Pakistan makes unprecedented announcement of nuclear capabilities

[Arsalan345]

@Arsalan345 @FuturePAF

I find both of you to be very sensible, level headed and mature interactors. Do you seriously believe that India plans to invade Pak?

Regards

Yes. India has this stuff of 1971 in their minds. they know Pakistan can again create similar mess. This is where Indian doctrine comes into play. Punjab is core to everything. Lahore is closer to India than Karachi. A mess in Lahore or civil war like situation will help India. India has plans. Our intelligence knows everything in advance. You can't talk about Nuclear RPGs without any reason. Pakistan has crated this unnecessary fear in their hearts about Indian invasion and this happened right after late Musharraf era.. This fear is costing us. It's basically offensive to defensive mindset.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@FuturePAF

Bhavishya bhai,

Normally, no, but the false flag incident of Pulwama in 2019 makes me think Modi wants a military win, to deter China.

And yet one plane shot down, India immediately deescalated. What does that tell you? Does India look like a nation which wants to or is even capable of fighting a full blown war that too with a nuclear powered neighbour.

@Arsalan345

Yes. India has this stuff of 1971 in their minds.

Arsalan bhai,

You missed the fact that there were no nukes in 1971!

A mess in Lahore or civil war like situation will help India.

In that case, wouldnt the Indian high command be best advised to follow the adage "Don't disturb the enemy when he is making a mistake"? Wouldnt a better lower cost option be to simply arm and fund both sides in the conflict through third parties?

Regards

 

[FuturePAF]

@FuturePAF

Bhavishya bhai,

Normally, no, but the false flag incident of Pulwama in 2019 makes me think Modi wants a military win, to deter China.

And yet one plane shot down, India immediately deescalated. What does that tell you? Does India look like a nation which wants to or is even capable of fighting a full blown war that too with a nuclear powered neighbour.

@Arsalan345

Yes. India has this stuff of 1971 in their minds.

Arsalan bhai,

You missed the fact that there were no nukes in 1971!

A mess in Lahore or civil war like situation will help India.

In that case, wouldnt the Indian high command be best advised to follow the adage "Don't disturb the enemy when he is making a mistake"? Wouldnt a better lower cost option be to simply arm and fund both sides in the conflict through third parties?

Regards

Didn’t say he wants a “full blown war”, only a military win to deter China. A show of force that salami slices the status quo. But if Modi does something militarily, it will be compared with 2019, and weaken the current sharif government’s image further by comparison. Which is why Modi’s rhetoric has probably been subdued, for now. Modi thinks he can play out of the Israeli playbook and humiliate the Arab neighbors (whom we are mimicking more and more with each day) into accepting their hegemony.

The PDM route is a slow death spiral Modi wants into making Pakistan accepting Indian hegemony, as we have seen play out with the Arabs over the last 50 years. Appeasement only emboldens.

Modi de-escalated because his forces weren’t fully prepared, as were the Israelis at the start of the 1973 war. Also, there were probably still enough diplomatic back channels as well as the nuclear sword of Damocles to keep it from going further. Having the backing of a major power like China on India’s border after their 2020 clash buys Pakistan time, but it won’t last forever.

CPEC and military support doesn’t mean Pakistan should align its vision with Chinese interests blindly, at the expense of its relation with the US, but it does mean it needs to not endanger the core of that relationship, the way the Arabs did (but India did not do) with the Russians. Relations with the west ebbs and flows, and as Indian influence in US power circles increases, the risk of roadblocks being out in Pakistani spares supply lines or economic deals is ever more likely. Long term relations with the Russia are strategic for India and relations with China are strategic for Pakistan.

A strong Pakistan’s economy along with a visionary leadership is what is necessary to thread the needle and maintain strategy parity with India (not in numbers but enough capabilities) to deter false flags and their use as a pretext for aggression. China is very important for how to do this for Pakistan.

 

[Fasbre2]

Country is in self destruct mode due to army and pdm actions , modi is not that stupid that he would want to switch that off and get people galvanized against India instead of the establishment aka Army.

 

[Arsalan345]

@FuturePAF

Bhavishya bhai,

Normally, no, but the false flag incident of Pulwama in 2019 makes me think Modi wants a military win, to deter China.

And yet one plane shot down, India immediately deescalated. What does that tell you? Does India look like a nation which wants to or is even capable of fighting a full blown war that too with a nuclear powered neighbour.

@Arsalan345

Yes. India has this stuff of 1971 in their minds.

Arsalan bhai,

You missed the fact that there were no nukes in 1971!

A mess in Lahore or civil war like situation will help India.

In that case, wouldnt the Indian high command be best advised to follow the adage "Don't disturb the enemy when he is making a mistake"? Wouldnt a better lower cost option be to simply arm and fund both sides in the conflict through third parties?

Regards

No third part proxy this time. Brahmos landed in Pakistan. They were testing us. They will attack and this will open our eyes but majority still believes that they will never attack. This nuclear deterrence stuff doesn't work anymore. Pakistan still thinks that it can stop armed thrust through nuclear missiles. World will intervene first if any party use nuclear missile. It will be conventional war. India knows weakness of Pakistan. Pakistani weakness is always numerical superiority of India and lack of depth. Even missiles placed in Baluchistan can be targeted by India but Indian fighter jets still manage to fly from deep inside India which is hard to target for PAF. There are so many factors that''s why i wanted Pak armed forces to annex large parts of Afghanistan but we did nothing.We have no policy and this defensive mindset shows only fear. On 27th February, many friendly countries stopped India otherwise India was ready for all out war. Nobody accepts this in Pakistan. They make stories like India was scared. I mean we must be real. India is now much stronger than Pakistan. It's now a massive economy. Only thing that is stopping India right now is their own people because in general, Indian people wants better economy rather than wars.

Pak army adapted many doctrines. Under late musharraf era, doctrine was going berserk. They were very aggressive and it worked for us. Today, doctrine is to sit and do nothing. Fear destroy nations. Defensive mindset doesn't help. Lack of planning is also visible.

 

[JX-1]

nuclear sub

One (1) nuclear sub costs more than the entire Pakistan navy budget combined.

 

[Riz]

This is more scariest news for us pakistanies rather then any indian or kafir

 

[TheSolution]

Yes. India has this stuff of 1971 in their minds. they know Pakistan can again create similar mess. This is where Indian doctrine comes into play. Punjab is core to everything. Lahore is closer to India than Karachi. A mess in Lahore or civil war like situation will help India. India has plans. Our intelligence knows everything in advance. You can't talk about Nuclear RPGs without any reason. Pakistan has crated this unnecessary fear in their hearts about Indian invasion and this happened right after late Musharraf era.. This fear is costing us. It's basically offensive to defensive mindset.

@FuturePAF

I think this is a valid point, Indians don't take chances when they have a military goal in mind, it's in their nature to only make a move when there's a significant chance of victory, at the level of '71 where they have an overwhelming advantage.

Could the air force base stationed in Tajikistan be a way to gain easy access to air space of Pakistan's Northern region, not only during war time but for potential use in case of a civil conflict?

 

[FuturePAF]

@FuturePAF

I think this is a valid point, Indians don't take chances when they have a military goal in mind, it's in their nature to only make a move when there's a significant chance of victory, at the level of '71 where they have an overwhelming advantage.

Could the air force base stationed in Tajikistan be a way to gain easy access to air space of Pakistan's Northern region, not only during war time but for potential use in case of a civil conflict?

Normally yes, the Indians only move if they think they are covered from all potential downsides. But Modi is trying to salami slice and carry out punitive strikes after false flag events, in hopes of changing the narrative around the region.

Internal political stability in Pakistan and a revamped political strategy in Azad Kashmir, along with a stable and growing economy can rebuff many of these challenges in the non-kinetic domain.

 

[delta2]

@FuturePAF

I think this is a valid point, Indians don't take chances when they have a military goal in mind, it's in their nature to only make a move when there's a significant chance of victory, at the level of '71 where they have an overwhelming advantage.

Could the air force base stationed in Tajikistan be a way to gain easy access to air space of Pakistan's Northern region, not only during war time but for potential use in case of a civil conflict?

The Indians are cowards, in a very extreme way. The Brahmin attacks only if has been given guarantees of a victory, not just a significant chance.

The Brahmin will sit in your feet until he has a guarantee that he can go for your throat.

Pakistan needs to eliminate PMLN/PDM (which is mostly PMLN infrastrucure anyways) in order to make serious progress.

For now IK needs to remain alone and let the pressure build up. Even one crook alongside IK means he will fail in his vision.