Just like US and Mexico are. Is that clear enough for ya?
Not really, since you actually have to increase the disparities between India and Pakistan to the extent that they exist between the US and Mexico before you can use that analogy.
At the moment India and Pakistan are pretty equivalent on most socio-economic indicators, per capita, which is not the case with the US and Mexico, so try again.
What was all that talk about "strategic depth"?
Talk, mostly by one general, Aslam Beg I believe, and please read the rest of the comments about Pakistan's involvement in Afghanistan, along with Afghanistan and the Soviets involvement in Pakistan predating Pakistani intervention in Afghanistan - we didn't cast the first stone.
You never cease to amuse me when you blame all sundry for the ills plaguing Pakistan today. US, India, Israel even the Brits and the French were all the usual suspects, but now blaming Afghanistan is a new ball game altogether. Oh dear, either people are highly incompetent to stop others from interfering in the state of affairs or dumb enough not understand whats happening around them. Take your pick. Now with such authorities (obviously drawn from the general population) its anybody's guess as to what direction the country can head into.
Sorry you are amused - I can't help it if you are completely lacking in knowledge about the history of the region and the history of Afghan intervention in Pakistan.
I don't know what to say really to stop you fro being amused, other than go to a library and start reading to become better informed, instead of wasting our and your time on this forum and constantly being 'amused' when facts are put forward that you have no clue about.
Ignorance is bliss, I know, but apparently ignorance is also 'blissfully amusing' for you now.
I will respond to your comments regarding the link you gave after I read it and cross check some information.
Earlier you said that Afghans attacked Pakistan and refused to accept the IB. And now you claim benevolence and that Pakistan worked for the betterment of Afghans!! Kudos on your double standards. C'mon now, it was all about strategic depth - Pakistan's official Afghan policy. Either you are really ignorant to make that above statement or are willingly indulging in doling out misinformation generously in the vain hope that things on the ground might change.
Learn to understand nuance and complex arguments - The Afghans refused to accept Pakistan, supported separatist movements in Baluchistan and FATA/NWFP and essentially sought to usurp Pakistani territory and break it apart.
Pakistan supported one faction in the Afghan civil war, while also attempting to get that faction to compromise with the opposing side (Northern Alliance) - these attempts to get the Taliban to share power are documented by both Ahmed Rashid and Steve Coll in their respective books,
Taliban and
Ghost Wars. Both authors also argue that the Bhutto government's primary interest in supporting the Taliban was out of an interest in tapping the CAR' natural resources, and ensuring security and stability along the Pak-Afghan border for economic purposes.
And this was while India supported the other factions in the civil war, the brutal dictators of the Northern Alliance, whose atrocities and crime contributed to the Taliban becoming such a popular force in such a short amount of time.
So, there is a huge difference between the meddling of the Afghans in Pakistan and Pakistan's intervention in Afghanistan. Pakistan never sought to break it apart or destabilize it - we in fact sought to stabilize it and establish a strong central, albeit pro-Pakistan (given past history with the Afghans and Indian designs there), government to bring about mutual economic prosperity.
India IS strong. No ifs and buts. Judge for yourself in whichever way possible.
Still insecure? Keep bleating about it, it is still irrelevant to my question which you and Lamayuru are finding so hard to answer for whatever reason.
Can you really say that wrt Pak policy on Afghanistan?
Yes.
Precisely. Well said AM. Now look at the mirror, that same thing applies to Pakistan if you want to compare yourselves with India as a nation state.
Absolutely, though Pakistan and India are far closer on most socio-economic indicators than Afghanistan and Pakistan are - but again, other than helping calm your insecurities and assuaging your ego and arrogance, that has nothing to do with the question at hand.
Nobody is ridiculing Pakistan, its the policies that Pakistan follows that has created such a mess around herself. If you take constructive criticism as personal attacks on your ego, then seriously God help Pakistan.
Actually the comment that Lamayuru passed had nothing to do with constructive criticism, and everything to do with a flame. The issue in fact is that Indians like you are so far gone after being inculcated with hatred against Pakistan, that you actually see blatant flames and puerile comments as 'constructive criticism'.
With attitudes like that, divine help needs to find its way to your door sir, not ours.
Nice quote Mr mod. AM.
Unfortunately for you sitting far from any decision making position in Islamabad, India has been successfully bending Pakistani authorities by using many means available in the diplomatic cookbook, and will continue to do so in the future with much greater success rates given the growing clout India enjoys worldwide. War aint the only way to subdue a nation, and gotta admit Indian politicians are very good at that. Lets see who ends up wearing the "Dunce" hat soon!
And what have you bent us to?
Were you not complaining in the other thread on the Hafiz Saeed issue that 'Pakistan is in denial' and refusing to accept Indian evidence? If your claim is true, then what exactly have you 'bent us to', when you can't even get us to try Hafiz Saeed?
Not try and be a little less arrogant and egotistical, try answering the question, and we might get back to civil discourse.
Cheers.
