Pakistan may study other fighter options as US asks Pakistan to make full payment for F-16 purchase

[Abingdonboy]

Only a select few will ever be on offer to India, and even those will be specified very tightly.

Yes, some things are not on the table for India as @Freyja has correctly stated but I wouldn't say that they represented the majority of what the US could sell. What can't be sold to India is a rather limited set of equipment wheras the US is willing to sell AESA equipped F-16/18s (even the F-35), AH-64Es, CH-47Fs, M777s, P-8Is, C-17s, MQ-4Cs, C-130Js, E-2Ds etc etc. Some of this represents the exact spec of equipment the US Mil is currently operating.

If you knew that then why'd you ask such an asinine question?

There are limits to what the US will sell, from platforms to the goodies packed in them.

To be honest I thought @Syed.Ali.Haider sir was referring to non-US equipment and so got curious as to what he could be referencing, a major brain fade on my part really

Would they? Do we know that? Has there been an inquiry for them? Or is this just wishful thinking.

Geopoltical considerations and the chance to gain their most valuble client state to date would have them offer India anything IF (big if) they were willing to sign certain binding agreements and do "certain" things.

 

[VCheng]

To be honest I thought @Syed.Ali.Haider sir was referring to non-US equipment and so got curious as to what he could be referencing, a major brain fade on my part really

It's okay. Just don't crow too much on what is on offer or not. USA will sell only what would serve its own interests before anything else. Always.

 

[Abingdonboy]

USA will sell only what would serve its own interests before anything else. Always.

Agreed.

I'll buy that. If only because I like you and don't want to see us get mad at each other and soil future conversations or discussions.

And with that, I'll.......

 

[MastanKhan]

Well i for one never claim that they are perfect or all there decision are right. I do however believe that they have more sense then to bash a war proved fighter aircraft. They do understand the advantages F16 brings that we normally tend to forget. Since these advantages have been debated time and time again, i do not see the need to repeat but if you have any doubts, let me know and i will be happy to update you regarding that.

And yes, as a Pakistani, it is your right to point fingers at the mistakes and try to get then corrected.

Hi,

Are you talking about the WOT in fata----what 'war proven' that is---there is no air to air combat---there is no surface to air missiles coming---there are no air aircraft batteries shooting at you---there are no dogfights----.

These strikes in Fata are like a video game---like any other training mission. Just like Prince Henry stated about his chopper missions---" it is like playing video games ".

Every equipment that is used by military is basically field tested as close to battle conditions that it could get to---once it is installed it is further tested during training---battle scenes are created to make sure everything works---so by default---everything in a fighter aircraft or otherwise is " battle tested "---regardless of it being the JF17---F16---J10---SU35 / 30 or whatever.

This battle tested term is an old acronym---modern technology---modern testing---modern simulators put the equipment thru real world scenarios all the time.

So---posters should re-consider using this term losely----.

No one inducts & deploys equipment that is not " battle tested ".

If PAF is so much obsessed with F16 then pay for it. Better to get money from USA I.e. hard cash in terms of FMF and pay Americans the shit they want. Else get J 16 yar. Please tell me how we have to pay extra money. I mean we are reimbursed money in return for services in war on terror. Americans are not paying money. Instead they are keeping money home and adjusted money to be paid in f16s and demanded 270 million dollars remaining for 8 f16s. WHAT HAVE I MISSED?

Hi,

You have missed the wordings of the deal signed before the start of wot.

 

[TOPGUN]

PAF should really look in to J-10 B I really don't see any other option on the table really .

 

[HAIDER]

Pakistani should come out from " emotional bonding" and touch the reality. America is corporate world. In corporate world always cut throat competition . US treasury will be broke if they start giving respect to foreign govt emotions.,

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

The latest news is that they are stuck on the issue---. Do not want to hear anything else---.

This guy is a very thick headed man---.

 

[mingle]

Pakistani should come out from " emotional bonding" and touch the reality. America is corporate world. In corporate world always cut throat competition . US treasury will be broke if they start giving respect to foreign govt emotions.,

After Panama leaks US will never pay for these jets for them it's crime now so PAF .

Hi,

The latest news is that they are stuck on the issue---. Do not want to hear anything else---.

This guy is a very thick headed man---.

Khan BABa send that guy to states for more lobbying after this Panama fiasco who gonna pay that what Sen Rand Paul was saying on motion why we pay for crook elites of Pak

 

[313baberali]

Who do you think the State department proposes the FMS to?

back
okay. all in all ,congress did IT. only way is veto (which american president not want to use it), May be fatmi and foreign office statements (PAK)were on Obama powers .Obviously Pak can not do lobbing as no money to buy F-16s so how can we spend on lobbing .

@cloud4000 oh yes story is end to begin the new one

 

[Tipu7]

These strikes in Fata are like a video game---like any other training mission. Just like Prince Henry stated about his chopper missions---" it is like playing video games ".

Sir
Not every one is expert of playing video games.
Iron Fist is proof of that. Man behind machine still counts a lot.

Are you talking about the WOT in fata----what 'war proven' that is---there is no air to air combat---there is no surface to air missiles coming---there are no air aircraft batteries shooting at you---there are no dogfights----.

But there are still targets to HIT.
Hidden in caves, in tunnels, in bunkers, in the valleys of mountains.
Americans leant these lessons in Afghanistan, we learnt them in Wazerastan.
If the worth of locating, tracking and engaging enemy who do not have dedicated anti air weaponry was so easy to count and use, then right now Arabs were beheading the Hauthi leadership instead of retreating back from Yemen.

PAF should really look in to J-10 B I really don't see any other option on the table really .

J10B is "emergency number"

 

[vsdave2302]

If Pakistan can not afford F 16 tha they can not afford other russian and European planes. They will be left with no option but to buy it from China and may get J 10. I with India will be very happy if Pakistan have CHiese plane rather than the US , Russian or even European plane.

 

[Shabi1]

Something US/Indian Lobby will realize later, if you cut back on assistance to Pakistan you will lose leverage. F-16s had strict control measures in place and the newer partially paid by FMS would certainly be more monitored for use only against militants.
Any aircraft PAF acquires from own funds will not have restrictions.

 

[MastanKhan]

Sir
Not every one is expert of playing video games.
Iron Fist is proof of that. Man behind machine still counts a lot.

But there are still targets to HIT.
Hidden in caves, in tunnels, in bunkers, in the valleys of mountains.
Americans leant these lessons in Afghanistan, we learnt them in Wazerastan.
If the worth of locating, tracking and engaging enemy who do not have dedicated anti air weaponry was so easy to count and use, then right now Arabs were beheading the Hauthi leadership instead of retreating back from Yemen.

J10B is "emergency number"

Hi,

You want to stretch the discussion---you can make a thousand and one scenarios---.

 

[weqi]

Actually no only 3 countries officially recognised the Taliban in Kabul and USA was not one of them

how USA ousted russians from afghanistan during cold war era ??
did they used there radars in pentagon and start killing russian installations??
who was supporting taliban at that time and providing assitance at that time ??

because west was afraid of increased communism

now after 9/11 islamiism

i would suggest indians don't stake your prosperity

stop supporting israel.

 

[Hyperion]

The most interesting part of your post is that @Muhammad Omar has thanked it........ very very interesting............

USA is not refusing the F-16s to Pakistan. Pakistan is welcome to buy whatever it can pay for with its own money for its *own* war. USA has made ample contributions already via the CSF.