Pakistan Military options in Kashmir today - a perspective

[YeBeWarned]

There never was a window.

There was not just a window but many in past as well , 1965 if Kashmiri's didn't betrayed Pakistan Army and yes I did use the word Betrayed because my soldiers died because of them . If Kashmiri's than rise up , and help PA results could bring or Force India to make a decision over Kashmir , or for the least Pakistan can/will/would have capture some major Cities and people from there can declared independence .

In 1999 at the height of Kargil there was little to no support from Kashmiri's , in fact i do heard from some Indians claiming that Kashmiri's once again Provide vital intelligence to IA forces to focus their advances . and than similar to that they could take 27th Conflict as excuse to rile up massive protests , crowds and even ambushes but failed to do so, and since August as per they are living without basic services and valley has been turned into a Prison . What are they waiting for ? Gibrael AS to come and help them ?

Kashmir issues has been settled , India took the J&K in and we have AJK .. We should declare AJK as a province of Pakistan and be done with it . Every Passing day India is strengthening its position over J&K and until a Syrian level Civil war erupts there nothing is gonna change .

 

[Areesh]

British Military Review of the 1965 War

"the inhabitants of the valley, noted more for the beauty of their women, than the martial valour of their men, did not revolt"

Apparently same is happening this time too

The people from the valley didn't learn sh!t from people of Poonch or GB

 

[Goku]

There was not just a window but many in past as well , 1965 if Kashmiri's didn't betrayed Pakistan Army and yes I did use the word Betrayed because my soldiers died because of them . If Kashmiri's than rise up , and help PA results could bring or Force India to make a decision over Kashmir , or for the least Pakistan can/will/would have capture some major Cities and people from there can declared independence .

In 1999 at the height of Kargil there was little to no support from Kashmiri's , in fact i do heard from some Indians claiming that Kashmiri's once again Provide vital intelligence to IA forces to focus their advances . and than similar to that they could take 27th Conflict as excuse to rile up massive protests , crowds and even ambushes but failed to do so, and since August as per they are living without basic services and valley has been turned into a Prison . What are they waiting for ? Gibrael AS to come and help them ?

Tbh best chance for Pakistan to regain Kashmir was in 90s at the height of the insurgency. Situation was in complete mess. I seriously dont know how did we hold on to it.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Apparently same is happening this time too

The people from the valley didn't learn sh!t from people of Poonch or GB

Ever wonder how a Hindu Raja could rule over J&K region for so long ? There is little to no will of resistance or Fight in Kashmiri's , the ones on our side were brave which like every ethnicity has their share , but millions of J&K resident has submitted to their new Master . No one is going to fight for them unless they themselves start the fire, They are not Jews and we are not MOSES PBUH, where they could tell us that we will stay here you and your God can go and fight for us .

 

[S.Y.A]

Tbh best chance for Pakistan to regain Kashmir was in 90s at the height of the insurgency. Complete situation was in mess. I seriously dont know how did we hold on to it.

we didnt have the military means due to sanctions and arm embargoes. also, corrupt govt played a big role in this.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Tbh best chance for Pakistan to regain Kashmir was in 90s at the height of the insurgency. Complete situation was in mess. I seriously dont know how did we hold on to it.

Again you are not seeing the point, Kashmiri's want Azaadi , for us yes its a important part of land but for Kashmiri its more important , so why they are not standing up to their Invaders ? Pakistan can not defeat hundreds of thousands of India soldiers without collateral Damage is been inflicted on local population, and if we indiscriminately start bombing than we lost the purpose right ? Cant bomb the people we want to liberate .

 

[Goku]

we didnt have the military means due to sanctions and arm embargoes. also, corrupt govt played a big role in this.

We were in a bigger mess , this insurgency plus on verge of bankruptcy plus our biggest ally Soviet Union collapsing plus a weak coalition government at the centre.

 

[S.Y.A]

Ever wonder how a Hindu Raja could rule over J&K region for so long ? There is little to no will of resistance or Fight in Kashmiri's , the ones on our side were brave which like every ethnicity has their share , but millions of J&K resident has submitted to their new Master . No one is going to fight for them unless they themselves start the fire, They are not Jews and we are not MOSES PBUH, where they could tell us that we will stay here you and your God can go and fight for us .

mentality of people is different everywhere, that is no excuse to not do your part. and since you quoting Muslim figures and the like, here is some Islam for you: "
And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of Allah and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, "Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?"" Surah Nisa, verse 75.
Islam does not place the responsibility on the oppressed, it does so on the powerful. to fight for those people.

 

[Areesh]

Ever wonder how a Hindu Raja could rule over J&K region for so long ? There is little to no will of resistance or Fight in Kashmiri's , the ones on our side were brave which like every ethnicity has their share , but millions of J&K resident has submitted to their new Master . No one is going to fight for them unless they themselves start the fire, They are not Jews and we are not MOSES PBUH, where they could tell us that we will stay here you and your God can go and fight for us .

Kashmiri police that composes of locals is still working in the same manner as it was working before 5 August 2019. Not a single case of fratricide. Compare that to Afghans. Dozens of American soldiers have died in attacks by ANA soldiers in green on green attacks. They are working as rigorously as they were working before 5 August to support occupation

The normal citizens are more interested in peace than fighting for freedom. Ask any random Kashmiri and most of them would say that they want "peace". You can't have peace if you want freedom from a powerful and ruthless occupation like India


You can't sit in homes and then expect that soldiers from Karachi, Lahore, Peshawar and Quetta would die to get you your freedom

We were in a bigger mess , this insurgency plus on verge of bankruptcy plus our biggest ally Soviet Union collapsing plus a weak coalition government at the centre.

You still had muftis and abdullahs and traitors like Kashmiri police to help you out of that mess

 

[S.Y.A]

We were in a bigger mess , this insurgency plus on verge of bankruptcy plus our biggest ally Soviet Union collapsing plus a weak coalition government at the centre.

same here, the govt were strong, but they were corrupt to the core. afghanistan was volatile back then as well. the mujahideen parties were ripping each other apart. and we simply had no money.

 

[YeBeWarned]

mentality of people is different everywhere, that is no excuse to not do your part. and since you quoting Muslim figures and the like, here is some Islam for you: "
And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of Allah and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, "Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?"" Surah Nisa, verse 75.
Islam does not place the responsibility on the oppressed, it does so on the powerful. to fight for those people.

Here comes the Champion .. No one give Muhammad pbuh and his followers Mecca in a platter they take it by themselves, And we are not Our Lords beloved neither are Kashmiri's to expect Gibrael to bring 1000000 Angels to fight for them, Islamic concept of Fight and struggle start when 1) You are been prosecuted 2)Your people are been killed or tortured 3) your properties are taken 4) No Justice for you 5) Your women's dignity has been compromised 6) They are not allowing you to follow your religion ..

Almost all of these things has been done in Kashmir and yet they are waiting for Pakistan to fight and when we do, they betray us .. You do know What Muhammad Pbuh did to those who betrayed him in Uhud ?

 

[S.Y.A]

Kashmiri police that composes of locals is still working in the same manner as it was working before 5 August 2019. Not a single case of fratricide. Compare that to Afghans. Dozens of American soldiers have died in attacks by ANA soldiers in green on green attacks. They are working as rigorously as they were working before 5 August to support occupation

The normal citizens are more interested in peace than fighting for freedom. Ask any random Kashmiri and most of them would say that they want "peace". You can't have peace if you want freedom from a powerful and ruthless occupation like India


You can't sit in hom

what a shame. such blind nationalism and lack of empathy.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Kashmiri police that composes of locals is still working in the same manner as it was working before 5 August 2019. Not a single case of fratricide. Compare that to Afghans. Dozens of American soldiers have died in attacks by ANA soldiers in green on green attacks. They are working as rigorously as they were working before 5 August to support occupation

Afghans never let anyone else ruled them, its one thing they have my respect for .. Yes most of them are been ruled but good amount of Afghans never stopped resisting the invaders, same can't be said for Kashmiri's . But In fact when Pakistan and America help Afghans they took it and they drive USSR out of their Country, When same Pakistan Goes to war with India and try to help Kashmiri's same people caught and handed our soldiers to IA ..

The normal citizens are more interested in peace than fighting for freedom. Ask any random Kashmiri and most of them would say that they want "peace". You can't have peace if you want freedom from a powerful and ruthless occupation like India

If they wanted peace under the Sanghi Rule, than Congratulations to them, They got it ..

You can't sit in homes and then expect that soldiers from Karachi, Lahore, Peshawar and Quetta would die to get you your freedom

It Ok to Die in war, if your country goes to war and our soldiers from our cities die than no issue .. but what's worse is that the people we are dying for is handing our soldiers to the enemy .. Our captured soldiers were taken Prisoners and humiliated ..

 

[S.Y.A]

Here comes the Champion .. No one give Muhammad pbuh and his followers Mecca in a platter they take it by themselves, And we are not Our Lords beloved neither are Kashmiri's to expect Gibrael to bring 1000000 Angels to fight for them, Islamic concept of Fight and struggle start when 1) You are been prosecuted 2)Your people are been killed or tortured 3) your properties are taken 4) No Justice for you 5) Your women's dignity has been compromised 6) They are not allowing you to follow your religion ..

Almost all of these things has been done in Kashmir and yet they are waiting for Pakistan to fight and when we do, they betray us .. You do know What Muhammad Pbuh did to those who betrayed him in Uhud ?

First, your history is clearly wrong. you can compare the state of Madinah to Pakistan, but you cannot compare state of Madinah to the occupied kashmiris, they arent independent. btw what did the Holy PRophet do while he was in Makkah? did he ever start a rebellion while in Makkah? or did he fight when he and the Muslims had a state? your history is seriously flawed.

Secondly, the Ayah quoted above does not promise Angels. It admonishes the people with means to do more for people who are oppressed. and not the other way round. It reminds you of your duty.

Thirdly, 300 munafiqun turned back, none of them was punished. your history, again, is flawed.

 

[Areesh]

what a shame. such blind nationalism and lack of empathy.

There is no blind nationalism here. These are facts

I don't want to see my soldiers dying in freezing cold peaks of Kashmir while Kashmiris sit inside their homes