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PAKISTAN INTEGRATES JF-17 WITH STAND-OFF RANGE WEAPON (GIDS REK)

That remains to be seen, so far we have not seen a single JF-17 flying with either the Takbir LGB or any of other SOW like h-2/h-4 and raad. We have just seen static displays.

I think the whole air-to-ground precision bombing element seems to missing from the thunders. If it had a credible anti-shipping arsenal than atleast the block 2 variants should have had an "operational " targeting pod and Pgms. I dont know why PAF overlooked this whole aspect , you cant call an aircraft 4gen multirole if it doesnt feature PGM.
 
That remains to be seen, so far we have not seen a single JF-17 flying with either the Takbir LGB or any of other SOW like h-2/h-4 and raad. We have just seen static displays.

I think the whole air-to-ground precision bombing element seems to missing from the thunders. If it had a credible anti-shipping arsenal than atleast the block 2 variants should have had an "operational " targeting pod and Pgms. I dont know why PAF overlooked this whole aspect , you cant call an aircraft 4gen multirole if it doesnt feature PGM.
please refer to info thread, its not 2006
 
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Can anyone please explain a little what
STAND-OFF RANGE WEAPON means?:what:
It means YOU are able to attack a target, usually a ground position, while YOU are outside of its maximum defensive capability.

A simple example would be two poles of different lengths. The pole with the longer length, hence with the longer reach, would be considered a 'standoff weapon'.

The longer the distance of this standoff weapon, the greater the reliance upon the weapon to be 'smart' to some degree.

The main issue is the mobility of the target. Fixed ground targets are technically easier for a 'smart' standoff weapon to be effective, and technically easier to develop such a weapon. A gravity driven bomb have limited flight time, using the word 'flight' loosely here, and that time is created by the altitude from which it was dropped. Obviously, a bomb dropped from 3,000 meters will have a longer flight time than the bomb dropped from 1,000 meters.

A smart standoff weapon must be able to deal with the altitude variable seamlessly, in other words, it cannot complain to the pilot that it needs X altitude before it can be dropped.

A longer flight time equals to a longer sensor acquisition time for that fixed ground target. But the downside to this is that the higher the delivery altitude, the greater the odds of that fixed ground target to detect the delivery platform, which equals to alerted countermeasures.

All of this must taken into account during mission planning of that assault on that fixed ground target. You must plan on the approach altitude ( cover ) and the release altitude. You must know your weapon from training and know it intimately.

Now...Against mobile targets.

It is feasible to attack a mobile target with a gravity driven smart bomb, even though it has a limited flight time. It depends on the terrain and the target's ability to move on that terrain.

Say the mobile target is a missile launcher.

A missile launcher becomes a fixed target before launch, therefore, the best time to attack and destroy this target is when it is mobile. Now do you see the problem ? The best type of target is the fixed, but for a certain type of target ( missile launcher ), it is best to attack it when it is moving. Is your smart weapon -- smart enough ?

Which direction is it moving ? Now it becomes a math problem. If the missile launcher is on a paved road and the terrain prevents the vehicle from leaving the road, the math is easier because the direction variable is pretty much one-way -- the vehicle's heading. But you cannot count on this to be constant. Given the limited flight time, your smart weapon must be able to compensate for any possible direction this vehicle can take. Again, this falls back on mission planning. If the terrain is tropical with high topographic features such as hills and/or ravines, odds are good that this missile launcher will be restricted to which direction it can move. On the other hand, if you are dealing with desert type terrain, like in Desert Storm, then the missile launcher can travel practically anywhere. Does your smart gravity driven bomb have sensors ? Can it alters its drop direction to compensate for an unplanned maneuver by the mobile target ?

So just because you have smart weapons, it does not make mission planning easier. In fact, the burden of target intelligence is even greater and mission planning takes longer.

Note: This excludes nuclear weapons simply because of the scale of destruction a nuclear weapon can deliver.
 
A weapon which is appreciated in the hands of a good pilot and planner
A great addition in capabilities to develop a smart bomb which can go beyond the range of a tranditional bombardment
 
Can we upgrade its range and make it cruise missile?
It's theoretically possible, but it'd make the REK into a more complex and costlier kit. If you want to propel something with a turbojet engine, then it'd be best to attach a heavy high-explosive munition, think 600 kg+ like the Denel Raptor III (instead of the 125 kg and 250 kg bombs for the REK). Alternatively, you could attach a turbojet to a bomb dispenser like the NORINCO GB6, which can drop smaller munitions over an area.
 
It's theoretically possible, but it'd make the REK into a more complex and costlier kit. If you want to propel something with a turbojet engine, then it'd be best to attach a heavy high-explosive munition, think 600 kg+ like the Denel Raptor III (instead of the 125 kg and 250 kg bombs for the REK). Alternatively, you could attach a turbojet to a bomb dispenser like the NORINCO GB6, which can drop smaller munitions over an area.

i agree with you bro and thankeyou
but i what if we make its range to 750 km and making it nuclear capable?
And supersonic like c-802?
 
i agree with you bro and thankeyou
but i what if we make its range to 750 km and making it nuclear capable?
And supersonic like c-802?
No point in making REK into a cruise missile. Period. For a 750 km nuclear-capable missile, Pakistan will need to keep working on the Ra'ad. And for supersonic, Pakistan would likely just buy something from China, like the CX-1.
 
No point in making REK into a cruise missile. Period. For a 750 km nuclear-capable missile, Pakistan will need to keep working on the Ra'ad. And for supersonic, Pakistan would likely just buy something from China, like the CX-1.

Ahmm or we can steal brahamos:D:D:D

Ahmm or we can steal brahamos:D:D:D

btw will pakistan go for cx-1?
and transfer of technology??

will pak go for WU-14 too?
 
Good work by folks at GIDS. Folks at DRDO need to get that Sudarshan-NG fast. The current Laser guided bomb can only target 9 KM away. 50 KM range is in class of JDAM-ER.

Edit/Update:
It seems IAF & DRDO has been working and testing this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRDO_Glide_Bombs
Garuda and Gruthamaa. Don't know if they are already in production.
 
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Love it. Even on limited budget, surrounded by enemies in side and out, we can manage this stuff.

All praise to Allah
 
It's theoretically possible, but it'd make the REK into a more complex and costlier kit. If you want to propel something with a turbojet engine, then it'd be best to attach a heavy high-explosive munition, think 600 kg+ like the Denel Raptor III (instead of the 125 kg and 250 kg bombs for the REK). Alternatively, you could attach a turbojet to a bomb dispenser like the NORINCO GB6, which can drop smaller munitions over an area.

sir i have a question. K-8P have 4 hardpoint's under it's wings. each wing can carry 250 kg's load. a single M-81 dumb bomb weigh 119 while adding this Range extension kit it will become 170 kg's. From this seem's that a K-8P "Physically" is able to carry 4 Guided M-81 bomb's.

But is it feasible when we talk in broader context ? both economically and technologically ? Coz if it is, it will be huge boost for forces on our western border. we can save decent amount of money in form of very low operational cost.

4x (119+50)= 680 kg
Remaining 320 kg for 23 mm cannon Pod and rounds under fuselage.


Also, can we guess the price tag of this REK for M-81 or M-82 bomb's ?
 

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