political activities of the US Staff in Pakistan are hardly a news.
The reason Zaradri is now the Prez is actually due to & with the patronage of the US. the whole world knows he is corrupt & disliked. You speak of Pakistani people taking responsibility: when were they even given the chance to speak up?

Zia was nurtured by the West. Surely he received support from the masses but not everyone. The referendum he held was bogus. I recall my cousin, who was a government servant at the time went to cast his vote. He was told not to worry about it as it had already been cast on his behalf !!!!


I can understand that being an american, you would take offense to someone accusing the US government of constant meddling. That is obviously you sense of patriotism & such & I can completely respect that. You have to understand that reality is different. Governments do not reflect the moral values of its citizens.

You will learn that real worked is very very different. reality is a ***** & hard to some to accept. I remeber this reporter on your Fox new. Cant place his name. This is prior to Pakistan having given commitment for the WOT. So the anchor is wondering if Pak will support the WOT on not. This reporter( one of your own( I guess that should make him more credible?)) Say this" Countries like Pakistn can not have independent foreign policy. It cannot have interests that conflicts with that of USA. "Feel free to rewind FN on your Tivo & have a listen.

I recall this thing that my very secular uncle used to say ( I was abut 12 or so) Amrika Badshah, meaning that USA is the King.

I have no problem with you not agreeing with me but In any case, lets move on to the subject!
 
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INTERESTING - How about another head, 'ENDTIMES' and lets hear your thoughts on that from the perspectives of the Legacy Faiths and Modern Science, which is no less a Faith for some.

And we will join you there.

Well, I dot go by modern science in the matters of eschatology as they are irrelevant.I mosty confine my self to the 3 monotheistic religion & only know of mayan prophecy as a fried of mine was going on & on about it.
I do believe that the destiny of muslims & christans is the same but they just dont know it yet!:pakistan::usflag:
 
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Well, I dot go by modern science in the matters of eschatology as they are irrelevant.I mosty confine my self to the 3 monotheistic religion & only know of mayan prophecy as a fried of mine was going on & on about it.
I do believe that the destiny of muslims & christans is the same but they just dont know it yet!:pakistan::usflag:
Well then go by what you do go by -don't touch Science even with a ten footer pole, but let's have it up there what you know and think.
It should make quite an interesting read across the spectrum.
Just for info - Science now is reaching for the crutch of FAITH to make any sense out of the weird phenomenon thrown up by its own observations of the macro and the micro that cannot be explained away any other way. :coffee:
 
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yeah but you do know that JI etc wont let it happen.
You cannot get bail at all PERIOD, if you get booked
under these laws. Mens rea is not a requirement
in offences committed under these laws.

People have abused these laws to grab land & property against just
about everyone. These laws apply to muslims , not just minorities.

Guess who promulgated these laws??? Hint: this dictator was patronized by uncle Sam for over a decade! received standing ovation in the US congress.....makes you wonder!


Forget about the dictator he is long dead. Many democratic governments have been there no one tried honestly to look into the matter.

If the JI or other political parties do not have much political infulence.

The main thing is the government should be firm in its decision.


There should be equal law which could punish those who level false blasphemy accusations.

There should be DEATH penalty for false accusations only then there must be some balance.
 
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