Pakistan holds the key to peace in post-US Afghanistan

[nForce]

It simple. Lets take america india and pakistan interference out of afghans let the afghans decide who they want to represent them and which country they wish to befreind. America will be the least favoured country as they are an invader who is responsible for lots of afghan deaths innocent or not

As I said before,we should not try to make up some imaginary Utopian state in mind that serves no practical purpose.

The World has become a global village now,and thinking on the line of alienation may not be the best thing to do.There will be diplomatic relations,trade relations between countries,irrespective of being good or bad.If you are not there,then somebody else will be there.Thats how it is in the real World.We cannot really accuse somebody for having a good relation with somebody else,can we now?

 

[lem34]

Let us not dig the old graves. We have enough proof but no proof that will convince Pakistan. You can wake up someone who is sleeping but you can wake up someone who is trying to act like he is sleeping.

you are a country six times or so bigger than pakistan if you have irrefutable proof and pakistan govt dont take notice why doesnt your govt do something about it?

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As I said before,we should not try to make up some imaginary Utopian state in mind that serves no practical purpose.

The World has become a global village now,and thinking on the line of alienation may not be the best thing to do.There will be diplomatic relations,trade relations between countries,irrespective of being good or bad.If you are not there,then somebody else will be there.Thats how it is in the real World.We cannot really accuse somebody for having a good relation with somebody else,can we now?

you are welcome to have good relations with puppets if you want. When the tide turns see what happend in iran where the shah was pro american but the public werent when they turned they turned so that 30 years on they are still enemies

 

[pakdefender]

with all the bluffing that India has done in international forums about its capability , the western bloc has very foolishly assumed that india has the capacity to counter both Pakistan and China at the same time , whereas the hard fact in Afghanistan has been that india has kept itself hidden behind the american presence , there is nothing that india can put on ground that radically alter the realities in afghanistan.
History will repeat yet again in Afghanistan, there is no doubt about it

 

[53fd]

I've said this before, & it's pretty apt here:

The Afghans are fiercely independent people, & the US & international forces are seen as outsiders & invaders. Just read up Pashtun history of resisting invasion if you don't believe me. Even though the Taliban are brutal, they're their own Afghan people, & they're still preferred by most Afghans over foreign invaders/occupiers. It's just in their blood, they're fiercely independent people. Without the support of the Afghan people, the Taliban would never been created, or controlling 75% of Afghanistan. Pakistan is doing the right thing by not stepping onto Afghan territory, minding its own business. It's not that hard to figure out, even though the NATO/US Forces have failed to understand this. Karzai criticizes Pakistan/US/international forces, but never the Taliban; because the Taliban are the Afghan people, Pakistan/US/NATO forces aren't.

Ever wonder why Karzai never cries out against Taliban violence in public, but condemns the violence by international forces on Afghan civilians??? Exactly.

 

[nForce]

you are welcome to have good relations with puppets if you want. When the tide turns see what happend in iran where the shah was pro american but the public werent when they turned they turned so that 30 years on they are still enemies

Are you saying that we should take sides of the taliban? Would you yourself like to do it?

 

[Major Sam]

Hamid Karzai said that Taliban insurgents ‘can't move a finger’ without Pakistani support.


As the war in Afghanistan hit the 10-year mark Friday, President Hamid Karzai claimed the Taliban are being propped up by neighbouring Pakistan, saying the militants can t lift a finger without the Pakistanis.

The war will only end when something is done to rout insurgents from their sanctuaries across the border in Pakistan, Karzai said in an interview with the BBC that aired on Friday, exactly 10 years after the US and its allies invaded Afghanistan on Oct. 7, 2001.

The invasion was aimed at toppling the hard-line Taliban regime and punishing it for giving safe harbor to Al Qaeda, which orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States. Over the years, the US-led coalition became mired in a battle against insurgents who have been weakened by international troops yet continue to plant bombs and stage suicide attacks and assassinations of top Afghan figures.

"Definitely, the Taliban will not be able to move a finger without Pakistani support," Karzai said. "The fact is the Taliban were and are stationed, in terms of their political headquarters and operational headquarters, in Pakistan. We all know that. The Pakistanis know that. We know that."

Militant sanctuaries in Pakistan won t go away unless the government of Pakistan cooperates with Afghanistan and the international community finds an effective way to remove the hide-outs, he said.

"We re not saying this in a manner of accusation and reprimand," Karzai added, trying not to inflame already strained relations between the two nations. "We are saying this in a manner of a statement intended towards a solution of the problem."

Pakistan maintains it cut off ties to the Taliban and other militants following the US invasion of Afghanistan, but Washington and Kabul say otherwise.

In the wide-ranging interview, Karzai candidly said the Afghan government and international allies have failed to provide security for the Afghan people. He also said that his government wants to talk to the Taliban, but doesn t know where to contact legitimate representatives of the insurgency.

Former Afghan President Burhanuddin Rabbani, who was leading the government s US-backed effort to talk peace with the Taliban, was killed Sept. 20 by an assassin who claimed to be an emissary from the Taliban. Upon meeting Rabbani, the killer detonated explosives he had tucked into his turban a deadly blast that dealt a major setback to efforts to find a political resolution to the war.

The Afghan government with support from its international allies has been making peace overtures to the Taliban for years. But after Rabbani s death, Karzai shifted his policy, saying he was giving up trying to talk to alleged Taliban envoys. He said Pakistan holds the only key to making peace with insurgents and must do more to support reconciliation.

"We have not said we will not talk to them (the Taliban)," Karzai said. "We ve said we don t know who to talk to.

"We re not dealing with an identifiable individual as a representative of the Taliban, or a place that we can knock on and say, Well, here we are. We want to talk to you. "

"Until that place emerges an address and a representative we will not be able to talk to the Taliban because we don t know where to find them," he said.


Dunya News: Pakistan:-Taliban can't move finger without Pakistan: Karzai...

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Wait and see.

Certainly, but perhaps you can outline some of the things that in your opinion India can do better than all of NATO combined over ten years ...

 

[ahmed_naj]

How can anyone be certain of any fact.. The accepted facts are nothing but the opinion of a forceful majority.

Factual evidence! Any statement like this should be backed up by evidence. It is safe to say the US has the best GEOINT, IMINT and SIGINT capabilities in the world and yet they are unable to provide any evidence to back up this claim.

 

[Pksecurity]

The current US-Pakistan relations are being driven by the Indo-US desire to completely eliminate Pakistan’s influence in post-US Afghanistan. India is preparing to take over the reins of Kabul’s de facto government from the US. A very well authored script is being played out to discredit Pakistan and its human and material sacrifices in War on Terror. To strengthen anti-Pakistan perception being created by the media, stage-managed events are unfolding which include unfortunate assassination of Professor Rabbani. But can Pakistan’s role in the post-US Afghanistanbe totally eliminated? What would be the consequences of any such ill-conceived plans? Pakistan is Afghanistan’s immediate neighbor and both the countries share a porous border called Durand Line. The tribes on both sides of the border are not only ethnically related, they have family ties. In some cases, families are divided on both sides. These are ethnic Pashtun tribes which incidentally constitute the ethnic majority of Afghanistan and have always been ruling the country. Afghanistan has been a favorite playground for the players of the Great Game since 17th century. In those days, the competition between Tsarist and Communist Russia and the British government for Central Asia made Afghanistan a deadly battle ground, and graveyard, for the occupation army of Britain. The USSR, a super power, wrote its complete disintegration in the battlegrounds of Afghanistan in 1980s. America first entered Afghanistan to counter Soviet encroachment. Ten years ago, the United States launched a military effort in the country to inhibit al Qaeda actions, to end the draconian rule of the Taliban and to help the country establish free democratic institutions. The evidence suggests that the US has not been able to achieve its objectives through its Afghanistan (mis)adventure. It has now decided to withdraw from Afghanistan. If Afghanistan misadventure was a deadly blunder of Bush regime, the troops’ draw-down at this stage will be a deadliest mistake. If America withdraws from Afghanistan before the country establishes a stable democratic government, it creates the opportunity for radical groups such as al Qaeda and/or the Taliban to return and dominate the government, undercutting US goals. Pakistan, which shares a long border with Afghanistan, has a vested interest in the stability of Afghanistan. According to Washington Times, an unfriendly government in Kabul creates difficulties in terms of regional issues, border disputes, border control, easy access to Pakistan by Afghan radicals, trade problems and a host of other issues. Moreover, the growing insurgency in the provinces bordering Pakistan and Afghanistan costs Pakistan in both manpower and financial expenditures. Pakistan and Afghanistan relations are tense, partially because Pakistan believes Afghanistan and India actively work against Islamabad. Pakistan points to the Afghanistan vote against its accession to the United Nations – the only country not to support its inclusion – as evidence of anti-Pakistan sentiment. Afghanistan and the United States claim Pakistan has supported the Taliban and fueled the Afghan insurgency because it believes the Taliban represents stability. Currently,Pakistan provides refuge to more than three million Pashtuns who fled Afghanistan after Russian invasion. If Pakistan continues to see itself outside the process in Afghanistan, it will have to defend its own interests in the region. This could include political and material support for those groups Pakistan believes are friendly and provide stability. If Pakistan returns the three million Pashtun refuges to a fragile Afghanistan, for example, it could tip momentum toward the return of a Taliban government, undercutting US objectives in the country. If Pakistan sees a political vacuum in Afghanistan after NATO forces withdraw, it will be forced to fill that void to keep other regional powers from gaining power in Afghanistan and avoid further problems on its borders. Very simply, an Afghanistan without the participation of Pakistan will remain fragile. Currently,Pakistanis a buffer state between terrorism and the rest of the world. If it does not have a say in the future Kabul dispensation, it will be pushed to wall and will not be able to stop the terror from reaching the shores of Europe, USA and other developed states. If India starts meddling in Afghanistan in the hope to control the future Afghan government, it will have to pay a very heavy price. India is supporting only the Northern Alliance, an ethnic minority in Afghanistan and is hated by the Pashtun majority. Its role, whatsoever, in otherwise distant Afghanistan in the hope to encircle Pakistan and keep China away from the region, will not be acceptable to the Pashtun majority. Any power brokering by India will keep Afghanistan, and the entire region, destabilized and will leave the world at the mercy of extremists and terrorists.
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[evldth]

Yes this will be the end game for everybody.

 

[Screambowl]

Pakistan may be holds the key to peace but not willing to unlock it.

 

[Safriz]

Topi pakistan kay sarr pay.

yeh water cooler aap ka huaa.

 

[T-Rex]

If uncle sam keeps meddling in the Afghan affairs there can never be any peace in Afghanistan.

 

[Tshering22]

If uncle sam keeps meddling in the Afghan affairs there can never be any peace in Afghanistan.

Correction. If you keep dwelling in 80s and refuse to finish past ghosts, you'd be walking backwards on development and turn into another 90s Afghanistan.

Afghanistan was a social hell long before uncle Sam returned in 2001. The decade prior to that was a nightmare for common Afghans because of your puppets the Talibunnies. More than any key, it is upto you as to how you want to see yourself. Because based on that, you will be shaping up Afghanistan.

Continue playing with fire, it will get only worse than what you're having in Pakistan.

 

[Nelson]

Why not use that peace key in pakistan first..