Pakistan has made enormous efforts in improving its CTF regime

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Pak is not exactly protesting its innocence of what it is being accused of by FATF. What is happening is for the good for Pak and region.

China’s action is pragmatic here. I do not believe it is providing unconditional support to Pak like Malaysia and turkey. It is ensuring Pak complies and places system in place without Pak getting demolished economically by being placed in black list.

You guys also believe that the iaf killed exactly 350 terrorists in Balakot and shot down an F-16..............

 

[Mav3rick]

Theatrics.

USA decided to retain Pakistan in FATF grey list and allowed those 3 countries to support the motion (behind-the-scenes stuff).

The very day USA decide to remove Pakistan from FATF grey list, Pakistan would be out from the list in an instant - no need for voting game.

You are quite spot on, other than the consent to the 3 countries to support Pakistan, which is incorrect. It is the US which will decide when Pakistan comes out of the Grey list.......hopefully in 4-6 months time.

China presides over this organization, not US anymore.

Correct, however China has negligible influence over FATF members whereas US has enough to make and break deals.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Yet your India could not persuade just 3 members to not vote for Pakistan.

LOL What kind of a superpower is RSS land? It has the entire Western world on its side and has promised the entire universe to blacklist Pakistan. Yet this promise remains unfulfilled till this day.



LMAO Talk about contradiction. He says:

1. US doesn't need Pak help to exit Afghanistan.

A few sentences later:

2. Help US exit from Afghanistan...

Read your own BS for once. It reeks with inconsistencies and contradictions.

LOL Modi has singlehandedly destroyed Indian economy and stirred the beehive after an attempt to annex Kashmir. You can add CAA and other domestic issues to the list. Your own allies including the US Congress is scolding RSS and Modi for diverting from the original job description i.e. China containment. NYT, WP and all other major Western media news outlets are covering Modi under a microscope LOL

LOL aid has already stopped for years. Both economic and military. So I don't know what you are threatening with. The US has lost all leverage over Pakistan. It is the US that had to plead on your behalf after we caught that ugly moustache monster Abhinandan.

Also, it is no one less than Donald J Trump who had to crawl back out of his hole after reinstating the military exchange program. Pakistan was doing pretty good replacing US as a military exchange partner. Now you tell me who lost face here.

US officials openly plead on the media to Pak to abandon China LOL That doesn't sound very promising for a nation that pretends to be in full control.

Fvck the IOC and fvck Ummah chummah. We don't believe in any of that shit. Pakistan has its own policy. If we believed in IOC and Ummah we wouldn't be a nuclear power today. You can keep that sermon where the sun doesn't shine. The Ummah is busy with handing medals to Modi. We don't believe in such Ummah chummah.

Ummah chummah won't decide Pak policy. Ummah chummah is good for photo ops. That is it and neither do we care one bit. When the time comes to roll up the sleeves we know that we have to do it ourselves and WE WILL.

Let Modi make a move and we know he will. He is a coward reeling under challanges. Once he makes his move we are going to pin him down and finish him forever.

Nothing but truth in the above post...........POST OF 2020 so far!!!!!!!!!!.......bro, you deserve a Ferreiro Roche milkshake.............

 

[Mav3rick]

Ummah always helps Pakistan. Thank you Muslim brothers Saudia Arabia, UAE, Bahrain.

There is NO evidence that Saudi Arabia helped Pakistan. Your emotions for the so called 'Ummah' countries is unfounded and misled. Turkey has stood by Pakistan always and under Erdogan the bond has strengthened, the same is with Malaysia under Mahatir.

However, Saudi Arabia under MBS and UAE under the current leader is more pro-India than pro-Pakistan on all matters concerned.

Friend,

Organizations such as FATF and IMF have multiple members and contributors but they have a clear plan and roadmap for addressing any INTERNATIONAL CASE. Decision to retain Pakistan in FATF Grey List was already made in advance - much before this meeting and official announcement. There were already hints about this decision - I noticed these several days earlier.

There is Afghanistan angle in this matter as well.

It is clear as a stone that until USA is willing to let Pakistan out from this list, this won't happen. There is a clear understanding on this issue between FATF members behind-the-scenes. Voting process is absolutely manipulated.

Very well said.

 

[The Eagle]

Again save by so & so, kind of words appears to be like we were actually doomed or that kind of helpless. Kindly try to choose better wording for a thread title instead of providing an open ground for trolling, tantrums & pity at everyone without any warrant to do so. Thread title changed accordingly.

Regards,

 

[Haris Ali2140]

There is NO evidence that Saudi Arabia helped Pakistan. Your emotions for the so called 'Ummah' countries is unfounded and misled. Turkey has stood by Pakistan always and under Erdogan the bond has strengthened, the same is with Malaysia under Mahatir.

However, Saudi Arabia under MBS and UAE under the current leader is more pro-India than pro-Pakistan on all matters concerned.



Very well said.

Man it was Sarcasm. Just look at his avatar.

 

[Mav3rick]

Understand how Pakistan ended in Grey List:
Pakistan had three backers in FATF. China, GCC and Turkey. They vetoed every time. The pushers were UK and France. Then US decided to pull the strings. They offered KSA an independent vote(KSA and other GCC had a collective vote) if they refrained from voting in favour of Pakistan. Now we had only two votes. Not even Malaysia came forward. And Pakistan was placed in Grey list. Now to come off we need 15 votes. And to prevent going into Black list we need at least 3 votes. Now most of the members who vote in FATF are western countries and allies of US. So if US want to put us into Black list or get us out they can dictate it. Because only US has that kind of pull.

We do have 2 votes now, Turkey and Malaysia (at least as long as they have Mahathir Muhammad). Chinese vote, as chair, is generally used to break ties.

 

[LeGenD]

I think you have to help the USA successfully leave Afghanistan. After that, the USA will not impose "pressures" on Pakistan but may side with India on more issues than Pakistan will like. Pakistan's dilemma: Allow the USA to leave Afghanistan and get off the FATF restrictions, BUT then suffer some loss of international support, in favor of India.

Pakistan does not get to decide about the dynamics of American EXIT from Afghanistan. Americans are staying in Afghanistan on their own accord (by force) and they can pack up their bags and leave anytime. Pakistan made its space accessible to Americans and serve in the ADVISORY CAPACITY vis-a-vis Afghanistan (largely facilitating role).

However, Americans want to SECURE their INTERESTS vis-a-vis Afghanistan before committing to military-oriented EXIT from the country; understandable because Americans have significant investments in the country. Towards this end, Americans and Afghan Taliban are having TALKS and have apparently worked out a deal (a welcome development); Pakistan have facilitated these talks and will continue to do so. After the deal is officially ratified by relevant parties, Americans will push for INTRA-AFGHAN dialogue to chart political future of Afghanistan. Pakistan will facilitate INTRA-AFGHAN dialogue as well.

Afghan endgame will be to the satisfaction of all major stakeholders in the country - hopefully. This will be a major breakthrough for Americans as well because nobody have been able to address political crisis in Afghanistan in a long time.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Fvck the IOC and fvck Ummah chummah. We don't believe in any of that shit. Pakistan has its own policy. If we believed in IOC and Ummah we wouldn't be a nuclear power today. You can keep that sermon where the sun doesn't shine. The Ummah is busy with handing medals to Modi. We don't believe in such Ummah chummah.

Ummah chummah won't decide Pak policy. Ummah chummah is good for photo ops. That is it and neither do we care one bit. When the time comes to roll up the sleeves we know that we have to do it ourselves and WE WILL.

This is not the failure of Allah swt and Prophet Muhammad's saws concept of Ummah, but merely the backstabbing behavior of certain nationstates who claim to be Islamic but are not acting in accordance with Islam (KSA, UAE, Iran.)

Ummah represents a trans-national entity, most true believers (Mu'mineen) are cut out of the politics of their nations and those nations are led by the worst of them, also per Ahadith of our times.

Lastly, Turkey and Malaysia are supporting us mainly because of this concept of Muslim Ummat and desire to see revivalism among Muslim people.

I blame Musharraf for all these attacks against core principles of our faith and for killing off any soft power Pakistan had, due to his attacks on madarris and exiling foreign students from Muslim countries.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Indian media is saying you are more than likely to be put on blacklist in June...even ndtv reported it( which has credibility)..of course should you fail to live upto the expectations

Indian media is repeating the same shit for the last 2 years. No blacklisting back than and now its just the matter of time we will be out from the grey list as well.

 

[PradoTLC]

US doesn’t need Pakistan to leave Afghanistan. It will make a deal with Russia to transit their forces out, leaving Pakistan holding the bag. And then you can forget about aid, trade, CSF, F-16s, etc. Pakistan tried to links Afghanistan with Kashmir and got a cool response. Help US get out of Afghanistan and door will open, otherwise they may be permanently closed.

really?

that is not what we are seeing on the ground. With US government working around the clock with Pakistan to make this happen.

also what non sense you keep harping around for CSF? F-16 ? no body in Pakistan is asking for this it is only in your head.

Indian media is repeating the same shit for the last 2 years. No blacklisting back than and now its just the matter of time we will be out from the grey list as well.

indian media .... muhhahahhahahhah they are just a collection monkies braining washing 1.2 billion donkeys

Pakistan has never been an ally of the United States. The five eyes have been allies. No one else has been even close. Even Israel is not an ally. Both Israel and Pakistan are nations who have sought, with varying degrees of success, to use the United States for their own self-interest. Never have they acted, either one, in the US interest against their own interest, even a smidgen.

True... and we can say the same thing about USA... you used as a cold war "ally" for your own interest. Supported military dictator at the expense civilian rule.

the thing no body in Pakistan wants to see USA as an ally.. infact apart from left over issues nobody wants to engage you lot. Your "attempted" meddling into CPEC on reinforces are believe in your sinister agenda.

 

[Dubious]

accusing

I didn't accuse I questioned based on your post. Stop thinking questioning is equal to accuse. How is anyone supposed to communicate with Chinese members if this is how you people behave? @WebMaster

 

[beijingwalker]

Theatrics.

USA decided to retain Pakistan in FATF grey list and allowed those 3 countries to support the motion (behind-the-scenes stuff).

The very day USA decide to remove Pakistan from FATF grey list, Pakistan would be out from the list in an instant - no need for voting game.

China presides over this organization, not US anymore.

So are you telling us it is China who keeps us in the grey list and then playing a double game by pretending to back us?

Ok, let's leave others to think of this question... I keep my mouth shut.

 

[Thamizh Puli]

China does have influence (and some resources) but not anywhere near that of the US. But the two of them have much more important issues to tussle over and the FATF grey/black listing or not of Pakistan is not on the top page of that agenda.

If Pakistan avoids the Hafis Saeed type of fiascos that make headlines and intensify the 27 point implementation, that should do the trick. Question has been and is, will pragmatism prevail over empty pride

 

[Nasr]

Anyone who says that FATF is a Jews + Christians against Muslims, is living in a fools paradise. Zionists control IMF, WB, FATF, SWIFT and anything else which can pull the strings on the U.S economy, and through it, the global economy.

FATF is a Zionist tool, they use these tools to subjugate any country which is oppose or challenge their hegemony. Pakistan, despite it's infestation of jahil-liberals and traitors, would be economically surging ahead at warp speed due CPEC, if it weren't for IMF holding it at gunpoint and FATF noose hanging around its neck.

Those who consistently make the assumption that America is the only one that can change Pakistan's fate by just allowing it off the "grey list," should also know that America is a Zionist State, and it would not ever let an Islamic Nuclear State become economically powerful. Because if Pakistan does become economically powerful, then America would be $hitting their pants. Why? Because an economically powerful Pakistan, would close the conventional military gap between it and hindu-land that hindu state would have it's hands full with Pakistan, to even think about China. And when China doesn't need to worry about india, then America would have a serious fight on it's hands in the Pacific.

Like it or not, all Russia and China need is two politically solid, militarily powerful and economically robust allied states to make the Zionists quiver in their boots.