Pakistan has been offered the Chinese 4th generation J-11 (SU27)

[Imran Khan]

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MOSCOW, July 11. (PTI): Russia's top battle tank plant today signed a production deal with Pakistan, a day after the country's Foreign Minister Khurshid Mahmud Kasuri held talks with his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov.

The 'tank production' deal between Uralvagonzavod plant and Islamabad was signed on the sidelines of "UralArmsExpo" exhibition in Nizhny Tagil in the Sverdlovsk region, Itar-Tass reported quoting an official of local defence industries.

"We can say that tank-production cotracts between Uralvagonzavod and Pakistan have been clinched," Director of the union of regionl defence industry Viktor Batuyev was quoted as saying by the agency without giving any details.

After his talks with Lavrov yesterday, Kasuri said both Moscow and Islamabad had agreed to ugrade their bilateral relations, while the Russian Foreign Minister said no concrete defence cooperation plans were discussed by them.

Earlier Nizhny Tagil- based Uralvagonzavod - world's largest tank production facility - has supplied over 300 T-90S main battle tanks to India to restore the imbalance created by the sale of T-80UD tanks to Pakistan by Ukraine

 

[batmannow]

Ok we have had enough of these fanboys comments about 10 squadron of J-11 etc and its about time we get realistic here..
a J-11B of curse customized version of PAF may cost at least 35-40 million dollars. in that money PAF can get 2-3 F-16 MLUed and still will have better air-to-air missile package!

Dear 23march; sir
its, the crunnt changing situation, in which we dont have any chance of getting a screw of F-16s from USA , the days of F-16's are over, plz realize this for god sake!
& if we try to make fast aproch in getting the quick replacements of , f-16s THE ONLY platform we can get is , J-11b.
US army cheif is visting , siachein FRONT lines, & WE STILL DISCUSSING F-16s, i guss, next US president , no matter, who ever been elected, surly would be lunching air strikes on the name to kill OSAMA BIN LADEN in pakistani lands to show americans of thier seriousness about the subject of terrorism.
what thn, you think still USA would be giving us, f-16s?

 

[Imran Khan]

also what happens to pakistan never reply them as a hot hands

Russia offers defence help to Pakistan
Malaysia Sun
Friday 26th September, 2008



Pakistani Foreign Minister, Shah Mehmood Qureshi, has revealed that Russia has said it would be willing to provide defence equipment to Pakistan to help it fight terror.

Qureshi, after meeting with his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov, on the sidelines of the ongoing 63rd United Nations General Assembly session in New York, said: "Russia is willing to provide equipment to bolster Pakistan's counter-terrorism capabilities. It is also keen to enhance bilateral relations with Pakistan."

He said: "Pakistan and Russia can co-operate in several sectors, including energy, communications, gas pipeline projects and steel production."

He also said significant other political developments were taking place between Pakistan and Russia.

 

[jupiter2007]

also what happens to pakistan never reply them as a hot hands

Russia offers defence help to Pakistan
Malaysia Sun
Friday 26th September, 2008



Pakistani Foreign Minister, Shah Mehmood Qureshi, has revealed that Russia has said it would be willing to provide defence equipment to Pakistan to help it fight terror.

Qureshi, after meeting with his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov, on the Tsidelines of the ongoing 63rd United Nations General Assembly session in New York, said: "Russia is willing to provide equipment to bolster Pakistan's counter-terrorism capabilities. It is also keen to enhance bilateral relations with Pakistan."

He said: "Pakistan and Russia can co-operate in several sectors, including energy, communications, gas pipeline projects and steel production."

He also said significant other political developments were taking place between Pakistan and Russia.

Talk is cheap. I saw a similar article back in 2004 but it was total BS.

Russia can talk all they want but they are not going to sell things that Pakistan wants.
Here is what Pakistan is looking for from Russian:
Transport and attack helicopter (MI-17 & Mi-24)
TOT for Engine for JF-17
Transport/Air refueling Plane.
Air defense Radar, Short/Medium/Large range SAM (S-300P/PMU-1/2/3 & S-300V), SA-12 /Shlem Radar system.
Engine/Transmission TOT for Tanks AL-Khalid II
Russian BVR /R-27/R-77 / speculating....possibly Joint production of BVR Missile.

 

[EagleEyes]

Russian BVR /R-27/R-77 / speculating....possibly Joint production of BVR Missile.

SD-10 is better than what the Russians have to offer.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Talk is cheap. I saw a similar article back in 2004 but it was total BS.

Russia can talk all they want but they are not going to sell things that Pakistan wants.
Here is what Pakistan is looking for from Russian:
Transport and attack helicopter (MI-17 & Mi-24)
TOT for Engine for JF-17
Transport/Air refueling Plane.
Air defense Radar, Short/Medium/Large range SAM (S-300P/PMU-1/2/3 & S-300V), SA-12 /Shlem Radar system.
Engine/Transmission TOT for Tanks AL-Khalid II
Russian BVR /R-27/R-77 / speculating....possibly Joint production of BVR Missile.

-Russia has already sold Mi-17s to PAK
PAK is negotiating AH-1 super cobra AH-64 T-129 and if talks fails for any of them PA may look at more expensive chinese stealth chopper and if thats too expensive then i think they will head for russian chopper as last option.
-PAF is already getting IL-78 from ukraine and one is on its way.
-negotiating Chinese FT-2000
-why do we need russian engine for al-khalid II when we dont even know what AK-2 is.
-PAF is getting SD-10 AMRAAM MICA R-darter AIM-9M so no point for outdated r-27 and r-77.

 

[muse]

Imran Khan

why not 7 sqwardons of jf-17 with bvrs.

JF-17 have neither the payload nor the "long legs" = range

 

[Munir]

Imran Khan




JF-17 have neither the payload nor the "long legs" = range

I do not think that it is just a point defence... It will have IFR and even without that it has a few hundred kilometers depth to protect. It will be located at the forward bases and will serve as normal bvr cap and if needed surgical strike.

I am looking forward where the conclusions are based on...

I have copied some data and though it is not comparable due to a2g or a2a setup but still shows the ferry range... Does that difference make one a point defence fighter? I do not think so. And about ordnance. Yo do not risk a plane and a pilot these days. There enough alternatives. Besides that The f16 did have more load but it was unguided. Just check the guided orndnance these days... Not much different compared with JF17.


f16
Combat radius: 340 NM (295 mi, 550 km) on a hi-lo-hi mission with six 1,000 lb (450 kg) bombs
Ferry range: 2,280 NM (2,620 mi, 4,220 km) with drop tanks

Jf17
Combat radius: 1,352 km (890 nmi, 1,025 mi)
Ferry range: 3,500 km[43] (2,100 mi)

 

[General Fujita]

I see what your saying bro, but that is the f-16 block 30 specs

 

[muse]

Why not offer the payload and range of the J11, after all we were talking about the J11 and you throw in numbers for F16 - how does that make sense? Does the Chinese navy envision a naval role for the J11?

 

[Imran Khan]

Why not offer the payload and range of the J11, after all we were talking about the J11 and you throw in numbers for F16 - how does that make sense? Does the Chinese navy envision a naval role for the J11?

j11 is never any role in pakistan until we have f-16 role pakistan air force need more and more f-16.if we talk abut navy pakistan navy well never ever go for j11 they wiil never have fighter wing up to date.paf will use mirages for air sport to navy.PN will get there first full air sqwarden and that is JF17

 

[muse]

easy, don't have a cow - F16 was and will remain a mistake, but we were talking about a role for the J11 in the Pak navy - Our potential adversary is not just the indian navy, but also "others" like Western navies. JF-17 does not have the range or payload for a extended naval role - and it's "multirole" capablities exist in a tightly defined envelope - which does not mean she is not a fine ship, the J11 is twin engine ship with greater ranger and payload. Just because a capability to provide air cover has not existed in the Pak Bahriyah doe snot mean that such a role will never exist or that it ought not exist.

 

[Neo]

J-11 has been in the pipelines for quite some time but with the uncertainity about the future of F-16C/D and the financial crisis our focus will be on the JF-17 and FC-20 with the latter providing dual role for maritime strikes.

 

[Imran Khan]

J-11 has been in the pipelines for quite some time but with the uncertainity about the future of F-16C/D and the financial crisis our focus will be on the JF-17 and FC-20 with the latter providing dual role for maritime strikes.

sir thats mean near future there is no role of j11 in PN.am i right

 

[Myth_buster_1]

j11 is never any role in pakistan until we have f-16 role pakistan air force need more and more f-16.if we talk abut navy pakistan navy well never ever go for j11 they wiil never have fighter wing up to date.paf will use mirages for air sport to navy.PN will get there first full air sqwarden and that is JF17

Why do you say that? J-11 has no role in PAF/PN? J-11s are extensively used as Maritime MRCA in PLAN and their are plans to upgrade them to Su-33 latest technology by 2015. PN will be facing Super Hornets and Su-30MKI in Pakistan's south air cammand. the F-16 MLU will still be based in Punjab while only one squd of new F-16s will be based in Shabaz the closest F-16s to PN support but still 300-350KM far. JF-17 is already replacing Mirage-III/IV F-7 and Q-5 in PAF south air command. only by 2012 will their be any FC-20 squadron available to PAF and that too i dough will be placed for navy support in south any time soon untill we have enough in 2016 or so. We have Chinese K-8, JF-17 and dont think their will be any problem for us to induct J-11s when we have already operated twin engine F-6 in the past. i think upgraded J-11B with su-33 technology will be the best punch for the buck!