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Pakistan has been playing us all for suckers

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When David Cameron announced £650m in education aid for Pakistan last week, I guess the same thought occurred to many British people as it did to me: why are we doing this?

While we are slashing our social services and making our children pay hefty university fees, why should we be giving all this money to a country that has reduced its education budget to 1.5% of GDP while spending several times as much on defence? A country where only 1.7m of a population of 180m pay tax? A country that is stepping up its production of nuclear weapons so much that its arsenal will soon outnumber Britain’s? A country so corrupt that when its embassy in Washington held an auction to raise money for flood victims, and a phone rang, one Pakistani said loudly: “That’s the president calling for his cut”?:lol: A country which has so alienated powerful friends in America that they now want to abandon it?

As someone who has spent almost as much time in Pakistan as in Britain over the past 24 years, I feel particularly conflicted, as I have long argued we should be investing more in education there.

That there is a crisis in Pakistan’s education system is beyond doubt. A report out last month by the Pakistan education taskforce, a non-partisan body, shows that at least 7m children are not in school. Indeed, one-tenth of the world’s children not in school are in Pakistan.The first time I went to Pakistan in 1987 I was astonished to see that while billions of pounds’ worth of weapons from the West were going to Pakistan’s intelligence service to distribute to the Afghan mujaheddin, there was nothing for schools.

The Saudis filled the gap by opening religious schools, some of which became breeding grounds for militants and trained the Taliban. Cameron hopes that investing in secular education will provide Pakistan’s children with an alternative to radicalism and reduce the flow of young men who want to come and bomb the West.

“I would struggle to find a country that it is more in Britain’s interests to see progress and succeed than Pakistan,” he said. “If Pakistan is a success, we will have a good friend to trade with and deal with in the future … If we fail, we will have all the problems of migration and extremism that we don’t want to see.”

As the sixth most populous country, with an arsenal of between 100 and 120 nuclear weapons, as the base of both Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban leadership, and as homeland to a large population in Britain, Pakistan is far more important to our security than Afghanistan. But after spending two weeks travelling in Pakistan last month, I feel the situation has gone far beyond anything that a long-term strategy of building schools and training teachers can hope to restrain.

The Pakistani crisis has reached the point where Washington — its paymaster to the tune of billions of dollars over the past 10 years — is being urged to tear up the strategic alliance underpinning the war in Afghanistan.

Dana Rohrabacher, a Republican congressman from California who sits on the House foreign affairs committee and has been dealing with Pakistan since working in the Reagan White House, says he now realises “they were playing us for suckers all along”.

“I used to be Pakistan’s best friend on the Hill but I now consider Pakistan to be an unfriendly country to the US,” he said. “Pakistan has literally been getting away with murder and when you tie that with the realisation that they went ahead and used their scarce resources to build nuclear weapons, it is perhaps the most frightening of all the things that have been going on over the last few years.

“We were snookered. For a long time we bought into this vision that Pakistan’s military was a moderate force and we were supporting moderates by supporting the military. In fact the military is in alliance with radical militants. Just because they shave their beards and look western they fooled a lot of people.”


Christine Fair, assistant professor at the centre for peace and security studies at Georgetown University in Washington, is equally scathing. “Pakistan’s development strategy is to rent out its strategic scariness and not pay taxes itself,” she said. “We should let them fail.”The Pakistani crisis has reached the point where Washington is being urged to tear up the strategic alliance underpinning the war in Afghanistan.

Pakistan’s prime minister, Yousuf Gilani, comes from one of Punjab’s largest land-owning families. Watching Cameron sign over the £650m, he said: “I think the root cause of terrorism and extremism is illiteracy. Therefore we are giving a lot of importance to education.”

If that were the case one might expect Lahore University of Management Sciences, one of the most elite universities in the country, to be a bastion of liberalism. Yet in the physics department Pervez Hoodbhoy, professor of nuclear physics, sits with his head in his hands staring out at a sea of burqas. “People used to imagine there was only a lunatic fringe in Pakistan society of these ultra-religious people,” he said. “Now we’re learning that this is not a fringe but a majority.”

What brought this home to him was the murder earlier this year of Salman Taseer, the half-British governor of Punjab who had called for the pardoning of a Christian woman sentenced to death under the blasphemy law. The woman, Aasia Bibi, had been convicted after a mullah had accused her of impugning Islam when she shouted at two girls who refused to drink water after she had touched it because they said it was unclean.

Taseer had been a key figure in Pakistan’s politics for decades and had suffered prison and torture, yet when he said the Aasia case showed the law needed reforming, he was vilified by the mullahs and the media. In January he was shot 27 times by one of his own guards. His murderer, Mumtaz Qadri, became a hero, showered with rose petals by lawyers when he appeared in public.

After the killing, Hoodbhoy was asked to take part in a televised debate at the Islamabad Press Club in front of students. His fellow panellists were Farid Piracha, spokesman for the country’s biggest religious party, Jamaat-e-Islami, and Maulana Sialvi, a supposed moderate mullah from the Barelvi sect. Both began by saying that the governor brought the killing on himself, as “he who blasphemes his prophet shall be killed”. The students clapped.

Hoodbhoy then took the microphone. “Even as the mullahs frothed and screamed I managed to say that the culture of religious extremism was resulting in a bloodbath in which the majority of victims were Muslims; that non-Muslims were fleeing Pakistan. I said I’m not an Islamic scholar but I know there are Muslim countries that don’t think the Koran says blasphemy carries the death sentence, such as Indonesia, Malaysia and Egypt.

“I didn’t get a single clap. When I directly addressed Sialvi and said you have Salman Taseer’s blood on your hands, he looked at them and exclaimed: how I wish I had done it! He got thunderous applause.”

Afterwards, “I came back and wanted to dig a hole in the ground,” he said. “I can’t figure out why this country has gone so mad. I’ve seen my department change and change and change. There wasn’t one burqa-clad woman in the 1980s but today the non-hijabi, non-burqa student is an exception. As for the male students, they all come in turbans and beards with these fierce looks on their faces.”

Yet, he points out, these students are the super-elite, paying high fees to attend the university: “It’s nothing to do with causes normally associated with radicalism; it’s that the mullah is allowed complete freedom to spread the message of hate and liberals are bunkering down. Those who speak out are gone and the government has abdicated its responsibility and doesn’t even pretend to protect life and property.”

Raza Rumi, a young development worker and artist who blogs regularly, agrees. As we sat in a lively coffee bar in Lahore that could have been in the West until the lights went off in one of the frequent power cuts, he said: “Radicalism in Pakistan isn’t equated with poverty and backwardness — we’re seeing more radicalisation of the urban middle and upper class. I look at my own extended family. When I was growing up, maybe one or two people had a beard. Last time I went to a family wedding I was shell-shocked. All these uncles and aunts who were regular Pakistanis watching cricket and Indian movies now all have beards or are in hijabs.

“I think we’re in an existential crisis. The moderate political parties have taken a back seat and chickened out as they just want to protect their positions. What is Pakistan’s identity? Is it an Islamist identity as defined by Salman Taseer’s murder, ISI [the intelligence service], the jihadists? Is that really what we want to be?”

He does not know how much longer he will write about such things. “I’ve been getting repeated emails that I should leave the country or shut up,” he said.

When I left the cafe I was followed for the rest of the day by a small yellow car.
 
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There is a mistake in this article in regards to Hoodhboy, he is the head of department in Quaid-e-Azam University, not LUMS.

Buddhi said a bit too much in anger.
 
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Corruption, injustice, intolerance you can find in every country so we can't blame whole country & nation over particular facts. Don't criticize as we have enough criticism over system, but need to correct it, resist unfair decisions & thinking, this is what will bring change in people.
 
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“I can’t figure out why this country has gone so mad. I’ve seen my department change and change and change. There wasn’t one burqa-clad woman in the 1980s but today the non-hijabi, non-burqa student is an exception. As for the male students, they all come in turbans and beards with these fierce looks on their faces.”

Bull shyt....... we r seeing more beghairti in our society thn ever.


“I used to be Pakistan’s best friend on the Hill but I now consider Pakistan to be an unfriendly country to the US,” he said. “Pakistan has literally been getting away with murder and when you tie that with the realisation that they went ahead and used their scarce resources to build nuclear weapons, it is perhaps the most frightening of all the things that have been going on over the last few years.

“We were snookered. For a long time we bought into this vision that Pakistan’s military was a moderate force and we were supporting moderates by supporting the military. In fact the military is in alliance with radical militants. Just because they shave their beards and look western they fooled a lot of people.”

sanctions,taliban,threats=best friends.


When I left the cafe I was followed for the rest of the day by a small yellow car.
Yeah ur so important.......



Whole article is nothin more thn crap............ just a few points like corruption n the lawyers ... are true.
 
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Bull shyt....... we r seeing more beghairti in our society thn ever.

sanctions,taliban,threats=best friends.

Yeah ur so important.......

Whole article is nothin more thn crap............ just a few points like corruption n the lawyers ... are true.

Articles like this are very important especially when it was a Sunday Times feature.

Its meant to negate the image of a country, person or company in question.

Remember first comes the article, then comes the bomb.
 
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Bull shyt....... we r seeing more beghairti in our society thn ever.

sanctions,taliban,threats=best friends.

Yeah ur so important.......

Whole article is nothin more thn crap............ just a few points like corruption n the lawyers ... are true.

Many people mix international issues with national issues and in their eyes all sins present in their own society but can't differentiate reality of their ideal society from more corrupted environment. For them mask of modernism more attractive then look behind this mask.
Why we forgetting every time in such type of threads that System not consisted over Gilani, Zardari, Taseer, Asia BIBI, & some dirty sorts of mullahs, system consisted over many many honest, educated, fair & patriotic people too. Pakistan international policies are response to policies are played by others for counterbalance.
 
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Though I admit what the author is saying regarding Pakistanis not paying taxes and spending very little on education, I am surprised to see the Americans saying that they give us aid and we have been playing them for suckers. I a recent press conference he stated that US has not given us less than $300 million of the $1.5 billion despite the year being up....

Myth that Pakistan gets billions in US aid: Hafeez | Business | DAWN.COM
 
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Raza Rumi, a young development worker and artist who blogs regularly, agrees. As we sat in a lively coffee bar in Lahore that could have been in the West until the lights went off in one of the frequent power cuts, he said: “Radicalism in Pakistan isn’t equated with poverty and backwardness — we’re seeing more radicalisation of the urban middle and upper class. I look at my own extended family. When I was growing up, maybe one or two people had a beard. Last time I went to a family wedding I was shell-shocked. All these uncles and aunts who were regular Pakistanis watching cricket and Indian movies now all have beards or are in hijabs.

And so what if they have beards or wear Hijabs and Burkas? its their choice, keep your nose out of their personal business! jeez.
 
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When Pakistan does what these americans and westerners ask us to do, they shower praise all over and we are best of friends and good people. When we disagree with them and refuse to do what they ask us to do, suddenly such anti-Pakistan rhetoric increases to a crescendo. And lo and behold, their jamadars, the Indians I mean, also join the melee.
I am not a Taliban or Mullah fan - least of all - but what I immensly dislike is the Raza Rumis of Pakistan who for even petty gora accolade, insult our own. Its a shame indeed.
But what the heck, lets go back to trashing the Indians and listening to the loving and hating goras. :)
 
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When Pakistan does what these americans and westerners ask us to do, they shower praise all over and we are best of friends and good people. When we disagree with them and refuse to do what they ask us to do, suddenly such anti-Pakistan rhetoric increases to a crescendo. And lo and behold, their jamadars, the Indians I mean, also join the melee.
I am not a Taliban or Mullah fan - least of all - but what I immensly dislike is the Raza Rumis of Pakistan who for even petty gora accolade, insult our own. Its a shame indeed.
But what the heck, lets go back to trashing the Indians and listening to the loving and hating goras. :)
You are right. These news/opeds are now suddenly growing because pakistan is not doing what it has been always doing. It is not towing the line. But you cannot blame the masters for cracking the whip. They are used to the pavlovian response from pakistan and the army. Even with all this vitriol, i believe that pakistan will fall in line once again once the army is assured that there is not going to be any extra money left for it on the bed in the morning this time. There are only so many charms that the wily beauty can reveal. Regarding the reference to the indians, well, if you smell the coffee, you will find someone else sweeping the fil*th in the newspapers every morning. But you should not be dressed down for this thinking. It is the genetic defense mechanism of the great martial race and even though this exact thinking and behaviour led to the liberation of bangladesh and is now set to achieve success in balochistan, i will not still fault the pakistani winners for the self adulation. Afterall it is a country which has a lot of self respect.
 
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Whoever wrote this article is begging for white people to give him a pat on his back. Much like todays Bollywood actors and actresses.
If you don't apprieciate then actually leave. He should be glad he gets to write such things. Many people in the World can't even do that. Instead of using his previlges for a good thing he does the complete opposite. He ain't helping the problem, hes making it worse. Dumb a**
 
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Whoever wrote this article is begging for white people to give him a pat on his back.

He ain't helping the problem, hes making it worse. Dumb a**
Very interesting point you make. Do you have people, ready to dirty the clothes with sweat and dust? . Not many i'm afraid.
In that case, Wouldn't you agree the only alternative and good choice you have is of people ready to speak about the ills as they see it? Without fears of the extremists.

As we see it, even this minority is getting extinct as days go by. So before we ask for damnation of those who provide alternate view, do remember, there might come a time when such views will cease to come by and you will have no say in the affairs of your homeland, no alternative but to live by the rules of the extremist or perish.
 
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Education is indeed important, but extremism is not the produce of illiteracy alone, nor is it restricted to the poor economic strata of the country. PM Gilani is equally responsible for continuation of this mess as he holds the most important executive position.

After the killing, Hoodbhoy was asked to take part in a televised debate at the Islamabad Press Club in front of students. His fellow panellists were Farid Piracha, spokesman for the country’s biggest religious party, Jamaat-e-Islami, and Maulana Sialvi, a supposed moderate mullah from the Barelvi sect. Both began by saying that the governor brought the killing on himself, as “he who blasphemes his prophet shall be killed”. The students clapped.

“I didn’t get a single clap. When I directly addressed Sialvi and said you have Salman Taseer’s blood on your hands, he looked at them and exclaimed: how I wish I had done it! He got thunderous applause.”

Regarding the bold part, I remember discussing with a fellow from Pakistan (he was much older than I was). He was giving me a well memorized data on poverty and growth rates for comparison between India and Pakistan.

That was when I told him that the education imparted to children forms the basis of their lives, and the children from Zia's and Sharif's era are yet to mature into adulthood and become the people with power. He failed to understand me, and he acknowledged this failure too and attributed it to my age (of ignorance). Today, it looks like I was right and he deliberately failed to understand me.

So brace it well my Pakistani friends, these are the kids of Zia, the success of Nawaz education will depend on how accomodating you are.

Ohh between, rest of the article too poorly written to garner any interest.
 
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