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Pakistan has been playing us all for suckers

The replies to this thread represent the symptom of the problem much better than the article: the living in denial.

Everything is normal with Pakistan, everything is a conspiracy, all the evidence are made up by journalists and Western powers.

Here is an articulated article of a journalist with a long experience on Pakistan, and the article is being dismissed because of all kinds of excuses.

As the article stipulate, unfortunately, Pakistan is a failed state which export terror and a constant factor of the instability of South Asia and the growing threat of global Jihad. Its armed forces refuse to fight against the radicals, in order to use them as proxies, and its people sympathise these extreme organisations, although they are mainly attack innocent people in Pakistan.

The moderate voices are hashed up or assassinated while their murderers are glorified.

All the above mentioned are indicators for the traumatic crisis Pakistan is experiencing, and what is even more troubling is that its people ignore that and blame others, instead of taking responsibility for their faith.

I think not accepting the truth is living in denail... And with your post it looks like you guys dont want to accept the truth...


1. Many journalist and other people (talking about westerns only) call Israel a murderer and biggest terrorist and if you give excuses against that then you are also living in denial.

2. Our armed forces refuse to fight... Just count the number of terrorist we handed over....

3. And the murderer trialed and will be hanged. As far glorified thing goes its the same "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" you guys keep talking about.



Living in denial and defending yourself from false allegations are two different things... But you wont understand.
 
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Hi,

People of the world are getting conscious about the deaths of a million and half muslims in iraq---the egyptians Al Baradei wants to file criminal charges against Bush and co----seems like america is ready to leave iraq and afg----and wants to put the blame of failue on pakistan----.

For that reason---you are suddenly seeing this massive onslaught of news coming out from all different sections of the western press and govt spokespersons that it is all due to paks fault----.

Well----pak didnot tell you to let Bin Laden escape fromt tora bora or kill a million and a half in iraq or kill another million in afg----sh#t is going to roll down hill----the last stop is pakistan----beware.
 
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So whats the point of the writer.
The society is radicalizing just because many now wear burqah and grow beard etc.
So it means being religious or preaching religion is radicalisim or extremism ?? So then what i should call the Christian Pope etc? he also preaches religion and There are millions in west that go for prayers every sunday. What should i label them?
So should we also start drinking and partying with girls? just because then west will take us as moderates.
Should we ask our women to start wearing mini skirt or bikini style (whatever they call it)? Just because West thinks it is freedom for women.

Writer know nothing about our society and specially our cultural and historical back ground. Majority of Women in the past also used to wear hijab or Chadar or Burqah etc So whats the big issue now?

Goes to show who is extremist and narrow minded.
 
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Actually from a USA perspective, there is not much difference between Afghanistan and Pakistan as far as the need for clearing out the terrorists is concerned.

But USA's perspective ends with their AoR which is the Durand line......after which, they will have to bear our perspective.
 
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we know buddy !!! we have more poor than africa & it's the most efficient & popular reply of pakistanis in PDF..:lol::lol:

I don't like to stick with the clichés but I had to burst that guys "You are a failed state and we are trillionaires" bubble........
 
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CAN OBAMA UNLOAD HIS WAR FAILURE IN AFGHANISTAN ON PAKISTAN?

U.S. Admiral Michael Mullen has accused Pakistan’s Inter Service Intelligence for everything that has gone wrong with the U.S. failure in the Afghan War! And his frustration may sound understandable – until one looks deeper into the facts of the Afghan war, and the timing of Mr. Mullen’s public outburst!
After 10 years of futility and a bluffing U.S. military bravado in the battlefields of Afghanistan, and after an Obama promise to start withdrawing U.S. troops this summer, Admiral Mullen is just venting the frustration of his boss for the worsening situation in Afghanistan! Obama promised in his 2007 presidential campaign to end the war in Afghanistan, but now – 4 years later- he worries that the Afghan war may scuttle his re-election. And before his Republicans opponents start to pound on his Afghan war failures, Obama’s re-election team invented a whipping boy to take the blame: The Pakistani ISI (Inter-Service Intelligence). But since he doesn’t want to sound desperate or weak in-person on his failures, he assigned his underling admiral Mullen to do the barking at the Pakistani establishment. And since the diplomatic protocol doesn’t allow him to accuse directly the political leadership -his supposed allies, the ISI was the perfect punching bag to pound on!
This is an escalation in the hostility of the U.S.- Pakistan relations as the U.S. defeat in the Afghan war looks inevitable the longer the war quagmire drags on. Obama thought in his 2007-2008 presidential campaign that he could promise “an end to the Afghan war,” on quote, and he will have 4 years to win it, and then sail as a hero into his 2012 re-election campaign. Now he has nothing to show for -even with a 30.000 troop surge in Afghanistan, with 3.000 CIA mercenary army in Pakistan, and with thousands of civilian deaths by CIA Predator drones that has turned Pakistan into a boiling cauldron of anti-American hostility. The AFP reported on March 11, 2011 that 2010 was the deadliest year for civilians in Afghanistan, 2.777, a 15% increase over 2009. In Pakistan, the total civilian deaths by CIA Predator drones were 2.170 so far (Pakistan Dawn Newspaper, April 6, 2011) Add to that many reports that the U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan killed civilians “for sport,” (Chicago Tribune, March 24, 2011), and the U.S. war and bombing in both Afghanistan and Pakistan has gone haywire and it is slipping into an antagonistic brawl with Pakistan. Pakistan’s Chief of Staff, Gen. Ashfaq Kayani complained that “Pakistan has become America’s most bullied ally,” and told his American counterparts -Mullen and Patraeus- “I don’t trust you!” (Washington Post, Jan 1, 2011)
Now Admiral Mullen barbs to the Pakistan army that he “doesn’t trust it,” General Kayani calls Mullen’s remarks “propaganda,” and the ISI calls the CIA an “adversary!” On the meantime, corrupt Afghan officials prepare for life in exile when the U.S. throw in the towel, and the Karzai regime collapse by siphoning $$$$ out. The Afghan V.P. Ahmed Zia Masoud was found to carry bags with $ 52 million in a flight from Kabul to the United Arab Emirates (Bloomberg, Nov. 29, 2010) At the same time, 60% of the poor Afghans “have become depressed or suffer mental problems” as the result of the long U.S. occupation and war. (BBC, Dec. 1, 2010) Overall, the whole U.S. involvement in Central Asia is reaching a frenetic stage. Afghan president Hamid Karzai has accused the U.S. dozens of times that it is bombing Afghans civilians thoughtlessly, and the U.S. has countered with accusations that his thinking is marred by anti-depressant medications. Now we are into a hostile shouting match with Pakistan accusing each-other of mistrust and collusion with each-others enemies. It is becoming clear day-by-day that the U.S. has ” no real allies” in either Afghanistan or Pakistan.
Will Barack Obama win the propaganda war -as Gen. Ashfaq Kayani correctly pointed out- and saddle Karzai and the ISI for his failures in the Afghan war? Admiral Mullen’s barbs are the first propaganda salvos of Obama’s re-election campaign. But I doubt if Obama would be able to unload his failure of the Afghan war on his slandered and bullied Afghan and Pakistan allies. Nikos Retsos, retired professor

CAN OBAMA UNLOAD HIS WAR FAILURE IN AFGHANISTAN ON PAKISTAN? – retsos_nikos - My Telegraph


@ bilalhaider: thanks for the link. thought it would be better to add this article to this ongoing debate.
 
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