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Pakistan in talks for 4 Ada Class Corvettes, T-129 Helicopters & modernization of agosta fleet

By Sarp Ozer

ANKARA

Turkey has won a tender to build 4 corvettes for Pakistan Navy, Turkish National Defense Minister Nurettin Canikli said on Thursday.

"This will be the largest single export in the history of Turkish defense industry," Canikli told Anadolu Agency and TV broadcaster TRT during his official visit to Montenegro.

Turkey to sell 4 corvettes to Pakistan
Turkey to sell 4 corvettes to Pakistan
05.07.2018
The agreement is a milestone for Turkish defense industry and has proven its adequacy, the minister said.

"Turkey has undertaken such a sophisticated project for the first time," Canikli said.

Recalling that negotiations had continued for six months, he said the parties decided to build two of the corvettes in Istanbul Shipyard and other two in Pakistan’s southern port city of Karachi.

Reporting by Sarp Ozer:Writing by Tuba Sahin


https://www.aa.com.tr/en/economy/turkey-to-sell-4-corvettes-to-pakistan/1195596

If it’s 250 million per ship then It’s 1 billion that means heli contract for 1.5 billion is not the largest ?? How come ?

Unless heli contract is still pending ??
 
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If it’s 250 million per ship the. It’s 1 billion that means heli contract for 1.5 billion is not the largest ?? How come ?

Unless heli contract is still pending ??

The $250 million is the core price the actual price will go up. These ship will have to buy 4 helos as well plus weapons and

I mean added options will take the price up.

If it’s 250 million per ship the. It’s 1 billion that means heli contract for 1.5 billion is not the largest ?? How come ?

Unless heli contract is still pending ??

"It is multi-billion dollar project and as Turkey, we have undertaken a sophisticated project in the international field for the first time. Negotiations had been ongoing for over six months and completed after a really difficult and exhaustive period; it was signed today," Canikli said.

https://www.dailysabah.com/defense/...n-navy-in-largest-single-military-export-deal


The underline red area shows the price is well above $1 billion.

Here is the contract being signed in the Image below. This confirms it has been signed no doubts in it.

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I see that some of our Pakistani brothers are not satisfied.

The MILGEM program is a very long process which will extend from 1400 tons displacement to +5000 tons. ADA Corvette customized task description, defense of territorial waters, submarine warfare and A2AD. In order to understand the choice made by the Pakistani defense ministry, it is first necessary to evaluate it in the general plan of the Pakistani Navy armament.

Also , in developing the ADA corvette, all of the non-recurring costs and emerging issues in the prototype process has been met by Turkey. The Pakistan Navy is investing in an engineering package that is now perfected.

Pakistan navy also becoming the main partner of MILGEM with Turkey , ofc without incurring the these costs.

Since the VLS system will not be included, it is mentioned as a shortcoming. If so, what kind of ammunition would the Pakistan Navy use with MK41 system? Turkey developing its VLS systems, also ESSM's domestic counterparts ammunition is not ready yet.

Cruise Missile Integration may make sense. However, there may be no immediate need for ammunition groups for which the response-time criteria to the extent required by the VLS are in the forefront. This demand can also cause extension of the project schedule. At the other corner I class frigate, still in prototype verification process. Thats means lots of non-recurring costs.

When Vls-certified domestic ammunition group is obtained without no restriction in the future, the VLS can be integrated into these ships. Even solutions on the deck are possible. for example

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Another point I would like to draw attention to is the fact that the strategic relationship between the two countries is escalating. Following the AGOSTA class submarines modernization (SLCM capability), common infrastructure acquisition on Surface platforms will result in increased technical capabilities and cooperation of the two countries and stronger regional affairs of the two countries. The two brothers began to unite in technical sense for the first time, exploring the power that would come out of being together.
 
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There is an interesting note given by aome sources with a reference to Pakistani Officer.

-Deal contains delivery of some technology and rights of Milgem.
-Fourth Milgem will be redesigned as “frigate” by Turk and Pakistani engineers and Fourth ship will be the first ship which is designed/developed by Pakistan.

That makes perfect sense now.

So this 4th frigate would come with VLS?? is it something like that?
 
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The $250 million is the core price the actual price will go up. These ship will have to buy 4 helos as well plus weapons and

I mean added options will take the price up.



"It is multi-billion dollar project and as Turkey, we have undertaken a sophisticated project in the international field for the first time. Negotiations had been ongoing for over six months and completed after a really difficult and exhaustive period; it was signed today," Canikli said.

https://www.dailysabah.com/defense/...n-navy-in-largest-single-military-export-deal


The underline red area shows the price is well above $1 billion.

https://www.yenisafak.com/gundem/milgemde-5-milyar-dolarlik-ihracat-3356070

Defence misister already said it will be 5 billion dollar export.4 milgem cost 1 billion.I think rest of it is for transfer of tech.


This jornalist says 4th milgem will be joint project ofturkey and pakistan and pakistan and turkey will re-desing milgem and its all rights will belong to pakistan.
 
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https://www.yenisafak.com/gundem/milgemde-5-milyar-dolarlik-ihracat-3356070

Defence misister already said it will be 5 billion dollar export.4 milgem cost 1 billion.I think rest of it is for transfer of tech.


This jornalist says 4th milgem will be joint project ofturkey and pakistan and pakistan and turkey will re-desing milgem and its all rights will belong to pakistan.

I think 2 will be built at Karachi as the dry docks are available at Karachi shipyard after both tugs have been launched by Pakistan.

Pakistan will pay Turkey and in return Turkey will contract Karachi shipyard. (This is my personal assessment.)

Launching ceremony of BP Tug for Pakistan Navy held

He said that PN was continuously entrusting Karachi shipyard with the new projects and latest in the line were 2x frigates which were likely to be signed soon.


https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/laun...-for-pakistan-navy-held.566303/#post-10611745
 
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I think 2 will be built at Karachi as the dry docks are available at Karachi shipyard after both tugs have been launched by Pakistan.

Pakistan will pay Turkey and in return Turkey will contract Karachi shipyard. (This is my personal assessment.)

Yes.First 2 ship will be build in turkey while last two will be build in pakistan.
 
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Some changes occurred during milgem project
genesis sys changed on 4th milgem to advent sys
british anti torpedo system changed to aselsan hızır system and abonded small boat intake from back of ship so anti sub specs is improved
link 11 changed to link 16
yakomoz sonar is improved
gasoline depot improved so ship can go more than 3500miles
elxtronic attack system is added
 
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It is a TOT

Pakistan inks naval shipbuilding, technology transfer deal with Turkey


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Pakistani sailors stand by onboard a ship that is accompanying the destroyer Babur on June 4, 2007, in Shanghai, China. (China Photos/Getty Images)



ISLAMABAD ― Pakistan has signed a contract for the construction of four Milgem/Ada-class corvettes with the Turkish state-controlled shipyard M/s ASFAT A.S. The deal, inked July 5, is part of Pakistan’s efforts to replace aged warships featuring systems nearing the end of manufacturer support, boost its conventional deterrent vis-a-vis India, and better safeguard its maritime economy and trade links.

According to a Navy news release, the contract includes “complete transfer of technology and the transfer of intellectual proprietary rights for the design of these ships to Pakistan.”

Four ships will be built ― the first two in Turkey at Istanbul Naval Shipyard, and the third and fourth in Pakistan by state-owned shipyard KSEW ― as part of the technology transfer package.

Indigenous construction of the second pair is intended to help Pakistan’s shipbuilding industry grow and increase its contribution to the nation’s economy.



Though the Ada design features considerable Turkish-developed systems and weaponry, much is still sourced from third parties including the U.S., with whom Pakistan’s relations are presently firmly at their nadir.

Under the present climate, it’s almost certain the U.S. won’t provide clearance for the onward supply of equipment (or direct purchase via Washington); this includes the RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile, the Ada corvette’s primary air defense system.

When asked by Defense News about this situation, the Navy did not explain how it has managed to circumvent this, whether it still hopes to acquire the system, whether the service has replaced it with an alternative (possibly Chinese such as the FL-3000N/HQ-10), or whether the service will simply recycle the Phalanx CIWS from its ex-British frigates (possibly along with Harpoon anti-ship missiles if they still have shelf life remaining) until a better solution becomes available.

Author, analyst and former Australian defense attache to Islamabad Brian Cloughley says the Pakistan Navy “will avoid all U.S. equipment, if possible, on the grounds that they can have no guarantee of supply of spares, ammunition, etc. The attitude of [U.S. President Donald] Trump and Congress is such that it would be most unwise to waste time even applying for U.S. systems.

“The Chinese route seems to be the most practicable, with indigenous systems if possible.”

The use of indigenous technology appears to be firmly on the cards, as the news release says the fourth corvette “will be designed jointly by Pakistan’s Maritime Technologies Complex (MTC) and will be the first indigenously designed and constructed frigate.”

Use of the term “frigate” may imply extensive redesign is planned, possibly enlargement that adds more capable systems and weaponry, similar to Turkey further developing the Ada design into the Istanbul-class frigate.

When asked, the Navy did not clarify if this was the case, but Cloughley says it could be possible, or merely a “misnomer.”

However, an “indigenously developed missile system” will be fitted to the corvettes, (probably a reference to Pakistan’s Harba anti-ship missile), and certainly to the fourth corvette if not the others, in which case Cloughley believes Pakistan will then have “time to look around for a new SAM [surface-to-air missile].”



https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2...uilding-technology-transfer-deal-with-turkey/
 
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So this 4th frigate would come with VLS?? is it something like that?

I do not claim certain things as long as they are not proven by official sources but It is being given like that. If 4th Milgem that Pakistan will construct, will be re-designed frigate variant of corvettes (similar approach like Istanbul class), It will certainly be included some VLS units and Construction will follow with addition orders. Until this time, Turkish domestic VL units with national SAM missiles will also be operational on those ships without any restrictions. The current roadway may envisage such a timeline to benefit the national development programs to add strategic values into those ships without affected by outside pressures step by step.
 
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https://www.yenisafak.com/gundem/milgemde-5-milyar-dolarlik-ihracat-3356070

Defence misister already said it will be 5 billion dollar export.4 milgem cost 1 billion.I think rest of it is for transfer of tech.


This jornalist says 4th milgem will be joint project ofturkey and pakistan and pakistan and turkey will re-desing milgem and its all rights will belong to pakistan.

I doubt 4 ada even with transfer will cost 5 Billion dollars it’s more expansive then freedom class

No way
 
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I doubt 4 ada even with transfer will cost 5 Billion dollars it’s more expansive then freedom class

No way

The cost of 1 is $260 million. I think they will go up to max $2 billion for 4 ships including weapons and all options. Plus the anti air system for Pakistani ships will be different.
 
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