Pakistan media declare war on Indian counterparts

[smeaglegolum]

Heera Lal and Amar Singh...... This was told to Zaid Hamid by his credible INDIAN INTELLIGENCE resources..............

It would have been nice if he told the names as Heera Lal and Panna Lal

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Ziad hamid's theories aside, the point raised in this article, of the Indian media going overboard and actually vitiating the atmosphere, and possibly even tying their own governments hands in terms of the sort of response Indians may expect, is a very valid one.

As I mentioned elsewhere, the Indian media has gone bonkers. We have one theory after another, one set of 'confessions' after another, all based on 'reliable intelligence sources, being issued and contradicted by another set of 'theories and confessions'.

Heck, Pakistani connections were being bandied about before it was even possible to have interrogated the chap. So yes, the Indian media has been highly irresponsible and inflammatory in this particular incident.

 

[smeaglegolum]

Yes, Indeed Indian media has gone bonkers. I'm for one disappointed with their standards. They were giving away all the information about operations which were being watched by terrorists.

Regarding the stories about the confessions made by the captured terrorist, they have really gone overboard. The problem here is, the media has become very competitive in India (I guess anywhere around 40-50 news channels), every one wants to break the news first, sensationalize and in this hurry they catch hold of some source and just parrot same things with some 'masala' added without verifying the facts.

But then when you give free hand to the media, this what happens. I think there should be some authority to overlook these news channels and setting up some standards and guidelines on what is allowed and not allowed.

 

[Flintlock]

I think the Indian media have done a great job overall. The hindi channels tend to be melodramatic and sensational, but that will mature over time.

On the other hand, Pakistani TV channels seemed to be filling up their slots with recordings from Indian media channels, and their criticism of it - a rather strange way of presenting the news.

Let me remind you that Pakistani TV channels are far, far worse in this regard. People like Zaid Hamid are living proof of this, and I've seen the so-called "better" channels like Geo. They suck.
However, none of the Indian channels seem obsessed with the nonsense being spewed on Pakistani TV.

 

[dabong1]

It was really funny that, Zaid Hamid also gave a name to the captured terrorist. IIRC, it was Ram or Rakesh singh and he was a sikh, and his accomplice name was Heera Lal. And the source is, guess what, his insiders in Indian intelligence agency. Wonderful, I couldn't stop laughing at this antics.LOL

Whats even funniers is the indian story of the terrorist being called Ajmal Amir Kamal who is a resident of Faridkot, Multan in Pakistan.

When are we going to hear a couple of fake stories about some indian black cat commander major who "with 1 shot killed two terrorist and then jumped on a bomb and saved the lives of all the hostages".

Give it 6 months and there will some bollywood film about the whole thing.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Flint:

"far worse" is subjective.

While you can point at specific anchor's such as Zahid Hamid and Hamid Mir as being 'overboard', what we have seen in the Indian media in this particular incident is the entire institution of the media throw every shred of objectivity and journalistic responsibility into the toilet.

I'd say the Pakistani media did the same with the Lal masjid coverage, and in the coverage of the war in FATA. I myself criticize Hamid Mir no end for his refusal to see the facts on the ground in FATA, but in this particular thread the focus is on the Indian media's coverage.

Especially when the context was Indo-Pak terrorism, the rush to air and publish all manner of conspiracies and theories based on questionable sources, and then publish a set of contradicting stories, and then repeat ... you would think they should have realized their mistakes the first time it happened.

Smeagle:

Restrictions on the media will never work, especially in South Asia, since the politicians are just waiting to take advantage of such moves to stifle criticism and coverage of their corruption and mismanagement.

The Governments can help through funding training and education, setting up journalism and media institutions, and possibly sponsoring education abroad initiatives. The media only has itself to blame, and it has to learn to mature and act responsibly.

 

[T-Rex]

http://www.hindu.com/2008/12/01/stories/2008120155891300.htm​

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Indian media accused of not demanding for evidence
“They are overcommitted to projecting India as a success story”


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ISLAMABAD: The escalating tensions between India and Pakistan over the Mumbai attacks have led to the declaration of hostilities in unexpected quarters – Pakistani media has declared a virtual war on Indian media for its “knee-jerk” finger-pointing across the border, and its unquestioning acceptance of the Indian government’s “Pakistan-link” theory.
Most Pakistanis are angry and upset about the Indian allegations, which they believe are “unsubstantiated”. Even the Indian government, whose highest officials have made the allegation in unambiguous terms, have not come in for as much flak as the messenger, the assumption being that governments will say what they have to, but it is the duty of the media to question.
Leading the charge against the India media are the Pakistani television channels, with panel discussions shows devoted exclusively to the coverage of the Mumbai attacks by the Indian media.
Even on talk shows about the impact of the attacks on the relations between the two countries, among the first questions that anchors are shooting off are: “Do you think the India media should have pointed a finger at Pakistan within such a short time, and without any evidence? Why do we see this knee-jerk response every time some terrorist incident takes place in India?”
Overshadowed


One of the big successes of the peace process since 2004 was the greater understanding and camaraderie between the media of the two countries, thanks to frequent interactions. But the smoke and gunfire of Mumbai has overshadowed even that.
Top Pakistani journalists are asking why the Indian media, more specifically the electronic media, have been so willing to accept the government theory that the attackers came from Pakistan. Top Pakistani journalists are asking why the Indian media, more specifically the electronic media, have been so willing to accept the government theory that the attackers came from Pakistan.
They are dismissive of reports in the Indian press that the terrorists had links with Lashkar-e-Taiba, or that they landed in Mumbai in a boat from Karachi. Instead, they are asking why these reports are not demanding the government for evidence of these allegations.
“Too nationalistic”


On Dawn News, three top guns of the Pakistani media – anchors Hamid Mir, Talat Hussain and Nasim Zehra – dissected the coverage in an hour-long programme that was aired both on Saturday and Sunday.
Their scathing conclusion – Indian media are “too nationalistic”, “smug”, they told “lies” or at best “half-truths”, “did not ask questions”, resorted to “clichés” and have perfected the art of projecting Pakistan as the enemy.
A similar programme aired on Geo TV on Sunday. The feeling is widespread in the Pakistan journalistic community that the Indian media are responsible for the current tensions between the two countries and for pushing the Indian government to take on its neighbour even if it means launching a military strike. The India media have been accused of not even looking at other possibilities, such as the involvement of an Indian group in the attacks.
The new evidence in the Samjhauta Express firebombings pointing a finger at a Hindutva militant group has come up repeatedly as one reason why the Indian media should have been less “hasty” in arriving at its conclusions.
On the whole, Pakistanis — as evident from public phone-ins to talk shows — are even questioning if the entire ghastly episode was not all engineered by Indian intelligence agencies working in connivance with the U.S. to “defame” Pakistan with the intention of dismembering it.
“[The] Indian media is overcommitted to projecting India as a success story. They are not used to reporting state failures. They are used to reporting India as a country where nothing bad happens, its Army as the best thing in the world. It projects its heroes as supermen, taller than the Himlayas…So the gap between what the Indian media are committed to reporting, and the crass state failure they had to do report [in Mumbai], they ended up filling it with lies,” Mr. Hussain, a top-rated anchor with Aaj TV, told Dawn News.
On the same programme, Mr. Mir, who anchors Geo’s flagship show Capital Talk, asked why the Indian media were not asking hard questions of the Indian government.
“When Pakistani forces say they have killed five Al-Qaeda, when they say Rashid Rauf has been killed in a drone attack, Pakistani media are asking them questions — show us the bodies. But Indian media are not asking important questions.
“There are 500 nautical miles between Karachi and Gujarat, and the Indian media are saying the terrorists came in boats from Karachi. Why are they not questioning the failure of their intelligence agencies?”
Mr. Mir said the Indian media had to take responsibility of the sharp downslide in the relations between the two countries.
At a press conference, Pakistan Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi too accused the Indian media of “irresponsible” conduct.
Giving himself credit for having stayed on in India for three days after the Mumbai incidents began, he said he had “engaged with their political leadership, engaged their intelligentsia, faced their media,” to explain Pakistan’s point of view.
In response to his appeal for “national unity” and his declaration that the country must “hope for the best and plan for the worst”, at least one Punjabi television channel started playing national songs from the 1965 and 1971 wars, including Noorjehan’s famous song dedicated to soldiers, “Merey watan key sajheeley jawanon”.

Finally the Pakistanis are doing something right. They have to be smart with ideas and logic. They have to hit and hit hard, where it really counts and it must be relentless.

 

[T-Rex]

They are doing the shittiest job anyone has ever done and it is anti nationalist channels like these that are bent on destroying Pakistan. They have no love for Pakistan.

Look at the Indians how they are blaming us? Even when terrorist in phone conversation says he is from deccan hyderabad they say he is not and make him into a pakistani. WTF man? Our media is filled with traitors.

Why aren't we telling the world that it was actually hindu fanatics who were responsible. Show that saffron band on the terrorists hand. Remind ppl karare was investigating hindu terrorist outfits responsible for malegaon and samjhauta express and his widow refused to take fanatical modis money because she knew he had killed her husband. This also puts BJP a hindu nationalist party to win the elections.

This has benefited only them and the malegaon investigations have been thrown into pure darkness because of this. Every blast every attack is blamed on us and it is time for us to unite instead of blame ourselves for everything. In a nation of 1.1 billion people no blast can happen without it being bangladeshi or pakistani group that is supported by ISI. What bullshit?

Pakistan hai toh hum sab hain. This patriotism and nationalism has to be instilled in every Pakistani. Wake up Pakistanis and stop being idiots. Our disunity is being used by foreigners to crush us. This attack was not from a pakistyani militant outfit. LET has denied responsibility and condemned the act. Deccan Mujahideen has accepted responsibility more than twice but even that could be made up by the hindu fanatics.

This attack has nothing to do with pakistan. End of Story.
I am sick and tired of my country being blamed by the Indians for every blast that happens in theirs even though 4000 pakistani civilians have died in the war on terror. This is nonsense. A very strong Nationalist government is required that thinks only of the benefit of Pakistan and its people.

Immense patriotism should guide out path.

I agree with you, the Pakistani media should focus on Hindu terrorirsm with all its might. In the end, the world has to take notice if they do it consistently and logically.

 

[blain2]

I think the Indian media have done a great job overall. The hindi channels tend to be melodramatic and sensational, but that will mature over time.

On the other hand, Pakistani TV channels seemed to be filling up their slots with recordings from Indian media channels, and their criticism of it - a rather strange way of presenting the news.

Let me remind you that Pakistani TV channels are far, far worse in this regard. People like Zaid Hamid are living proof of this, and I've seen the so-called "better" channels like Geo. They suck.
However, none of the Indian channels seem obsessed with the nonsense being spewed on Pakistani TV.

Every single Indian media forum is spewing anti-Pakistani vitriol and here you are telling us that your media is not obsessed with Pakistan. While there is trash in the Pakistani media, Indian media is no exception. Sensational reporting and innuendos are the norm on your side.

 

[Kharian_Beast]

Every single Indian media forum is spewing anti-Pakistani vitriol and here you are telling us that your media is not obsessed with Pakistan. While there is trash in the Pakistani media, Indian media is no exception. Sensational reporting and innuendos are the norm on your side.

Indian media is like watching a game show, most outlets are built around giving viewers high blood pressure, always 5 steps ahead of the government and 2 steps behind decency. The government should clamp down on this because they are going just ape **** with anti-Pakistan agendas right now.

 

[Captain03]

http://www.hindu.com/2008/12/01/stories/2008120155891300.htm​

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Indian media accused of not demanding for evidence
“They are overcommitted to projecting India as a success story”


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ISLAMABAD: The escalating tensions between India and Pakistan over the Mumbai attacks have led to the declaration of hostilities in unexpected quarters – Pakistani media has declared a virtual war on Indian media for its “knee-jerk” finger-pointing across the border, and its unquestioning acceptance of the Indian government’s “Pakistan-link” theory.
Most Pakistanis are angry and upset about the Indian allegations, which they believe are “unsubstantiated”. Even the Indian government, whose highest officials have made the allegation in unambiguous terms, have not come in for as much flak as the messenger, the assumption being that governments will say what they have to, but it is the duty of the media to question.
Leading the charge against the India media are the Pakistani television channels, with panel discussions shows devoted exclusively to the coverage of the Mumbai attacks by the Indian media.
Even on talk shows about the impact of the attacks on the relations between the two countries, among the first questions that anchors are shooting off are: “Do you think the India media should have pointed a finger at Pakistan within such a short time, and without any evidence? Why do we see this knee-jerk response every time some terrorist incident takes place in India?”
Overshadowed


One of the big successes of the peace process since 2004 was the greater understanding and camaraderie between the media of the two countries, thanks to frequent interactions. But the smoke and gunfire of Mumbai has overshadowed even that.
Top Pakistani journalists are asking why the Indian media, more specifically the electronic media, have been so willing to accept the government theory that the attackers came from Pakistan. Top Pakistani journalists are asking why the Indian media, more specifically the electronic media, have been so willing to accept the government theory that the attackers came from Pakistan.
They are dismissive of reports in the Indian press that the terrorists had links with Lashkar-e-Taiba, or that they landed in Mumbai in a boat from Karachi. Instead, they are asking why these reports are not demanding the government for evidence of these allegations.
“Too nationalistic”


On Dawn News, three top guns of the Pakistani media – anchors Hamid Mir, Talat Hussain and Nasim Zehra – dissected the coverage in an hour-long programme that was aired both on Saturday and Sunday.
Their scathing conclusion – Indian media are “too nationalistic”, “smug”, they told “lies” or at best “half-truths”, “did not ask questions”, resorted to “clichés” and have perfected the art of projecting Pakistan as the enemy.
A similar programme aired on Geo TV on Sunday. The feeling is widespread in the Pakistan journalistic community that the Indian media are responsible for the current tensions between the two countries and for pushing the Indian government to take on its neighbour even if it means launching a military strike. The India media have been accused of not even looking at other possibilities, such as the involvement of an Indian group in the attacks.
The new evidence in the Samjhauta Express firebombings pointing a finger at a Hindutva militant group has come up repeatedly as one reason why the Indian media should have been less “hasty” in arriving at its conclusions.
On the whole, Pakistanis — as evident from public phone-ins to talk shows — are even questioning if the entire ghastly episode was not all engineered by Indian intelligence agencies working in connivance with the U.S. to “defame” Pakistan with the intention of dismembering it.
“[The] Indian media is overcommitted to projecting India as a success story. They are not used to reporting state failures. They are used to reporting India as a country where nothing bad happens, its Army as the best thing in the world. It projects its heroes as supermen, taller than the Himlayas…So the gap between what the Indian media are committed to reporting, and the crass state failure they had to do report [in Mumbai], they ended up filling it with lies,” Mr. Hussain, a top-rated anchor with Aaj TV, told Dawn News.
On the same programme, Mr. Mir, who anchors Geo’s flagship show Capital Talk, asked why the Indian media were not asking hard questions of the Indian government.
“When Pakistani forces say they have killed five Al-Qaeda, when they say Rashid Rauf has been killed in a drone attack, Pakistani media are asking them questions — show us the bodies. But Indian media are not asking important questions.
“There are 500 nautical miles between Karachi and Gujarat, and the Indian media are saying the terrorists came in boats from Karachi. Why are they not questioning the failure of their intelligence agencies?”
Mr. Mir said the Indian media had to take responsibility of the sharp downslide in the relations between the two countries.
At a press conference, Pakistan Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi too accused the Indian media of “irresponsible” conduct.
Giving himself credit for having stayed on in India for three days after the Mumbai incidents began, he said he had “engaged with their political leadership, engaged their intelligentsia, faced their media,” to explain Pakistan’s point of view.
In response to his appeal for “national unity” and his declaration that the country must “hope for the best and plan for the worst”, at least one Punjabi television channel started playing national songs from the 1965 and 1971 wars, including Noorjehan’s famous song dedicated to soldiers, “Merey watan key sajheeley jawanon”.

i am proud of the media
only they have the power to step it up and unite the country to fight false accusations
just hoped our politicians would do the same

 

[roadrunner]

Heck, Pakistani connections were being bandied about before it was even possible to have interrogated the chap.

Everyone knows the Indian MI are going to torture him to extract confessions. So naturally he's going to tell them what they want to hear.

He originally said he was from Hyderabad as pointed out (or at least that's where the base was - Deccan Hyderabad). Now he's changing his story. I wonder why

Back on topic. Pakistani media have not been doing their job. They should be working hard, and working together to dispell the obvious inconsistencies in the Indian stories coming out of Mumbai .. like the one above.

 

[blain2]

Everyone knows the Indian MI are going to torture him to extract confessions. So naturally he's going to tell them what they want to hear.

He originally said he was from Hyderabad as pointed out (or at least that's where the base was - Deccan Hyderabad). Now he's changing his story. I wonder why

Back on topic. Pakistani media have not been doing their job. They should be working hard, and working together to dispell the obvious inconsistencies in the Indian stories coming out of Mumbai .. like the one above.

With the "drawing room" culture so prevalent in the LEA communities of India and Pakistan, confessions made are mostly hogwash. Even folks at GITMO have been found to confess to it all under duress. Can anyone really believe that this guy is not under stress right now?

 

[zombie]

Can anyone really believe that this guy is not under stress right now?

You are right. Showing the photo of the people he shot and some good beatings would have put him under stress.

Btw what is the islamic treatment for this act of killing ?

 

[Kharian_Beast]

You are right. Showing the photo of the people he shot and some good beatings would have put him under stress.

Btw what is the islamic treatment for this act of killing ?

Death sentence.