Pakistan is starting to open up to tourism

[atya]

We don't have to do it that way.
My city in Canada has special districs.

Also, may I ask, how many times has somone forced you to go to a bar and pay to buy alchohol?

You live in the land of bars, but you don't have to go to one.

Pakistan isn't perfect and neither are it's people but don't forget the core principles and foundations of which our country was made. I am not going to continue this discussion because it's pointless explaining myself but we all will be meeting our Creator and that should be enough to send shivers down your spine when you think about such stuff

 

[Rusty]

Sure, let's corrupt the minds of our future generation. There is no such things as peer pressure...open the doors to drugs, alcohol abuse, rape and indecency in a mass scale. Yes, everyone will carry their own sins on the day of judgement but it's sad to hear the state of our citizens.

Bro, I understand where you are coming from. I used to think exactly like you.
But you know what?
I grew up in the west, I grew up around alchohol, drugs, partying etc.
But I didn't do any of those becuase I was taught what my faith was and I followed it by my own will.

You can't force people to do what they don't want. You can only educate.
And "walls" don't work. they didn't work in China, Germany and they won't worth with Islam.
You can't wall off knowledge and pretend like haram things don't happen.

Pakistan isn't perfect and neither are it's people but don't forget the core principles and foundations of which our country was made. I am not going to continue this discussion because it's pointless explaining myself but we all will be meeting our Creator and that should be enough to send shivers down your spine when you think about such stuff

Yes, and no where does it say that it's your job to be the police for God.
Let people make their own mistakes. It's on them.

 

[El Sidd]

Bro, I understand where you are coming from. I used to think exactly like you.
But you know what?
I grew up in the west, I grew up around alchohol, drugs, partying etc.
But I didn't do any of those becuase I was taught what my faith was and I followed it by my own will.

You can't force people to do what they don't want. You can only educate.
And "walls" don't work. they didn't work in China, Germany and they won't worth with Islam.
You can't wall off knowledge and pretend like haram things don't happen.

So what is your stance on the Wall being built between Afghanistan and Pakistan and between Iran and Pakistan?

 

[HammerHead081]

but don't forget the core principles and foundations of which our country was made.

Yeah a country envisioned by Quaid which will have equal rights for every human regardless of their religion and religion not getting involved with state. Its looks like you forgot the core principles and foundations of our nation.

but we all will be meeting our Creator and that should be enough to send shivers down your spine when you think about such stuff

There are not only Muslims in Pakistan. There are people from other religion as well. We should be respectful to them, they shouldn't be refrained from such things such as clubs.

 

[Rusty]

So what is your stance on the Wall being built between Afghanistan and Pakistan and between Iran and Pakistan?

No one said borders are bad.
also, how is it related to the topic?

 

[HammerHead081]

where does it say that it's your job to be the police for God.

Spot on.

 

[atya]

Bro, I understand where you are coming from. I used to think exactly like you.
But you know what?
I grew up in the west, I grew up around alchohol, drugs, partying etc.
But I didn't do any of those becuase I was taught what my faith was and I followed it by my own will.

You can't force people to do what they don't want. You can only educate.
And "walls" don't work. they didn't work in China, Germany and they won't worth with Islam.
You can't wall off knowledge and pretend like haram things don't happen.


Yes, and no where does it say that it's your job to be the police for God.
Let people make their own mistakes. It's on them.

It's sister and I grew up in the West too lol. Making something available to the masses is a source of destruction. A druggie never thought he would be laying half dead on the street and begging for money for his next drag. It was there, available and ruined lives.

 

[HammerHead081]

Atya mentality sounds like those dude who were slapping a dude in Punjab college for talking with a girl saying it isn't allowed in Islam, in short words being religious police.

I grew up in the West too lol

Oh so you are one of the extremists one. I have seen tons of people going to west, not respecting their culture and turning to extremism.

 

[El Sidd]

No one said borders are bad.
also, how is it related to the topic?

You gave an example of walls in China, Germany and probably Mexico.

Either you employ your Muslim blackmail accurately or use other arguments at hand.

 

[atya]

Atya mentality sounds like those dude who were slapping a dude in Punjab college for talking with a girl saying it isn't allowed in Islam, in short words being religious police.


Oh so you are one of the extremists one. I have seen tons of people going to west, not respecting their culture and turning to extremism.

Born in Yorkshire, grew up.in a white area and studying a PhD in molecular medicine.

 

[Rusty]

It's sister and I grew up in the West too lol. Making something available to the masses is a source of destruction. A druggie never thought he would be laying half dead on the street and begging for money for his next drag. It was there, available and ruined lives.

appologies.
And no one is saying that drugs and vice are good.

However, you are in Europe I am sure you know of Portugal.
Around 2001 they legalized all drugs, and you know what? Drug use actually went down.
Less people used it even though it was legal to do so.

The solution is education, not closing your eyes.
Teach your children why drugs are bad, not force the world around to fight an unwinable war.

You gave an example of walls in China, Germany and probably Mexico.

Either you employ your Muslim blackmail accurately or use other arguments at hand.

yar, I thought you were retired.

Born in Yorkshire, studying a PhD in molecular medicine.

I also have a degree in Sciene, but you are clearly much smarter than I am.

I will just invoke your training and remind you that science is all about evidence.
If not for evidence, medicine would still be telling people to use leaches to cure diseases.

 

[HammerHead081]

@atya This is you: https://www.samaa.tv/news/2018/10/m...-punjab-university-for-sitting-with-his-wife/

 

[atya]

appologies.
And no one is saying that drugs and vice are good.

However, you are in Europe I am sure you know of Portugal.
Around 2001 they legalized all drugs, and you know what? Drug use actually went down.
Less people used it even though it was legal to do so.

The solution is education, not closing your eyes.
Teach your children why drugs are bad, not force the world around to fight an unwinable war.


yar, I thought you were retired.



I also have a degree in Sciene, but you are clearly much smarter than I am.

I will just invoke your training and remind you that science is all about evidence.
If not for evidence, medicine would still be telling people to use leaches to cure diseases.

How is the reference to science related to our discussion??

 

[El Sidd]

yar, I thought you were retired.

You are not here to engage but just to pass the fatwa who is retired or who is a troll.

There is evidence that Soddom and Gommorah were destroyed by God for they sunk into immoral way of living.

I can understand that making Thailand, Ecuador or Vietnam is appealing to the capitalist thought. But why enforce a way of life on Muslims who have rejected it?

 

[atya]

@atya This is you: https://www.samaa.tv/news/2018/10/m...-punjab-university-for-sitting-with-his-wife/

Clearly unemployed and have ample time to troll