Pakistan Leads South Asia in Innovation Efficiency

[RiazHaq]

Thats ok... How do you think that no one India giving charity.

Every religion speaks for charity, there nothing you can boast abt it in your religion.

Charity contributions in India make up only 0.6% of GDP, significantly lagging behind 2.2% in the United States, 1.3% in the UK, 1.2% in Canada.

http://www.bain.com/bainweb/PDFs/cms/Public/India_Sheth_Speech.pdf

 

[NSG_BlackCats]

This is to my Indian friends, why you guys are behaving like this?? I am not an expert on innovation. If some ageny have rated pakistan ahead of India what is the problem!! It is great they are doing great in some aspect. Please stop behaving like kids.

Regarding how our economy is doing, we are doing great but needs to work on few things. We have heard words like Cyber Coolies, Cheap call center jobs all these years, so what the big deal!! We, the people of India who are working in IT industry knows what we are doing. The best part is we have a job. So who cares what others feels. IT industry is just contributing 5-6% to our GDP. But Service sector is contributing more than 50% to our GDP. So just chill. Many experts at IMF, World Bank failed to predict how indian economy is going to behave. So just leave RiazHaq to have some fun

 

[Agni5000]

Charity contributions in India make up only 0.6% of GDP, significantly lagging behind 2.2% in the United States, 1.3% in the UK, 1.2% in Canada.

http://www.bain.com/bainweb/PDFs/cms/Public/India_Sheth_Speech.pdf

Now you are comparing India with developed countries. India is not a developed country. We are one its way. May be in 10-15 yrs.

 

[RiazHaq]

Now you are comparing India with developed countries. India is not a developed country. We are one its way. May be in 10-15 yrs.

It makes no sense to be an apologist for India's 52 billionaires.

India has more billionaires than most of the developed countries, and yet, 75% of its population lives on less than $2 a day.

Haq's Musings: 63 Years After Independence, India Remains Home to World's Largest Population of Poor, Hungry and Illiterates

 

[Agni5000]

It makes no sense to be an apologist for India's 52 billionaires.

India has more billionaires than most of the developed countries, and yet, 75% of its population lives on less than $2 a day.

Haq's Musings: 63 Years After Independence, India Remains Home to World's Largest Population of Poor, Hungry and Illiterates

You are on target now, Next you move to your favorite topic.. Toilet!!

 

[great]

It makes no sense to be an apologist for India's 52 billionaires.

India has more billionaires than most of the developed countries, and yet, 75% of its population lives on less than $2 a day.

Haq's Musings: 63 Years After Independence, India Remains Home to World's Largest Population of Poor, Hungry and Illiterates

So what do you want us to do? Hung country's development to needs of the mediocre. If you want to be rich, then work hard and become rich yourself. Don't stand in line for handouts. It would be insulting. But to me it seems like Pakistanis are capable of only that. Deriding people just because they are able to make money is heinous. If you want to swear at someone, please go ahead and say it to GOI. Its their responsibility to provide opportunity and education to each of our citizens. Please stop making victims of people who actually work hard to develop my country. In our part of the world, we seem to think that the need of a beggar is more important than a product of a rich mind, which is sad.

Why should you expect rich to donate all of the money? What good would it do? I much rather have that money again invested in business by capable people than as handouts given to bunch of lazy people. Also because its not the rich man's duty to do it. Anyone who expects otherwise is morally reprehensible.

 

[foxbat]

It's your home work to find out the number of jobs in each category rather than just the revenue.

BPO is the home of the ultra cheap cyber coolies while India's IT shops are just body shops supplying cheap code coolies for outsourced IT services rather than any real original sw products.

Do you even want me to say Pakistan is home to what?? You see that plastered all over the newspapers of the country you live in. Quit the nonsense and try to have a logical discussion without throwing in words like cyber coolies, code coolies, etc.. I thought that decades of experience would have taught you basic manners of having a debate..

 

[foxbat]

Follow the link I gave you to see stats.

Or better yet, read Prof Anatol Lieven's recent book on Pakistan.

Here are some interesting excerpts from Anatol Lieven's "Pakistan-A Hard Country" on the role of religion and a description of Edhi Foundation as the essence of Pakistan's real civil society:

"Charities with a religious character tend to more favored and more trusted. It is also true of Pakistan's most famous charitable institution by far, Edhi Foundation, which is nonreligious; however, Abdus Sattar Edhi is himself a deeply religious man, known by the public at large as Maulana (a Muslim distinguished by his piety and learning)even though he is not a Muslim scholar and in fact greatly dislikes being called this.

There is no sight in Pakistan more moving than to visit some dusty, impoverished small town in arid wasteland, apparently abandoned by God and all sensible men and certainly abandoned by the Pakistani state and its own elected representatives- to see the flag of the Edhi Foundation flying over a concrete shack with a telephone, and the only ambulance in town standing in front. Here, if anywhere in Pakistan, lies the truth of human religion and human morality".

Another excerpt from Lieven's book:

"Levels of trust in Pakistani state institutions are extremely low, and for good reason. Partly in consequence, Pakistan has one of the lowest levels of tax collection outside Africa. On the other hand, charitable donations, at almost 5% of GDP, is one of the highest rates in the world".

Lieven quotes the following commandment (2:172) from the Quran:

"Righteousness is not that ye turn your faces towards the east or the west, but righteousness is, one who believes in God, and the last day, and the angels, and the Book, and the prophets, and who gives wealth for His love to kindred, and orphans, and the poor, and the son of the road, beggars, and those in captivity; and who is steadfast in prayers, and gives alms."

You talk of charities.. What percentage of those charitable donations go to terrorist organizations masquerading as charitable trusts.. aka Jamat U Dawa?? DOnt we all know where those charities are headed

 

[Dalai Lama]

Looks like us cyber coolies really piss these guys off. I wonder why.

 

[Hutchroy]

It's your home work to find out the number of jobs in each category rather than just the revenue.

BPO is the home of the ultra cheap cyber coolies while India's IT shops are just body shops supplying cheap code coolies for outsourced IT services rather than any real original sw products.

So why is Pakistan IT Industry expecting the Indian IT Companies to help Pakistan in BPO and IT as per the following Article :

Relations with India

Half a million Indians working in California’s Silicon Valley have helped India’s software companies grow and break into the US and world markets. The Indians on Wall Street have helped put their home country’s venture capital industry on a sound footing. By contrast, Pakistani industrialists and researchers, alike, have to prove they are not terrorists before they can enter America. Access to technology remains a distant cry.

A pact of peace and friendship with India will give us access to Bangalore’s technology.

 

[RiazHaq]

You talk of charities.. What percentage of those charitable donations go to terrorist organizations masquerading as charitable trusts.. aka Jamat U Dawa?? DOnt we all know where those charities are headed

Unable to come up with an answer, you respond with the usual nonsense of painting all charities, including Edhi Foundation highlighted by Anatol Lieven. with the the same brush of terrorism.

Shame on you, and your fellow rich Indians who are responsible for India being home to the world's largest population of poor, hungry, illiterate and sick people 63 years after independence.

Tragically, hunger remains India's biggest problem, with an estimated 7000 Indians dying of hunger every single day. Over 200 million Indians will go to bed hungry tonight, as they do every night, according to Bhookh.com. Along with chronic hunger, deep poverty and high illiteracy also continue to blight the lives of hundreds of millions of Indians on a daily basis.

A recent Oxford study on multi-dimensional poverty confirmed that Indians are far more deprived than Pakistanis and the poorest of the poor Africans. The study reveals that there are more "MPI poor" people in eight Indian states (421 million in Bihar, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, Madhya Pradesh , Orissa, Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh, and West Bengal) than in the 26 poorest African countries combined (410 million).

Haq's Musings: 63 Years After Independence, India Remains Home to World's Largest Population of Poor, Hungry and Illiterates

 

[Agni5000]

Unable to come up with an answer, you respond with the usual nonsense of painting all charities, including Edhi Foundation highlighted by Anatol Lieven. with the the same brush of terrorism.

Shame on you, and your fellow rich Indians who are responsible for India being home to the world's largest population of poor, hungry, illiterate and sick people 63 years after independence.

Tragically, hunger remains India's biggest problem, with an estimated 7000 Indians dying of hunger every single day. Over 200 million Indians will go to bed hungry tonight, as they do every night, according to Bhookh.com. Along with chronic hunger, deep poverty and high illiteracy also continue to blight the lives of hundreds of millions of Indians on a daily basis.

A recent Oxford study on multi-dimensional poverty confirmed that Indians are far more deprived than Pakistanis and the poorest of the poor Africans. The study reveals that there are more "MPI poor" people in eight Indian states (421 million in Bihar, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, Madhya Pradesh , Orissa, Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh, and West Bengal) than in the 26 poorest African countries combined (410 million).

Haq's Musings: 63 Years After Independence, India Remains Home to World's Largest Population of Poor, Hungry and Illiterates

Any link for it?

 

[great]

Unable to come up with an answer, you respond with the usual nonsense of painting all charities, including Edhi Foundation highlighted by Anatol Lieven. with the the same brush of terrorism.

Shame on you, and your fellow rich Indians who are responsible for India being home to the world's largest population of poor, hungry, illiterate and sick people 63 years after independence.

Tragically, hunger remains India's biggest problem, with an estimated 7000 Indians dying of hunger every single day. Over 200 million Indians will go to bed hungry tonight, as they do every night, according to Bhookh.com. Along with chronic hunger, deep poverty and high illiteracy also continue to blight the lives of hundreds of millions of Indians on a daily basis.

A recent Oxford study on multi-dimensional poverty confirmed that Indians are far more deprived than Pakistanis and the poorest of the poor Africans. The study reveals that there are more "MPI poor" people in eight Indian states (421 million in Bihar, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, Madhya Pradesh , Orissa, Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh, and West Bengal) than in the 26 poorest African countries combined (410 million).

Haq's Musings: 63 Years After Independence, India Remains Home to World's Largest Population of Poor, Hungry and Illiterates

Most of the charity by Pakistanis are religiously driven. And we all know where it all ends up at. There is no shame in upholding the truth. Indians even if they don't do charity ( I still don't understand why they should), they don't let their money used by religious zealots to do obscene things.

 

[Hulk]

Foxbat , great come on, you are feeding a troll. He is changing topic first innovation then coolie. That guy do not even know that Indian IT is not BPO driven. He never replied to my post, same thing does in other threads. He is just frustrated about Indias progress and wants to show Pakistan is better.

 

[RiazHaq]

Most of the charity by Pakistanis are religiously driven. And we all know where it all ends up at. There is no shame in upholding the truth. Indians even if they don't do charity ( I still don't understand why they should), they don't let their money used by religious zealots to do obscene things.

The reason why average Pakistanis suffer lower poverty and less hunger than Indians and enjoy longer life expectancy is because of Pakistanis generosity toward their less fortunate brethren.

http://www.riazhaq.com/2011/05/world-bank-on-poverty-across-india-in.html