Pakistan: Man accused of blasphemy shot dead at court trial

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

They can't be ignored --- these fasadis must be under check

Why should they be kept in check? Are they spying on behalf of Israel or the US or India?

-- Islamic republic of Pakistan has declared them non muslims,

This baygharat & un-Islamic act of declaring Ahmadis non-Muslims needs to be repealed, and more and more people need to speak up against this.

they must accept this status and if they have problems with this, fly away.

No. People, Ahmadi and non-Ahmadi, should remain in Pakistan and continue demanding an end to this coercion in religion that violates Islamic principles. Running away from a problem never fixes the problem.

----- an Islamic State can't allow the blasphemers to practice their faith freely.

Why not? What tangible harm to the State is being done by Ahmadis practicing their faith freely?

Are they spying on the behest of foreign powers?

Are they stealing, engaging in corruption, raping children, blowing people up through bombings, killing our soldiers through IED's or ambushes?

Oh, wait, the majority of those crimes are committed by non-Ahmadi Muslim politicians and individuals.

 

[TNT]

By the way, the fault is of the govt. People keep barking at the blasphemy laws but never tells the truth that till day, not a single person have been hanged with this law. This law is there just for looks and never implemented. Due to this, people take law in their hands.
Had this law been implemented efficiently, no one would have dared to commit blasphemy in Pakistan. People would also not take law in their hands if the state implements all laws.

 

[krash]

Your long bhashan doesn't make any sense ---- an Islamic State doesn't allow any xyz from any religion (even Islam) to claim Prophethood, the penalty is straight death --- our desi liberals must try to live with this reality.

Nonsense, an Islamic state does no such thing. Maybe your inability to read anything beyond nonsensical one-liners is the reason why you are so ill-informed and ill-educated on basic Islamic principles. Principles which not only have been explicitly stated but also shown in practice by the Rashidun. Say during the time of Hazrat Abu Bakr?

 

[Longhorn]

By the way, the fault is of the govt. People keep barking at the blasphemy laws but never tells the truth that till day, not a single person have been hanged with this law. This law is there just for looks and never implemented. Due to this, people take law in their hands.
Had this law been implemented efficiently, no one would have dared to commit blasphemy in Pakistan. People would also not take law in their hands if the state implements all laws.

Would it stop people falsely implicating innocent people in these blasphemy laws?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

not a single person have been hanged with this law.

Rotting in jail cells for years is probably worse - your life and the life of your family gets destroyed. Your family and friends have to suffer and possibly be ostracized, or, to save themselves, are forced to disown and condemn you over unproven accusations.

The law, at the least, needs reforms where no detention or arrests should be carried out until investigations are complete and the appeals process in courts exhausted. The identity of the accused should be kept confidential and those leaking identities of the accused (the accuser, police, judges) should face severe consequences. There should also be severe consequences for those making the accusations if they are determined to be unfounded.

 

[shah_123]

Why should they be kept in check? Are they spying on behalf of Israel or the US or India?

This baygharat & un-Islamic act of declaring Ahmadis non-Muslims needs to be repealed, and more and more people need to speak up against this.

No. People, Ahmadi and non-Ahmadi, should remain in Pakistan and continue demanding an end to this coercion in religion that violates Islamic principles. Running away from a problem never fixes the problem.

Why not? What tangible harm to the State is being done by Ahmadis practicing their faith freely?

Are they spying on the behest of foreign powers?

Are they stealing, engaging in corruption, raping children, blowing people up through bombings, killing our soldiers through IED's or ambushes?

Oh, wait, the majority of those crimes are committed by non-Ahmadi Muslim politicians and individuals.

I have been listening to this broken record of yours for years --- beghairats are those who don't accept constitution of Islamic Republic of Pakistan ---- there is no place for blasphemy in an Islamic state. ( keep boiling with anger, blasphemy law is to stay and qadiyanis will be kafirs in Islamic republic of Pakistan).

 

[Imran Khan]

Why should they be kept in check? Are they spying on behalf of Israel or the US or India?

This baygharat & un-Islamic act of declaring Ahmadis non-Muslims needs to be repealed, and more and more people need to speak up against this.

No. People, Ahmadi and non-Ahmadi, should remain in Pakistan and continue demanding an end to this coercion in religion that violates Islamic principles. Running away from a problem never fixes the problem.

Why not? What tangible harm to the State is being done by Ahmadis practicing their faith freely?

Are they spying on the behest of foreign powers?

Are they stealing, engaging in corruption, raping children, blowing people up through bombings, killing our soldiers through IED's or ambushes?

Oh, wait, the majority of those crimes are committed by non-Ahmadi Muslim politicians and individuals.

Those whom make such laws turned this nation monsters

 

[M. Sarmad]

By the way, the fault is of the govt. People keep barking at the blasphemy laws but never tells the truth that till day, not a single person have been hanged with this law. This law is there just for looks and never implemented. Due to this, people take law in their hands.
Had this law been implemented efficiently, no one would have dared to commit blasphemy in Pakistan. People would also not take law in their hands if the state implements all laws.

Almost 74% of all death sentences are ultimately overturned by The Supreme Court of Pakistan. The apex courts commute the death sentence if there is even an iota of doubt of the innocence of the accused. That's how the judicial system works. Nothing specific against "295-C" as you are trying to claim here

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I talked with police today. This guy first claimed to be a prophet and then abused our Prophet SAW in court, to which the otjer guy reacted.
No one cares abt a small minority, but why cant they stop meddling in our religion? Why cant they keep their abuaive beliefs to themselves? Why cant they live peacefully and not uttering crap the offends others???

Not every Ahmadi goes around doing these kinds of things in public - did it occur to anyone that the individual might be mentally or emotionally unstable?

Again, a proper investigation, a court ordered psychological exam etc would have established what exactly was going on.

Regardless, even if the man was completely sane, the fault lies with people who are incapable of controlling their emotions and end up engaging in extreme violence. We have people killed over 'Maa, behen ki galiyan' - because of some twisted sense of 'honor'. This problem is not just about blasphemy, it's a wider societal issue of seeing violence as acceptable in the defence of 'honor'.

 

[shah_123]

Nonsense, an Islamic state does no such thing. Maybe your inability to read anything beyond nonsensical one-liners is the reason why you are so ill-informed and ill-educated on basic Islamic principles. Principles which not only have been explicitly stated but also shown in practice by the Rashidun. Say during the time of Hazrat Abu Bakr?

Nonsense, an Islamic state does no such thing. Maybe your inability to read anything beyond nonsensical one-liners is the reason why you are so ill-informed and ill-educated on basic Islamic principles. Principles which not only have been explicitly stated but also shown in practice by the Rashidun. Say during the time of Hazrat Abu Bakr?

Mr Moderator! watch out the language you use -- I understand the pain liberals feel over these couple of issues, as I said b4, these are to stay here; you have tried your best with foreign sponsorship -- move on!

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

as I said b4, these are to stay here; you have tried your best with foreign sponsorship -- move on!

And as we said, no one is moving on.

What is wrong is wrong and it will be opposed and we will raise our voices against it until there is enough support to change what is wrong, even if it takes another generation.

 

[Longhorn]

Rotting in jail cells for years is probably worse - your life and the life of your family gets destroyed. Your family and friends have to suffer and possibly be ostracized, or, to save themselves, are forced to disown and condemn you over unproven accusations.

The law, at the least, needs reforms where no detention or arrests should be carried out until investigations are complete and the appeals process in courts exhausted. The identity of the accused should be kept confidential and those leaking identities of the accused (the accuser, police, judges) should face severe consequences. There should also be severe consequences for those making the accusations if they are determined to be unfounded.

It's Pakistan you are talking about.
The people involved in the legal process are usually infected by the same thinking as the accuser.

 

[TNT]

Would it stop people falsely implicating innocent people in these blasphemy laws?

There should also be a law if someone falsely implicates anyone, the punishment shoukd be double that of blasphemy. A false accuser is actually worst than a blasphemer.

 

[krash]

Mr Moderator! watch out the language you use

No doubts about your reading skills anymore.

as I said b4, these are to stay here; you have tried your best with foreign sponsorship -- move on!

Well, since you put it that way, there's no point in trying anymore. Or maybe not.

 

[TNT]

Rotting in jail cells for years is probably worse - your life and the life of your family gets destroyed. Your family and friends have to suffer and possibly be ostracized, or, to save themselves, are forced to disown and condemn you over unproven accusations.

The law, at the least, needs reforms where no detention or arrests should be carried out until investigations are complete and the appeals process in courts exhausted. The identity of the accused should be kept confidential and those leaking identities of the accused (the accuser, police, judges) should face severe consequences. There should also be severe consequences for those making the accusations if they are determined to be unfounded.

This i totally agree with. A false accuser should be ounished double that of blasphemer. Also it should be amended to make it quick. Ur right, falsely accused ppl can rott in jail for decades, have their name tarnished. Their family would have to move from that place.
Also i clearly am against killing by individuals, no one has the right to take life. No person should be jidge jury and executioner at same time.