Pakistan interested in Russian electronic warfare technology

[Super Falcon]

India has so many stakes in Russia so it can't pressurize Russia, FGFA, and Sukhois upgrades can be a big pressure tool for Russia. The moment India chose US is the moment Russia cancels the deal or will offer Pakistan big and once that happens India will be in a stage where neither it gets Russian high advanced weapon nor US will provide high quality.

Haha days have been passed FGFA is officially over for india because your own govt officially declared it is over

If you believe in pressure tool than China has even bigger pressure on russia than India so China will pressure Russia over your pressure to not take Indian pressure so Russia has 10 times bigger stakes with China than India

But the fact is your honeymoon is over with Russia as you joined to USA so you are a direct threat to Russia after you signed a logistic support to US Means if Russia usa go in war you refuel USA jets to bomb Russia

Russia has clearly said officially it will sell weapons to anyone who she wants to so they lifted. Ban on Pakistan of weapon sale talk logic and fact

I asked you to go to the Rafale Sticky thread of the PDF https://defence.pk/threads/dassault-rafale-tender-news-discussions-thread-2.351407/page-328

You can place any query there with the members regarding Rafale Deal.

Rafale deal officially over it is the statement of Manhattan partier go to MRCA DEAL IN WIKI

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Indians going crying to Russia was expected.

In the end, enough with INTEREST, time ink the deal.

Indians went to US to block F-16s
they went to China to block CPEC
they went to Russians to Block Helicopters or jets
they went to Saudis to block .. I dont know what

their foreign policy is driven by what Pakistan does and how to block it.

Reading your post and many others, it seems to be working well....all the way up to the Indian PM's office. Apparently they are sending a senior minister to Russia to talk to them out of selling the SU-35 to Pakistanis.....

do you think Indians will keep asking same questions again no matter how many times Americans tell them that they are not interested in their Balochistan project?

do you think Indians would tell USA to reconsider appointing a Pakistani American Judge?
by the way talking about Democratic party event where the Khans appeared and took on Trump... apart from the racist Republicans.. there was another set of people who showed their butthurt and hatred on the social media.... wanna guess what breed of people is that?

 

[tarrar]

Indians went to US to block F-16s
they went to China to block CPEC
they went to Russians to Block Helicopters or jets
they went to Saudis to block .. I dont know what

their foreign policy is driven by what Pakistan does and how to block it.


do you think Indians will keep asking same questions again no matter how many times Americans tell them that they are not interested in their Balochistan project?

do you think Indians would tell USA to reconsider appointing a Pakistani American Judge?
by the way talking about Democratic party event where the Khans appeared and took on Trump... apart from the racist Republicans.. there was another set of people who showed their butthurt and hatred on the social media.... wanna guess what breed of people is that?

It is important to understand why they are doing this & who has given permission to do all this. Does this not bug you, that ganja & band of bastard party members have done absolutely nothing to counter Indian lobby, they have done nothing to tackle Indian sponsored terrorism against Pakistan, they have said nothing to protect Pakistan's interest & the list goes on.

The fact is, all this was not possible without ganja league support. First gadari league did it now ganja league is doing it.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

It is important to understand why they are doing this & who has given permission to do all this. Does this not bug you, that ganja & band of bastard party members have done absolutely nothing to counter Indian lobby, they have done nothing to tackle Indian sponsored terrorism against Pakistan, they have said nothing to protect Pakistan's interest & the list goes on.

The fact is, all this was not possible without ganja league support. First gadari league did it now ganja league is doing it.

Nawaz and Modi consider Pakistan army as their common enemy and Nawaz and Modi think that Kashmir issue is Pakistan army's pet project so they feel that they need to counter it by putting hurdles .. note that whenever Nawa is threatened then India opens fire along LoC and working boundry
but a cute coincidence

 

[Mohammad ahsen]

Don't know about the Russian systems, but I believe Turkish systems would suffice for Pak needs....

hmmmm i say you are right but after america russia is the 2nd super power

 

[mikkix]

Haha days have been passed FGFA is officially over for india because your own govt officially declared it is over

If you believe in pressure tool than China has even bigger pressure on russia than India so China will pressure Russia over your pressure to not take Indian pressure so Russia has 10 times bigger stakes with China than India

But the fact is your honeymoon is over with Russia as you joined to USA so you are a direct threat to Russia after you signed a logistic support to US Means if Russia usa go in war you refuel USA jets to bomb Russia

Russia has clearly said officially it will sell weapons to anyone who she wants to so they lifted. Ban on Pakistan of weapon sale talk logic and fact


Rafale deal officially over it is the statement of Manhattan partier go to MRCA DEAL IN WIKI

Sirjee, I am a Pakistani, plz read carefully what i wrote, I said India cant pressurize Russia because of FGFA and Sukhoi upgrades.

 

[Super Falcon]

This is why most leaders whenever see modi they take opposite side

Look G 20 summit photo session scene no one wanted to stand with modi and listen his stories of Pakistan phobia he insisted President Hollandee to stand with him

Indians went to US to block F-16s
they went to China to block CPEC
they went to Russians to Block Helicopters or jets
they went to Saudis to block .. I dont know what

their foreign policy is driven by what Pakistan does and how to block it.


do you think Indians will keep asking same questions again no matter how many times Americans tell them that they are not interested in their Balochistan project?

do you think Indians would tell USA to reconsider appointing a Pakistani American Judge?
by the way talking about Democratic party event where the Khans appeared and took on Trump... apart from the racist Republicans.. there was another set of people who showed their butthurt and hatred on the social media.... wanna guess what breed of people is that?

Sirjee, I am a Pakistani, plz read carefully what i wrote, I said India cant pressurize Russia because of FGFA and Sukhoi upgrades.

FGFA are not coming as of SUKHOI now Russia can pressurize india not giving required parts so SU 30 cant fly now Indian medicine of isolatiing Russian interests honeymoon is over

Russia always given priority to its strategic interests not few deals

 

[danger007]

Reading your post and many others, it seems to be working well....all the way up to the Indian PM's office. Apparently they are sending a senior minister to Russia to talk to them out of selling the SU-35 to Pakistanis.....

whatever dude.. my post says nothing but am just chilling and lol.. good look next time..

Modi, liked by many Indian members here, has such pea sized brain. He is expending so much energy to isolate Pakistan and bad mouth our country. Indians should know this policy will not work.

There are voices coming from within US not to establish relations with India at the cost of Pakistan.

India with its small minded and myopic obsession with Pakistan is a reflection of its inferiority complex. I did not believe this inferiority complex thing but now after Modi and his foolish behavior around the world, I have started to believe this.

i like sprouted brain like yours.. am not sure why some people like you don't understand these things.. oh just because pak is not in stage to block any Indian defence project.... who got inferiority complex.. lol

 

[zebra7]

Haha days have been passed FGFA is officially over for india because your own govt officially declared it is over

If you believe in pressure tool than China has even bigger pressure on russia than India so China will pressure Russia over your pressure to not take Indian pressure so Russia has 10 times bigger stakes with China than India

But the fact is your honeymoon is over with Russia as you joined to USA so you are a direct threat to Russia after you signed a logistic support to US Means if Russia usa go in war you refuel USA jets to bomb Russia

Russia has clearly said officially it will sell weapons to anyone who she wants to so they lifted. Ban on Pakistan of weapon sale talk logic and fact


Rafale deal officially over it is the statement of Manhattan partier go to MRCA DEAL IN WIKI

Are you crazy or pretending to be. Kindly don't spread your ignorant lies around.

MMRCA was scraped by the Govt. and direct G2G deal was made with the french for 36 Rafale for the first tranche. Official signature after a long negotiation for the price, TOT, customization and Weapon, spares and support are going to held. Now don't start the GAGA of 36 only, because that is for the fly away birds only.

And for FGFA, which is going to be based on PAK FA, the work is on, and let PAK FA gets ready first.

What is this lifted the Ban Logic. Who is stopping you, if you have the money buy Rafale, Grippen, EF-2000, J-20, J-31, F-35, SU-35.

And about Honeymoon with the Russia. LOL and what a Bullshit. Russia remains our major supplier but that never stopped us to procure Mirrage 2000H from France, go for SAMs and Radars from Israel and we can and we were buying weapons from all around the world that suites our requirement. But the word suits for Pakistan better like Honeyoon period between Us-Pak ended to Sino-Pak.

 

[Alpha Fighter]

Modi, liked by many Indian members here, has such pea sized brain. He is expending so much energy to isolate Pakistan and bad mouth our country. Indians should know this policy will not work.

There are voices coming from within US not to establish relations with India at the cost of Pakistan.

India with its small minded and myopic obsession with Pakistan is a reflection of its inferiority complex. I did not believe this inferiority complex thing but now after Modi and his foolish behavior around the world, I have started to believe this.

from the last 60+yrs you doing the same, when India did the same who coming with big words....

forget about 22 members sending for Kashmir, India getting nuke deal give pak 2, India getting this and that.....from last 60 yrs ... u r doing the same thing, India just started it ...

Sirjee, I am a Pakistani, plz read carefully what i wrote, I said India cant pressurize Russia because of FGFA and Sukhoi upgrades.

India has other options, US / EU / French / SAAB , what PAK has option? china and its Russian copy ?

 

[mikkix]

from the last 60+yrs you doing the same, when India did the same who coming with big words....

forget about 22 members sending for Kashmir, India getting nuke deal give pak 2, India getting this and that.....from last 60 yrs ... u r doing the same thing, India just started it ...


India has other options, US / EU / French / SAAB , what PAK has option? china and its Russian copy ?

Yes you have but time is an important constraint. Do you really want to loose contract of Submarines, FGFA, sams and Brahmos? If yes because of options then what about the money you invested there? do you want to take it as expense which was spend for just entertainment.
Secondly what will be the guarantee that you will get the desired equipment from your next/alternate supplier after rejecting Russia.
Thirdly, what about the intermediary time gap between the contract you may lost from Russia and new contract you may get from other source? Are you ready to pass the time with nothing in your hand?

 

[Super Falcon]

Are you crazy or pretending to be. Kindly don't spread your ignorant lies around.

MMRCA was scraped by the Govt. and direct G2G deal was made with the french for 36 Rafale for the first tranche. Official signature after a long negotiation for the price, TOT, customization and Weapon, spares and support are going to held. Now don't start the GAGA of 36 only, because that is for the fly away birds only.

And for FGFA, which is going to be based on PAK FA, the work is on, and let PAK FA gets ready first.

What is this lifted the Ban Logic. Who is stopping you, if you have the money buy Rafale, Grippen, EF-2000, J-20, J-31, F-35, SU-35.

And about Honeymoon with the Russia. LOL and what a Bullshit. Russia remains our major supplier but that never stopped us to procure Mirrage 2000H from France, go for SAMs and Radars from Israel and we can and we were buying weapons from all around the world that suites our requirement. But the word suits for Pakistan better like Honeyoon period between Us-Pak ended to Sino-Pak.

You were the same people 5 years ago saying Russia will never sell even a needle to Pakistan because india is a major customer of russia but Russian showed you middle finger by signing Helicopter deal with Pakistan
Continuously army navy airforce chiefs of Pakistan along with delegation of armed forces are visiting Russia for confidence building and Russia is welcoming too recently Russia made a statement that india should not have concern that we do joint exercises with Pakistan 1 st time in 40 years it means your hold is slipping around and you can't believe it

If it was the case if you present saying that Russia listens india than please pressure Russia to Bloch MI 35 ATTACK helo deal with Pakistan it won't be bug issue for india and Rusia but since it is not happen than you are wrong

Rafale deal Mr partier him self said is officially over I might be wrong but Mr partier is not just go to wiki MMRCA you see at the end

36 Rafale deal is not signed yet it is in problems due to prizing

 

[Basel]

And those OEM's are giving you upto date information of the status on the daily basis. Bull shit.



You are the first one to cross the line of respect, so I have to return it back to you.
Living in illusion and running for the identity crisis is the destiny of yours ***, and you could not see what is happening there. Slowly and steady from U.S favored nation to the the group of North Korea. From land of pure to land of Jihad.
Keep doing it Mamoo.



Rafale Deal is not a small deal, and that is not a mother of all deal, because there will be much bigger deal with FGFA with the Russia. Rafale Deal took time, because there were certain things that needs to be settled down and dealed e.g price, changes, guarantee, future upgrade plan, and transfer of technology which is far away from your reach, because to do such things you need the bargaining power, which required big requirement (189 for IAF), budget (20 Billion deal) to buy, and the number of Choices (EF 2000, F-16 block 70/72, F-18 sh, Mig 35, Gripen E). If India had to just buy, MMRCA then it would be just the matter of few years from finalization to procurement, but this deal is strategic in nature and for the benifits of the India Aerospace Industry. This is not possible for some Countries, who dream like this because

BEGGARS COULD NOT BE CHOOSERS MAMOO !!

Post reported. Enough BS of Indians in Pakistan related matters. Check red color words in post.

@mods @Oscar @waz @Horus @Irfan Baloch in every Pakistan's expected procurement related thread Indians keep jumping in usually with only one troll "how u gonna buy it? U don't have money to buy or U are beggars" most of them have no clue how things work in Pakistan and they just troll to defame Pakistan and derail threads, so please take strict action against them.

 

[Alpha Fighter]

Yes you have but time is an important constraint. Do you really want to loose contract of Submarines, FGFA, sams and Brahmos? If yes because of options then what about the money you invested there? do you want to take it as expense which was spend for just entertainment.
Secondly what will be the guarantee that you will get the desired equipment from your next/alternate supplier after rejecting Russia.
Thirdly, what about the intermediary time gap between the contract you may lost from Russia and new contract you may get from other source? Are you ready to pass the time with nothing in your hand?

lol,

A) Sub : Japanese / German/ French in line with new Sub in Line for Non Nuclear SUB's and For nuclear India making now both

B) Planes : US already offered F35 and in future they will F-22, with Indian also mastering plane designing .

C) Brahmos: - India making own engine in Next Gen Brahmos, they don't need Russian for Next Gen Brahmos

so you see you have not reason India will depend on Russia with other options are open.

 

[zebra7]

You were the same people 5 years ago saying Russia will never sell even a needle to Pakistan because india is a major customer of russia but Russian showed you middle finger by signing Helicopter deal with Pakistan
Continuously army navy airforce chiefs of Pakistan along with delegation of armed forces are visiting Russia for confidence building and Russia is welcoming too recently Russia made a statement that india should not have concern that we do joint exercises with Pakistan 1 st time in 40 years it means your hold is slipping around and you can't believe it

If it was the case if you present saying that Russia listens india than please pressure Russia to Bloch MI 35 ATTACK helo deal with Pakistan it won't be bug issue for india and Rusia but since it is not happen than you are wrong

Rafale deal Mr partier him self said is officially over I might be wrong but Mr partier is not just go to wiki MMRCA you see at the end

36 Rafale deal is not signed yet it is in problems due to prizing

Mamoo no one is saying that Pakistan could not buy this or that from anywhere, its you who are making the words.
Tell me when did French says, they will not sell Rafale to Pakistan, or who is stopping you to buy F-16 block 52, EF-2000 or Su-35 but its you who is making story that India is trying to stop the deal. My question is simple if you wanna buy buy it who is stopping and where did all the stories of India trying to lobby the deal emerges, its the Pakistan itself.

Give me the link, where French rejected Rafale for PAF, its only some avionics which PAF want to add to their JF-17 for some period, as MMRCA competition was going on. When did Russia said, that Su-35 is not for sale, its them who will decide whether they want to sell or not. When did the European nation said that EF-2000 or Gripen is not available for Pakistan -- its only few OEM's that's shows concerned about the technology theft by China only, but who is stopping Pakistan to assure them the IP rights and tech. transfer with the Chinese.

Question about few Choppers from Russia, is this the first soviet/russian chopper in Pakistan -- No. When did India bothered about that 4 choppers supply to Pakistan, when they could buy combat choppers from Europe, US viper or even from China, so whats the big deal.

There is an old man saying "You cannot change other's rather yourself" So why should we try to stop anyone from selling any weapon to Pakistan, when we can easily reject and switch to other OEM, if we didn't like it. I am only saying that we have the bigger order, bigger requirement, bigger budget and possibility is that those OEMs won't be able to ignore us.

Sweet Dreams.

Yes you have but time is an important constraint. Do you really want to loose contract of Submarines, FGFA, sams and Brahmos? If yes because of options then what about the money you invested there? do you want to take it as expense which was spend for just entertainment.
Secondly what will be the guarantee that you will get the desired equipment from your next/alternate supplier after rejecting Russia.
Thirdly, what about the intermediary time gap between the contract you may lost from Russia and new contract you may get from other source? Are you ready to pass the time with nothing in your hand?

Ok just give me an example of which deal that the Russia have rejected to give it to India, which is the basis of all your assumptions of all this.