Pakistan has been stumped in last 2 years

[Awesome]

Guys, get this in your heads, we as ordinary people may like and want peace between the two nations, but the people in power, incharge of things don't want it to happen, on both sides.

Each other has stabbed each others back whenever an opportunity has arisen. That has happened in the past, its happening in the present and it will happen in future too.

So whatever Indians or Pakistanis wish, things will not go that way.

What future has in hold for us, is just a guess.

I feel a little differently.

The ends do not justify the means. Peace is an end, the means should be resolution of issues. We need to resolve our issues, peace would probably follow that.

 

[ek_indian]

Indians creating a thread from India how India has stumped Pakistan, I'm just taking forward the same assumptions.

They are fully believed in Pakistan, India has to be transparent about its activities in Afghanistan.

I am NOT in support of this thread. I with all my might, criticise this kind of nonsense thread. Who is X to have a say about Y's affair. Where X and Y could be anything but same. I even said this with my own countrymen in a thread on "whose economic model is better India or China"...

As the Indian activities are concerned, I assume common men may be supposed to believe in this. However these issues are discussed to death here and a senior member like you know how many consulates India has in Afghanistan (it is not 17) or who was behind SL activities (the people have beeen caught)....

On international forum, any statement not backed by proof is bond to invite laugh. India is no different in this regard.

 

[sab]

Why three years? Why not look at Pakistan's post-Musharraf performance against terrorism?

We liberated Swat from the clutches of Indian terror groups
We foiled all Afghan-Indian attempts from mustering support against Lahore
Balochistan's attacks are no longer hitting key places that India would've wished to bomb like Gwadar, Sui
Sovereignty has been restored in half of FATA
America's insistence that we leave pro-India groups and focus attacking on anti-Nato forces didn't work. We first took care of pro-India groups.

India has gained one major victory in post-Musharraf scenario. And that is the attack on the SL team. That too happened because of Zardari's political ambitions against the Sharifs who had initially provided top notch security for SL.

All in all in the Post-Musharraf scenario, India's biggest gain has been Zardari, from the Army's side however, Pakistan's been improving leaps and bounds.

And you say others as brainwashed. BTW you are brainwashed or in the job of brainwashing others. Most stupid and hypocratic post one can make.Shame.

 

[third eye]

I feel a little differently.

The ends do not justify the means. Peace is an end, the means should be resolution of issues. We need to resolve our issues, peace would probably follow that.

AA,

What you are saying is right & thats how things should be. However, in our context it has become a ' desire' only to be sacrificed at the 1st available opportunity at the altar of virtually anything.

What TK says is closer to reality. Our genes seem to have mutated to a point of permanent hate & distrust. The reasons are not too far to find.

The bottom line is that we have got so used to hating each other & being in a state of war - mental if not physical that peace seems like a frightening prospect to us.

 

[TaimiKhan]

I feel a little differently.

The ends do not justify the means. Peace is an end, the means should be resolution of issues. We need to resolve our issues, peace would probably follow that.

Sir, as i said no one stopping anyone of us from feeling or hoping for peace.

But what we think is not the way the people in power think.

Is issues get resolved, then there is no probability for peace, rather there would be peace.

Resolution of issues is the main thing, and u know more then me, who is serious enough to resolve those issues.

 

[PlanetWarrior]

Why three years? Why not look at Pakistan's post-Musharraf performance against terrorism?

We liberated Swat from the clutches of Indian terror groups
We foiled all Afghan-Indian attempts from mustering support against Lahore
Balochistan's attacks are no longer hitting key places that India would've wished to bomb like Gwadar, Sui
Sovereignty has been restored in half of FATA
America's insistence that we leave pro-India groups and focus attacking on anti-Nato forces didn't work. We first took care of pro-India groups.

India has gained one major victory in post-Musharraf scenario. And that is the attack on the SL team. That too happened because of Zardari's political ambitions against the Sharifs who had initially provided top notch security for SL.

All in all in the Post-Musharraf scenario, India's biggest gain has been Zardari, from the Army's side however, Pakistan's been improving leaps and bounds.

Inasmuch as I believe that India has the responsibility of moving forward to resolving the Kashmir issue, not only for the sake of peace in Kashmir or placating Pakistan, but for the sake of general peace in the sub continent, it bewilders me how some Pakistanis whom I regard as being intelligent individuals can make comments of the sort you just posted above. Where exactly do these conspiracy theories emanate from in Pakistan? Is there some council or another which has been set up to manufacture these theories ? If India is guilty of any of these allegations you make then clearly that will call for world condemnation and sanctions against India. Or does Pakistanis believe that this is a global conspiracy against Pakistan with India just being the tool of the world ? Come on. Lets be individuals in thought and not the mouthpiece of our nations' paranoid propaganda. The Germans learnt under Nazism that state propaganda can be destructive to an entire nation. Surely we have evolved sufficiently to learn from the mistakes of others.